| XR PR 09:12 - Sep 11 with 33133 views | hampstead_blue |
Interesting resignation and thoughts from their PR talking head.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54103163
XR "peddle messages of doomsday gloom that alienate" and offer "little in the way of positive solutions", she added.
co-founder Roger Hallam's claim that science predicts six billion people will die this century due to climate change - a claim that he made to BBC's HARDtalk.
Ms Lights said: "It's a headline-grabbing assertion - but unfortunately, it's also not true,
peer-group tribal pressure to stick to an outdated mainstream green line".
"peddling the notion that the solution to the climate crisis was to turn back the clock to a simpler time".
I think I mentioned last week that XR wanted us to live in caves. That got me a lot of tap. Well, their former head of PR agrees. Tap away.
A few interesting clips from the BBC piece.
I've said before that I am not a fan of them and how they make their point. THis simply reinforces it.
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| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| XR PR on 13:35 - Sep 11 with 6800 views | Herbivore |
| XR PR on 13:28 - Sep 11 by Clapham_Junction |
Am I the only person who finds it odd that a supposed committed environmental activist would choose the Mail and the Telegraph - two papers well known for downplaying climate change - as the outlets to write for? I don't think any I know would touch them with a bargepole.
The organisation she now works for is run by someone funded by the nuclear industry (the organisation itself might be as well - they do not appear to disclose their funding). The pieces in both newspapers will certainly have pleased them.
Is this actually just some PR for her new bosses? |
Yeah, just read it. Basically she's got a new job and is getting some publicity for causes it supports. Not much to see here. Once again, Hammers shows little inclination to critically engage with sources that he sees as confirming his pre-existing views. |  |
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| XR PR on 13:41 - Sep 11 with 6797 views | hampstead_blue |
| XR PR on 11:30 - Sep 11 by Ryorry |
I'd say that in one way, Extinction Rebellion may have been very successful with you and people like your Porsche-loving friend.
You're heatedly discussing the topic, which spreads debate. Would you have been doing so if it had't been for XR? |
Really good point.
I'd prefer to debate the point - climate change- and not the shouty thing - XR.
The lady who left XR has a great point and that is that nuclear is the (near) future.
We need to embrace all sources and not just the radical edges.
However, as most gains are made on the margins, I'd also like to know what's going on at those margins. Nuclear fusion maybe.
What else is going on to provide us with clean, reliable, energy?
Waves are one thing we have lots of (someone mentioned that earlier)
Are there any small local projects which could work? | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| XR PR on 13:56 - Sep 11 with 6780 views | WeWereZombies |
| XR PR on 13:41 - Sep 11 by hampstead_blue |
Really good point.
I'd prefer to debate the point - climate change- and not the shouty thing - XR.
The lady who left XR has a great point and that is that nuclear is the (near) future.
We need to embrace all sources and not just the radical edges.
However, as most gains are made on the margins, I'd also like to know what's going on at those margins. Nuclear fusion maybe.
What else is going on to provide us with clean, reliable, energy?
Waves are one thing we have lots of (someone mentioned that earlier)
Are there any small local projects which could work? |
As someone once said to me when I was bluffing 'Excuse me, could you be a bit more vague?' |  |
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| XR PR on 14:26 - Sep 11 with 6758 views | Ryorry |
| XR PR on 12:51 - Sep 11 by WeWereZombies |
To be honest I have hardly even skimmed that article, it was just the most recent one that came up when I Googled. But I have met people working out of Stromness on projects like this and there are multiple challenges. The use of turbines that harvest the power from that ferocious tidal race between the Orkney mainland and mainland Scotland seems to have been settled upon because they are small enough not to present a barrier that can be breached by extreme conditions and also light enough not to need excessive infrastructure for tethering and also transmission networking.
As we are talking XR PR on this thread we cannot ignore the problems that tidal barriers raise (sic) for cetaceans and the adverse publicity that would arise if whales started to be stranded in even larger numbers than is happening at present. |
I'll have a read of that later, thanks.
When I lived on the Orkney Isles 1992-4, my OU tutor on the Technology foundation course was Dr. Jonathon Side, who worked at what was then called something like the Institute of Ocean Technology in Stromness* & who was involved in the R&D of such turbines - they had working models on the go even back then. Insufficient investment to take them further in those days, sadly.
*Not sure if it's still there, sounds like it from what you say but under a different name - is it what's now called the European Marine Energy Centre (which is all I could find when I googled). I think Dr Side moved to Aberdeen Uni & became a Prof - great guy - well anyone getting me through the Maths part of that course would have to be! |  |
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| XR PR on 14:50 - Sep 11 with 6737 views | Ryorry |
| XR PR on 13:28 - Sep 11 by Clapham_Junction |
Am I the only person who finds it odd that a supposed committed environmental activist would choose the Mail and the Telegraph - two papers well known for downplaying climate change - as the outlets to write for? I don't think any I know would touch them with a bargepole.
