| XR PR 09:12 - Sep 11 with 33147 views | hampstead_blue |
Interesting resignation and thoughts from their PR talking head.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54103163
XR "peddle messages of doomsday gloom that alienate" and offer "little in the way of positive solutions", she added.
co-founder Roger Hallam's claim that science predicts six billion people will die this century due to climate change - a claim that he made to BBC's HARDtalk.
Ms Lights said: "It's a headline-grabbing assertion - but unfortunately, it's also not true,
peer-group tribal pressure to stick to an outdated mainstream green line".
"peddling the notion that the solution to the climate crisis was to turn back the clock to a simpler time".
I think I mentioned last week that XR wanted us to live in caves. That got me a lot of tap. Well, their former head of PR agrees. Tap away.
A few interesting clips from the BBC piece.
I've said before that I am not a fan of them and how they make their point. THis simply reinforces it.
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| XR PR on 12:55 - Sep 12 with 3162 views | NewcyBlue |
| XR PR on 12:49 - Sep 12 by eireblue |
I would imagine going back to sea after being on plant based diet would be tough.
But you are the captain, right,
“ahoy my new ship mates, who has ever tried tofu in huel breadcrumbs, oh you will...”
But, good luck, hope you succeed on land. [Post edited 12 Sep 2020 12:50]
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Not the old man yet, no. Getting a cook who can actually make vegan food is very rare on board. Hence why I have never met a vegan seafarer in our company. I’ve met one person who said he was a vegetarian, but he ate chicken breast. I think what he meant was “I’m really fussy so say I am a vegetarian”
Tofu is one thing that just is a no for me. The texture and look of it is just all wrong.
I worry about what sort of world I am bringing my children into. |  |
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| XR PR on 13:00 - Sep 12 with 3147 views | Herbivore |
| XR PR on 12:55 - Sep 12 by NewcyBlue |
Not the old man yet, no. Getting a cook who can actually make vegan food is very rare on board. Hence why I have never met a vegan seafarer in our company. I’ve met one person who said he was a vegetarian, but he ate chicken breast. I think what he meant was “I’m really fussy so say I am a vegetarian”
Tofu is one thing that just is a no for me. The texture and look of it is just all wrong.
I worry about what sort of world I am bringing my children into. |
You're trying to make it a better one mate, and that's all that any of us can try to do. |  |
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| XR PR on 13:00 - Sep 12 with 3143 views | eastangliaisblue |
| XR PR on 12:41 - Sep 12 by Herbivore |
There is a certain irony in someone who still consumes dairy (and meat possibly) preaching to vegans about consuming avocado because avocado has a relatively high carbon footprint whilst simultaneously claiming it's THEM who are the hypocrites. [Post edited 12 Sep 2020 12:43]
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I'm not the one on my high horse about people drinking milk. Yet not so happy to point out about eating exotic foods that can't be grown here, that have a ripple effect of the people (always the poorer people) that live in these places that can, on top of the water use and CO2 footprint because they're not an animal. It's not just cattle farming that has implications on the environment.
FWIW I grow what veg I can, consume far less meat than I used too and try my best to eat in season and foods that are from this country. |  | | |
| XR PR on 13:01 - Sep 12 with 3143 views | hampstead_blue |
| XR PR on 11:03 - Sep 12 by Herbivore |
It's not OTT at all. Health and welfare guidelines in the UK are better than some other countries but they don't prevent you from keeping female cows constantly lactating and attached to pumps extracting their milk for hours a day.
We're not going to agree on the killing animals part, it doesn't sit well with me but clearly you don't have an issue with it. Raising animals, usually in poor conditions, to slaughter them is not something I'm okay with but I understand other people don't seem to have a problem with it.
I see you've conveniently ignored the environmental side of it. The impact of dairy on the environment is huge, but you don't strike me as someone that much cares about that either, not if it means having to make any lifestyle changes yourself. |
Raising animals, usually in poor conditions,
We have great standards in this country for animal welfare. Lots of hard working people invest heavily in the welfare of animals in the food chain.
I think glib, rude, throw away comments like that do no good to the debate.
Customers, through higher prices, invest in said higher welfare as well.
At home we buy the best quality and welfare standards we can afford. That's a big chunk of good.
Don't get all pios and narky just because some choose to eat meat and drink cows milk.
