| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week 15:34 - Sep 14 with 5920 views | tractordownsouth |
if they decide to reject his internal markets bill and implement the Withdrawal Agreement in its' original form.
The same Boris Johnson that last year won an election campaign on his promise to implement the Withdrawal Agreement and made every Tory candidate sign up to do the same
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 17:32 - Sep 14 with 1930 views | vapour_trail |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 17:14 - Sep 14 by gordon |
Ed Milliband is humiliating Johnson here by the way. |
It isn’t going to matter how the arguments run at the despatch box though. Johnson isn’t very good at this, it’s why he avoids cross examination at all costs.
Fact is though, he has the numbers. The bill will be fine. |  |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 17:35 - Sep 14 with 1926 views | tractordownsouth |
Watching Bill Cash talk and knowing he is no longer a fringe loon, but someone with views that are now mainstream within the governing party, is quite depressing | |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 17:44 - Sep 14 with 1914 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Boris stormed off at the first opportunity.
If Starmer is still away for Wednesday PMQs. Give it to Miliband, let him put the sword in. |  |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 17:59 - Sep 14 with 1885 views | BlueBadger |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 16:23 - Sep 14 by pointofblue |
Yes, sorry, being thick.
It is going to turn into the Government of Yes People, though. |
'Turn into'? |  |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 18:00 - Sep 14 with 1884 views | HARRY10 |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 17:32 - Sep 14 by vapour_trail |
It isn’t going to matter how the arguments run at the despatch box though. Johnson isn’t very good at this, it’s why he avoids cross examination at all costs.
Fact is though, he has the numbers. The bill will be fine. |
The numbers are, those MPs who will have this tagged to them throughout their career.
Whatever pontification they may spout, their backing of breaking a treaty will be there to use against them.
If they have the whip taken away from them this early into a new Parliament it is a pretty pointless, and an almost self defeating act by Johnson |  | | |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 18:03 - Sep 14 with 1881 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 17:13 - Sep 14 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Ed Miliband having a blinder. Chaos with Ed Miliband looks pretty good atm. Impressive at the dispatch box as ever |
Chaos with Ed Miliband was always the best option. The election result in 2015 looks more awful with every passing year (and it was pretty bad to start with). |  | | |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 21:23 - Sep 14 with 1830 views | tractordownsouth |
It's set to pass by 100 votes. Almost all of the 365 Tory MPs are willing to vote against the main pledge that got them elected. Now they're blaming remainers for a deal which they sold the public a year ago, telling them it was brilliant.
They think we're thick - they hold us in so much contempt. I'll be doing absolutely everything in my power to get rid of as many of these lying charlatans as possible in 2024. | |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 21:49 - Sep 14 with 1791 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 21:23 - Sep 14 by tractordownsouth |
It's set to pass by 100 votes. Almost all of the 365 Tory MPs are willing to vote against the main pledge that got them elected. Now they're blaming remainers for a deal which they sold the public a year ago, telling them it was brilliant.
They think we're thick - they hold us in so much contempt. I'll be doing absolutely everything in my power to get rid of as many of these lying charlatans as possible in 2024. |
Trouble is, a lot of us are thick (or maybe naive/disintrested may be fairer).
I've been half following the Dunt live twittering - mildly amusing given how god awful most of it sounds. @IanDunt |  |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 21:54 - Sep 14 with 1779 views | m14_blue |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 21:23 - Sep 14 by tractordownsouth |
It's set to pass by 100 votes. Almost all of the 365 Tory MPs are willing to vote against the main pledge that got them elected. Now they're blaming remainers for a deal which they sold the public a year ago, telling them it was brilliant.
They think we're thick - they hold us in so much contempt. I'll be doing absolutely everything in my power to get rid of as many of these lying charlatans as possible in 2024. |
They’re not wrong though are they?
By no means everyone that voted Tory or for Brexit is thick but anyone that continues to support this rabble is at the very, very best extremely gullible and easily manipulated. They’re absolutely taking the p1ss out of everyone that voted for them and some are still happy to wave them through. | | | |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 21:57 - Sep 14 with 1770 views | tractordownsouth |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 21:49 - Sep 14 by Swansea_Blue |
Trouble is, a lot of us are thick (or maybe naive/disintrested may be fairer).
I've been half following the Dunt live twittering - mildly amusing given how god awful most of it sounds. @IanDunt |
There are some gems
I still can't quite get my head around the fact they're claiming the deal they won a GE on is terrible, yet it's someone else's fault that the government themselves signed up to it. | |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 22:07 - Sep 14 with 1749 views | jaykay |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 21:23 - Sep 14 by tractordownsouth |
It's set to pass by 100 votes. Almost all of the 365 Tory MPs are willing to vote against the main pledge that got them elected. Now they're blaming remainers for a deal which they sold the public a year ago, telling them it was brilliant.