The organisation she now works for is run by someone funded by the nuclear industry (the organisation itself might be as well - they do not appear to disclose their funding). The pieces in both newspapers will certainly have pleased them.
Is this actually just some PR for her new bosses? |
Quite! | |
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| XR PR on 14:59 - Sep 11 with 6731 views | Ryorry |
| XR PR on 13:41 - Sep 11 by hampstead_blue |
Really good point.
I'd prefer to debate the point - climate change- and not the shouty thing - XR.
The lady who left XR has a great point and that is that nuclear is the (near) future.
We need to embrace all sources and not just the radical edges.
However, as most gains are made on the margins, I'd also like to know what's going on at those margins. Nuclear fusion maybe.
What else is going on to provide us with clean, reliable, energy?
Waves are one thing we have lots of (someone mentioned that earlier)
Are there any small local projects which could work? |
Wrote a long reply which went to the ether when I clicked 'send', as site went down for a couple of mins (or my connection did).
Basically, nuclear power may unfortunately have to be a 'bridging' source until suffiency via renewables is achieved.
There are many small local projects working and providing power - not just private wind turbines, but community hydro-electric projects set up by local individuals with engineering etc backgrounds, which both supply local houses with power and feed into the national grid. One I know also pays a decent enough annual dividend!
The Centre for Alternative Technology has been a grand resource for decades -
https://www.cat.org.uk/ | |
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| XR PR on 15:07 - Sep 11 with 6731 views | Half_Idiot |
| XR PR on 12:36 - Sep 11 by eireblue |
Would you say that fair and balanced arguments, that also make it clear on the overwhelming consensus on climate change science, and the subsequent issues that are faced by humans in the next 70 years or so, are covered appropriately in media outlets, such as say, newspapers?
Or maybe that lack of coverage, of even perfectly reasonable discussions, may need highlighting, in some way shape or form? |
Not at all, the media has always been and will continue to be the protagonists of denial, as they are controlled by those in power and those in power are the ones that are threatened by change.
There is a huge issue with the media controlling the opinions of the ignorant majority. |  | | |
| XR PR on 15:15 - Sep 11 with 6720 views | NewcyBlue |
| XR PR on 12:06 - Sep 11 by eireblue |
One of the topics that I like to discuss is veganism.
Many debates are started about it. People that have a very different views ask lots of questions, some silly, some very thoughtful. I answer every single one put to me. I was a bit short with one response once.
Sometimes on political debates there is a poster that likes to frame questions, I will explicitly tell them, they are doing that and will refuse their framing.
I have asked you countless questions on many topics.
If you want your opinions to be known, engage in debate.
That requires a certain degree of interaction.
"Pipe-down treacle".
Bully, cancel culture, or snow flakery?
Any cancelling of debate, and limits of posting, is done by Phil.
I'll continue to use my free speech as determined by the T&C's. |
You put me on to Tyne Chease and I will forever love you for that! |  |
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| XR PR on 15:47 - Sep 11 with 6701 views | Swansea_Blue |
| XR PR on 11:37 - Sep 11 by Ryorry |
Add *wave* power into that - well, various Govts. could have been doing so for at least a quarter of a century if they hadn't been personally invested in the oil and gas industries ... as the technology for wave-power generation has been around since the early 1990s.
The UK is surrounded by blinkin' waves & tides for cryin' out loud!  All those decades of letting it go unharnessed has me tearing my hair out  |
Yep. Bonkers isn't it - take Norway who had the intelligence to realise they had lots of water and lots of gradients and are now pretty much self-sufficient in hydropower.
(I wonder if you could create energy from people tearing their hair out - would do well in today's Britain!). |  |
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| XR PR on 15:54 - Sep 11 with 6696 views | solomon |
| XR PR on 11:05 - Sep 11 by WeWereZombies |
I was with you on your earlier post but this focus on electric cars when we are talking about the mass extinction of innumerable species (innumerable because zoologists are way off identifying how many species there are on Earth as yet) is not only missing the point but it is missing the board where the point is and throwing darts at the toilet sign... |
Do you think I attitudes on electric vehicles are not changing? |  | | |
| XR PR on 16:00 - Sep 11 with 6694 views | solomon |
| XR PR on 12:20 - Sep 11 by Half_Idiot |
Balanced arguments delivered in a polite and reasoned manner are more often than not ignored, they don't work. If they did there would be no need for any protests.
It been proven time and time again that for society to change and develop you need to repeatedly scream in peoples faces until they listen. |
A certain little Austrian man proved this to be correct 80us years ago. | | | |
| XR PR on 16:03 - Sep 11 with 6692 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| XR PR on 15:47 - Sep 11 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep. Bonkers isn't it - take Norway who had the intelligence to realise they had lots of water and lots of gradients and are now pretty much self-sufficient in hydropower.