Live and let live.... | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| XR PR on 13:12 - Sep 12 with 3133 views | eireblue |
| XR PR on 13:01 - Sep 12 by hampstead_blue |
Raising animals, usually in poor conditions,
We have great standards in this country for animal welfare. Lots of hard working people invest heavily in the welfare of animals in the food chain.
I think glib, rude, throw away comments like that do no good to the debate.
Customers, through higher prices, invest in said higher welfare as well.
At home we buy the best quality and welfare standards we can afford. That's a big chunk of good.
Don't get all pios and narky just because some choose to eat meat and drink cows milk.
Live and let live.... |
Again, avoided the environmental issues, on a thread started about environmental issues.
As an aside, taking a mammalian child away from a mother, is never in the best interests of the mother or child, especially when the child is killed. It is a traumatic event for the mother and child.
As a fan of science, and evolution you will of course realise that.
But of course, you will ignore that as well as the arguments on reducing personal carbon footprint, even though you mentioned something about marginal gains. |  | | |
| XR PR on 13:16 - Sep 12 with 3129 views | J2BLUE |
| XR PR on 13:00 - Sep 12 by eastangliaisblue |
I'm not the one on my high horse about people drinking milk. Yet not so happy to point out about eating exotic foods that can't be grown here, that have a ripple effect of the people (always the poorer people) that live in these places that can, on top of the water use and CO2 footprint because they're not an animal. It's not just cattle farming that has implications on the environment.
FWIW I grow what veg I can, consume far less meat than I used too and try my best to eat in season and foods that are from this country. |
I find it odd you keep mentioning avocados. I didn't have to buy an avocado before they'd let me buy some oat milk. You seem to think that vegans don't care about carbon/water use etc as long as they aren't eating animal products. It's completely untrue. Plenty of vegans limit things like avocados/almonds for environmental reasons. I'm >95% plant based and I can't remember the last time I bought an avocado or almonds. I've even switched from my favourite apples because they are flown in from New Zealand. |  |
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| XR PR on 13:20 - Sep 12 with 3121 views | J2BLUE |
| XR PR on 13:01 - Sep 12 by hampstead_blue |
Raising animals, usually in poor conditions,
We have great standards in this country for animal welfare. Lots of hard working people invest heavily in the welfare of animals in the food chain.
I think glib, rude, throw away comments like that do no good to the debate.
Customers, through higher prices, invest in said higher welfare as well.
At home we buy the best quality and welfare standards we can afford. That's a big chunk of good.
Don't get all pios and narky just because some choose to eat meat and drink cows milk.
Live and let live.... |
At home we buy the best quality and welfare standards we can afford.
I'd be interested in hearing more about this. Not to jump on you but because I put a lot of effort into researching this stuff about a year ago. The basic standards aren't great at all. You really do get what you pay for in regards to animal welfare. | |
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| XR PR on 13:21 - Sep 12 with 3118 views | eireblue |
| XR PR on 13:12 - Sep 12 by eireblue |
Again, avoided the environmental issues, on a thread started about environmental issues.
As an aside, taking a mammalian child away from a mother, is never in the best interests of the mother or child, especially when the child is killed. It is a traumatic event for the mother and child.
As a fan of science, and evolution you will of course realise that.
But of course, you will ignore that as well as the arguments on reducing personal carbon footprint, even though you mentioned something about marginal gains. |
A downvote for pointing out the environmental arguments have been missed or making a reference to evolutionary science? | | | |
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| XR PR on 13:24 - Sep 12 with 3110 views | Herbivore |
| XR PR on 13:01 - Sep 12 by hampstead_blue |
Raising animals, usually in poor conditions,
We have great standards in this country for animal welfare. Lots of hard working people invest heavily in the welfare of animals in the food chain.
I think glib, rude, throw away comments like that do no good to the debate.
Customers, through higher prices, invest in said higher welfare as well.
At home we buy the best quality and welfare standards we can afford. That's a big chunk of good.
Don't get all pios and narky just because some choose to eat meat and drink cows milk.
Live and let live.... |
Have you ever seen a factory farm that produces animal products? They are not pleasant places for the animals to live. | |
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| XR PR on 13:57 - Sep 12 with 3093 views | eastangliaisblue |
| XR PR on 13:16 - Sep 12 by J2BLUE |
I find it odd you keep mentioning avocados. I didn't have to buy an avocado before they'd let me buy some oat milk. You seem to think that vegans don't care about carbon/water use etc as long as they aren't eating animal products. It's completely untrue. Plenty of vegans limit things like avocados/almonds for environmental reasons. I'm >95% plant based and I can't remember the last time I bought an avocado or almonds. I've even switched from my favourite apples because they are flown in from New Zealand. |
That's not what I'm saying though is it and once again for the last time I was using Avacados as an example. I was simply highlighting the irony of this thread and people in general around this subject. | | | |
| XR PR on 14:11 - Sep 12 with 3084 views | monytowbray |
| XR PR on 11:15 - Sep 12 by eastangliaisblue |
Call it a dig if it's make you happy, it doesn't bother me either way.