They think we're thick - they hold us in so much contempt. I'll be doing absolutely everything in my power to get rid of as many of these lying charlatans as possible in 2024. |
tories always looking for someone to blame.
hillsborough = the fans
orgreave = the miners
grenfell tower = the firemen
the world financial crisis = the labour party
covid = old peoples homes |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 23:03 - Sep 14 with 1699 views | Ryorry |
So most of the spineless ****s went along with him 
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 23:23 - Sep 14 with 1680 views | Herbivore |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 23:03 - Sep 14 by Ryorry |
So most of the spineless ****s went along with him
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365 Tory MPs, just two backbones. Country is screwed. |  |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 23:55 - Sep 14 with 1648 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 21:23 - Sep 14 by tractordownsouth |
It's set to pass by 100 votes. Almost all of the 365 Tory MPs are willing to vote against the main pledge that got them elected. Now they're blaming remainers for a deal which they sold the public a year ago, telling them it was brilliant.
They think we're thick - they hold us in so much contempt. I'll be doing absolutely everything in my power to get rid of as many of these lying charlatans as possible in 2024. |
Exactly - like all good right wing populists they hold the people who they conned into getting them elected in complete contempt. It's sickening to watch. People need to wake up to this fascism and soon. Cummins must have some kind of disorder whereby his main end is to create utter chaos, break all rules and acr with no integrity whatsoever |  | | |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 01:27 - Sep 15 with 1625 views | HARRY10 |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 23:23 - Sep 14 by Herbivore |
365 Tory MPs, just two backbones. Country is screwed. |
Not necessarily - quite often at this stage in a Bill it is voted through so as to get to the third reading.
This is what the shtehawk Chope was bleating about with the 'upskirt bill'knowing that the house has the right to move to the next stage, without any loss of democratic accountability.
My personal thought is that this has never been anything more than a desperate last ditch attempt to bluff the EU into thinking that the UK would go ahead with a no deal if the EU won't back down from what was already agreed, and also tear up a few of its own rules at the same time.
In that light I would expect the government to amend this Bill themselves so as to avoid being defeated by opposition amendments.
however, the real concern still remains - that either Johnson was so incompetent that he did not understand what he was claiming during the election, or that he did and so won the election on the back of a bare faced lie
Knave or joker ?
Either one makes him not fit forpublic office at any level. | | | |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 07:42 - Sep 15 with 1563 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 21:49 - Sep 14 by Swansea_Blue |
Trouble is, a lot of us are thick (or maybe naive/disintrested may be fairer).
I've been half following the Dunt live twittering - mildly amusing given how god awful most of it sounds. @IanDunt |
We are where we are due, at the last election, to a lack of a credible alternative.
It is probable the next government will also be a conservative one albeit with a slim majority. The departed Labour hierarchy has a lot to answer for. I considered saying Labour leadership but it just didn’t seem appropriate.
Blaming those who voted Tory is likely to be counter productive when it really matters. Concentrate, as Starmer and Co are, on building a model the electorate can trust. |  |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 08:28 - Sep 15 with 1540 views | pointofblue |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 23:23 - Sep 14 by Herbivore |
365 Tory MPs, just two backbones. Country is screwed. |
List of Conservatives no’s:
Sir Roger Gale
Andrew Percy
List of Conservative abstainees:
Stuart Andrew
Crispin Blunt
Karen Bradley
Sir Graham Brady
Rahman Chrishti
Sir Christopher Hope
Geoffrey Cox
Jackie Doyle-Price
Tobias Ellwood
Liam Fox
George Freeman
Richard Graham
Stephen Hammond
Sir Oliver Heald
James Heappey
Damian Hinds
Simon Hoare
Sajid Javid
Sir Edward Leigh
Jack Lopresti
Tim Loughton
Theresa May
Sir Robert Neill
Owen Paterson
Julian Smith
Dr Ben Spencer
John Stevenson
Sir Gary Streetcar
Sir Charles Walker
Jeremy Wright
30 in total though some may have simply been absent rather than against the bill - Theresa May is both. Caroline Nokes voted for it.
https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/836#ayes | |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 08:39 - Sep 15 with 1531 views | Herbivore |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 08:28 - Sep 15 by pointofblue |
List of Conservatives no’s:
Sir Roger Gale
Andrew Percy
List of Conservative abstainees:
Stuart Andrew
Crispin Blunt
Karen Bradley
Sir Graham Brady
Rahman Chrishti
Sir Christopher Hope
Geoffrey Cox
Jackie Doyle-Price
Tobias Ellwood
Liam Fox
George Freeman
Richard Graham
Stephen Hammond
Sir Oliver Heald
James Heappey
Damian Hinds
Simon Hoare
Sajid Javid
Sir Edward Leigh
Jack Lopresti
Tim Loughton
Theresa May
Sir Robert Neill
Owen Paterson
Julian Smith
Dr Ben Spencer
John Stevenson
Sir Gary Streetcar
Sir Charles Walker
Jeremy Wright
30 in total though some may have simply been absent rather than against the bill - Theresa May is both. Caroline Nokes voted for it.