(I wonder if you could create energy from people tearing their hair out - would do well in today's Britain!). |
I guess tearing hair out can be considered a renewable resource, unless you're Wayne Rooney, Austin Healey, Darren Gough or Shane Warne of course... |  |
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| XR PR on 16:31 - Sep 11 with 6672 views | Alan_Handsome |
| XR PR on 10:35 - Sep 11 by HARRY10 |
Of course you did.
XR are more an effect of the concern, that it's cause- as the more people become aware of the threat looming, the more they will re-act
It is when the economics of current worldwide behaviour tilt against continuing, that's is when change will happen,
As with smog, lead in petrol smoking in public, burning coal etc
However that does not mean such activity as XR should be shunned or stopped - and it is a pretty shallow (and probably false) understanding of climate change etc that you would turn away from your grasp of things because of one isolated.
"Mt grandad was fully in support of fighting the Nazis, but when he heard that some Home Guard had knocked a German parachutist about a bit, that was it. He stopped supporting the war effort there and then" - and that is a true story, honest |
If it was your mother or father who could have been saved, but instead died because of their protest presumably you'd leave the hospital head held high thinking "ah well, at least those good people are trying to effect change"...Would you b0ll0cks.
You're one of these people who have really high moral standards in theory......but in practice the people who like to think they would always do the right thing, don't.
Would you be willing to die for XR? If not, then why should other people? |  |
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| XR PR on 16:56 - Sep 11 with 6664 views | WeWereZombies |
| XR PR on 15:54 - Sep 11 by solomon |
Do you think I attitudes on electric vehicles are not changing? |
I think electric, or any other vehicle, is becoming less relevant now that there is some groundswell for working from home. Mass transit systems should be getting a greater take up once Covid-19 is controlled (or compartmentalised units are integrated into new systems / reverse engineered into existing buses and trains.)
The point I was making is that species loss has been going on for quite some time but has ramped up as the human population has increased and left less room for flora and fauna. This is now critical, or has already caused extinction, for many species - where a population has reduced to a level that is unsustainable regarding enough of a spread to survive bad winters, droughts, hunting and so on then the writing is on the wall for it. Climate change has a bearing on some of these circumstances but not all of the efforts to reduce our impact on the climate will help the habitat loss that is the main cause of species loss.
Even for what is needed to help the human race survive climate change I am afraid relying on electric cars only is a bit like putting a sticking plaster on an axe wound. | |
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| XR PR on 17:00 - Sep 11 with 6659 views | Herbivore |
Have you sampled I Am Nut OK cheeses? Blooming lovely. | |
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| XR PR on 17:01 - Sep 11 with 6657 views | eireblue |
| XR PR on 17:00 - Sep 11 by Herbivore |
Have you sampled I Am Nut OK cheeses? Blooming lovely. |
No, but I will now. |  | | |
| XR PR on 17:10 - Sep 11 with 6648 views | Ryorry |
| XR PR on 17:00 - Sep 11 by Herbivore |
Have you sampled I Am Nut OK cheeses? Blooming lovely. |
The Oh Grate looks good & no allergens for me, cheers for that 👠| |
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| XR PR on 17:15 - Sep 11 with 6640 views | Ryorry |
| XR PR on 15:47 - Sep 11 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep. Bonkers isn't it - take Norway who had the intelligence to realise they had lots of water and lots of gradients and are now pretty much self-sufficient in hydropower.
(I wonder if you could create energy from people tearing their hair out - would do well in today's Britain!). |
I've still - just about - got a Brian May mullet, so May-be ...
B'dum Tish :) | |
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| XR PR on 17:17 - Sep 11 with 6638 views | Herbivore |
| XR PR on 17:01 - Sep 11 by eireblue |
No, but I will now. |
The Miner Threat is a particular favourite. If you like truffle, the Nero Minded is also delicious. | |
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| XR PR on 17:18 - Sep 11 with 6633 views | J2BLUE |
| XR PR on 15:15 - Sep 11 by NewcyBlue |
You put me on to Tyne Chease and I will forever love you for that! |
In a similar vein, I will never forgive Chris Swailes for recommending hemp milk. |  |
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| XR PR on 17:21 - Sep 11 with 6626 views | Ryorry |
| XR PR on 17:18 - Sep 11 by J2BLUE |
In a similar vein, I will never forgive Chris Swailes for recommending hemp milk. |
Oh yes, I'll add my rotten eggs to yours if we ever get him in the stocks on that one - disgusting stuff whatever the brand  . | |
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| XR PR on 17:23 - Sep 11 with 6622 views | J2BLUE |
| XR PR on 17:21 - Sep 11 by Ryorry |
Oh yes, I'll add my rotten eggs to yours if we ever get him in the stocks on that one - disgusting stuff whatever the brand . |
Oat milk is vastly superior | |
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| XR PR on 17:26 - Sep 11 with 6618 views | Herbivore |
| XR PR on 17:23 - Sep 11 by J2BLUE |
Oat milk is vastly superior |
Oat milk is the closest to dairy milk imo, it has a bit of natural creaminess to it. | |
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