I am yet to visit a vegan shop/cafe that doesn't have exotic products like Avacado on the menu. (I'm using Avacado as an example.) Now I would say most people who are conscientous of what they eat (I like to think I am to a degree) e.g. Being vegetarian/vegan or not drinking dairy milk etc, because of where it comes from, the carbon footprint of it etc are happy to criticise people who eat/drink the above. At the same time aren't seeing the issue with eating such items as Avacados that have a massive carbon footprint. |
I’m a vegan who thinks avocados are bland and boring.
BUT...
I could eat avocados for days and still have a lower carbon footprint than a meat eater of milk drinker.
When you go vegan feel free to lecture other vegans about the challenges veganism also faces. We already do it plenty enough in our own circles (which comes with the territory).
Until then, you just sound like a big ol’ bag of denial, whatteraboutery and excuses. |  |
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| XR PR on 14:13 - Sep 12 with 3083 views | monytowbray |
| XR PR on 12:20 - Sep 12 by eastangliaisblue |
Research it yourself you're a grown man aren't you?
As for your last paragraph it's quite laughable, you keep up with that imagination. I was using Avacados as an example of the hypocrisy like I've already said. |
Ah, you are one of those “facts don’t matter” people, good to know. | |
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| XR PR on 14:16 - Sep 12 with 3081 views | monytowbray |
| XR PR on 13:01 - Sep 12 by hampstead_blue |
Raising animals, usually in poor conditions,
We have great standards in this country for animal welfare. Lots of hard working people invest heavily in the welfare of animals in the food chain.
I think glib, rude, throw away comments like that do no good to the debate.
Customers, through higher prices, invest in said higher welfare as well.
At home we buy the best quality and welfare standards we can afford. That's a big chunk of good.
Don't get all pios and narky just because some choose to eat meat and drink cows milk.
Live and let live.... |
“I’ve only murdered a couple of people in cold blood and I’ve never had sex with the corpses, Jeffrey Dahmer was worse, I don’t see the issue.”
The “live and let live” is my favourite dismissive vegan troupe, as ironically you aren’t letting things “live” at all, you are needlessly killing things for food at the detriment of the planet FFS. [Post edited 12 Sep 2020 14:18]
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| XR PR on 14:16 - Sep 12 with 3077 views | Ryorry |
| XR PR on 13:57 - Sep 12 by eastangliaisblue |
That's not what I'm saying though is it and once again for the last time I was using Avacados as an example. I was simply highlighting the irony of this thread and people in general around this subject. |
I know this is a generalisation but from what I've seen on here, other social media and real-life groups I'm part of (Greens, anti-fracking etc) - most vegans are also very conscious of, and involved in, environmental issues generally - such concerns aren't mutully exclusive, indeed they're inextricably bound up with each other (as Monytobray has pointed out in either this or another thread I think). |  |
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| XR PR on 14:22 - Sep 12 with 3078 views | hampstead_blue |
| XR PR on 14:16 - Sep 12 by monytowbray |
“I’ve only murdered a couple of people in cold blood and I’ve never had sex with the corpses, Jeffrey Dahmer was worse, I don’t see the issue.”