https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/836#ayes |
Abstaining is not opposing, so I stand by it only being two backbones. | |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 08:45 - Sep 15 with 1520 views | tractordownsouth |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 08:39 - Sep 15 by Herbivore |
Abstaining is not opposing, so I stand by it only being two backbones. |
Apparently a few who voted for it did so so that they could back Bob Neill's amendment. Still think it'll go through because of Johnson's yes men/women | |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 08:55 - Sep 15 with 1510 views | Herbivore |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 08:45 - Sep 15 by tractordownsouth |
Apparently a few who voted for it did so so that they could back Bob Neill's amendment. Still think it'll go through because of Johnson's yes men/women |
We'll see. Part of me thinks this whole bill might just be another dead cat on the table to distract people from the testing shambles and rapidly rising cases. It gets everyone looking away from the disaster and helps to reignite the culture war that Johnson knows is his only chance of maintaining any kind of support. | |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 08:59 - Sep 15 with 1501 views | pointofblue |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 08:55 - Sep 15 by Herbivore |
We'll see. Part of me thinks this whole bill might just be another dead cat on the table to distract people from the testing shambles and rapidly rising cases. It gets everyone looking away from the disaster and helps to reignite the culture war that Johnson knows is his only chance of maintaining any kind of support. |
The thing is, if that is the case, what is their way out from it? They care more about losing face than doing what’s right. | |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 09:02 - Sep 15 with 1498 views | Herbivore |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 08:59 - Sep 15 by pointofblue |
The thing is, if that is the case, what is their way out from it? They care more about losing face than doing what’s right. |
The bill will get torn to shreds in the Lords and may end up getting amended to water down its power. They will claim it's remainers thwarting them. They further the culture war and keep people distracted from their incompetent handling of Covid for a while longer. This government doesn't think much beyond the next news cycle. | |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 09:07 - Sep 15 with 1487 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 07:42 - Sep 15 by Pinewoodblue |
We are where we are due, at the last election, to a lack of a credible alternative.
It is probable the next government will also be a conservative one albeit with a slim majority. The departed Labour hierarchy has a lot to answer for. I considered saying Labour leadership but it just didn’t seem appropriate.
Blaming those who voted Tory is likely to be counter productive when it really matters. Concentrate, as Starmer and Co are, on building a model the electorate can trust. |
I don't know. There's a danger many people bought (again) into the rhetoric that Labour would have ruined the country. There's little to no evidence that they would have. And there's plenty of evidence that this government is.
That's not spoken from a position of supporting Corbyn and his faction either. I understand there were many things about Corbyn and some of the people in his inner circle that people found distasteful. I wasn't a fan, but I also didn't buy into the propaganda that he was the devil incarnate. But those same distasteful traits are reflected back in the mirror from the right side of this Tory Government. This government isn't credible, proven. Corbyns may or may not have been. | |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 09:10 - Sep 15 with 1482 views | Herbivore |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 09:07 - Sep 15 by Swansea_Blue |
I don't know. There's a danger many people bought (again) into the rhetoric that Labour would have ruined the country. There's little to no evidence that they would have. And there's plenty of evidence that this government is.
That's not spoken from a position of supporting Corbyn and his faction either. I understand there were many things about Corbyn and some of the people in his inner circle that people found distasteful. I wasn't a fan, but I also didn't buy into the propaganda that he was the devil incarnate. But those same distasteful traits are reflected back in the mirror from the right side of this Tory Government. This government isn't credible, proven. Corbyns may or may not have been. |
It makes people feel better to go with the "yeah but Corbyn" line, it means they don't have to blame the people that actually voted for this utter shambles. | |
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| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 09:21 - Sep 15 with 1469 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Boris Johnson may remove the whip from dissenting Tory MPs this week on 09:07 - Sep 15 by Swansea_Blue |
I don't know. There's a danger many people bought (again) into the rhetoric that Labour would have ruined the country. There's little to no evidence that they would have. And there's plenty of evidence that this government is.
That's not spoken from a position of supporting Corbyn and his faction either. I understand there were many things about Corbyn and some of the people in his inner circle that people found distasteful. I wasn't a fan, but I also didn't buy into the propaganda that he was the devil incarnate. But those same distasteful traits are reflected back in the mirror from the right side of this Tory Government. This government isn't credible, proven. Corbyns may or may not have been. |
The thing to do is to get involved directly and help be prepared for the next opportunity which presumably is May next year.
Far better than, as some do, going on an social media campaign. Change will not happen just by belittling people on here. This isn’t aimed at you, nor any one person in particular. Joe had the right idea, get involved . Wonder if he followed that through. | |
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