The “live and let live” is my favourite dismissive vegan troupe, as ironically you aren’t letting things “live” at all, you are needlessly killing things for food at the detriment of the planet FFS. [Post edited 12 Sep 2020 14:18]
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| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| XR PR on 14:25 - Sep 12 with 3073 views | Herbivore |
| XR PR on 13:57 - Sep 12 by eastangliaisblue |
That's not what I'm saying though is it and once again for the last time I was using Avacados as an example. I was simply highlighting the irony of this thread and people in general around this subject. |
But you haven't managed to do that have you? Because you've attacked those of us who use plant milk as 'hypocrites' because you assume we eat loads of avocado. It's bizarre to be honest but you keep doubling down, mate. | |
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| XR PR on 14:25 - Sep 12 with 3070 views | monytowbray |
| XR PR on 14:22 - Sep 12 by hampstead_blue |
Relax you're going to do yourself a mischief. |
I don’t care. I’m right, you’re wrong. | |
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| XR PR on 14:27 - Sep 12 with 3071 views | NewcyBlue |
| XR PR on 13:57 - Sep 12 by eastangliaisblue |
That's not what I'm saying though is it and once again for the last time I was using Avacados as an example. I was simply highlighting the irony of this thread and people in general around this subject. |
Something is better than nothing. | |
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| XR PR on 14:30 - Sep 12 with 3063 views | Herbivore |
| XR PR on 14:27 - Sep 12 by NewcyBlue |
Something is better than nothing. |
Precisely. And going vegan is the biggest single thing you can do diet wise to reduced your environmental impact, even if you do have the occasional avocado. This chap's argument is all over the shop. | |
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| XR PR on 14:35 - Sep 12 with 3052 views | NewcyBlue |
| XR PR on 14:30 - Sep 12 by Herbivore |
Precisely. And going vegan is the biggest single thing you can do diet wise to reduced your environmental impact, even if you do have the occasional avocado. This chap's argument is all over the shop. |
Hence why I will call it plant based diet. I am sure I will still have cheese and meat every now and again. But I want to be at a better place with my consumption of animal based products. | |
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| XR PR on 14:38 - Sep 12 with 3043 views | monytowbray |
| XR PR on 14:35 - Sep 12 by NewcyBlue |
Hence why I will call it plant based diet. I am sure I will still have cheese and meat every now and again. But I want to be at a better place with my consumption of animal based products. |
That you will.
I remember the pelters I got 3-4 years ago defending veganism on here.
Never forget, give it time and I’m usually right ;) | |
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| XR PR on 14:45 - Sep 12 with 3034 views | J2BLUE |
| XR PR on 13:57 - Sep 12 by eastangliaisblue |
That's not what I'm saying though is it and once again for the last time I was using Avacados as an example. I was simply highlighting the irony of this thread and people in general around this subject. |
I don't think you know what you're saying. As you've been told several times it's only ironic if people are eating massive amounts of avocado.
Whatever helps you sleep though. | |
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| XR PR on 14:49 - Sep 12 with 3025 views | J2BLUE |
| XR PR on 14:35 - Sep 12 by NewcyBlue |
Hence why I will call it plant based diet. I am sure I will still have cheese and meat every now and again. But I want to be at a better place with my consumption of animal based products. |
Agree. It's unlikely ethical vegans will agree but if they encouraged people to go 90% plant based it would be so much better IMO. 14000 calories a week for the average woman, that's 1400 calories of animal products per week. It's not a lot compared to what most people eat now but at the same time it offers a massive amount of flexibility.
Go 90% plant based and still have a 'normal' meal with your family each week, that cheese sandwich you wanted and a couple of lattes sounds far easier than go vegan and never eat another animal product as long as you live. Especially as the #1 reason vegans abandon veganism is pressure from partner or family. It puts a traditional Christmas dinner, family meals, eating out and indulging the odd craving back on the menu. | |
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| XR PR on 14:50 - Sep 12 with 3023 views | NewcyBlue |
| XR PR on 14:38 - Sep 12 by monytowbray |
That you will.
I remember the pelters I got 3-4 years ago defending veganism on here.
Never forget, give it time and I’m usually right ;) |
You got pelters for your approach on here about it all.
It’s always been your approach. I think we agree a lot more than we realise, but we have different styles of communication, which certainly makes it seem that we disagree on some things.
I reckon if you were less aggressive you might find more people responding to you.
There have been some very interesting vegan conversations on here. It must be utterly exhausting being a vegan and following a vegan lifestyle as much as possible. To those who put the work in to do that, I have a massive amount of respect. Those who follow a vegan diet, call themselves vegan, but limit it to their diet, they’re not really vegans. They’re following a plant based diet.
My aim for a mainly plant based diet is purely for environmental reasons. It’s where I can have the most impact. | |
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| XR PR on 14:51 - Sep 12 with 3021 views | jeera |
| XR PR on 14:45 - Sep 12 by J2BLUE |
I don't think you know what you're saying. As you've been told several times it's only ironic if people are eating massive amounts of avocado.
Whatever helps you sleep though. |
I like avocado, though I am actually conscientious about not buying them too often because of the same reasons you avoid apples from far away places.
I can't say they help me sleep though.
Maybe a few Thatchers ciders, (I have to look away from the name when purchasing), for that. |  |
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