| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? 11:25 - Nov 15 with 13680 views | Dubtractor |
Was out on my bike yesterday and the roads were really busy, everyone is just carrying on as if nothing has changed.
Loads of non essential businesses just finding ways to get round the rules - gyms classing themselves as mental health support. Other non essential businesses just being allowed to be open because they sell some food products or tools.
If schools get a case they are largely being told to carry on regardless - this has happened at Mrs Dub's school under the advice of PHE.
A combination of woolly government advice, coupled with the general public just not giving a toss, means that this 4 week period will probably achieve next to nothing. |  |
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 20:51 - Nov 15 with 3497 views | vapour_trail |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 15:12 - Nov 15 by ronnyd |
I'm 75, so in the higher vulnerable group. My biggest concern with the vaccine is the possibility of side effects. Some of which may take months/years to manifest themselves. As you get older you get more health issues anyway so would you want more. I reiterate, i'm not against vaccination per se. |
That’s fair dos, there are reasonable thought processes at play.
It’s the crayon-brigade banging on about covid being a lie that are the problem. I’m willing to bet that every last one of them voted for brexit as well. |  |
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 21:09 - Nov 15 with 3467 views | Trequartista |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 16:52 - Nov 15 by J2BLUE |
Define failed? This is about not overwhelming the NHS. I don't see how it can fail. Either the NHS won't be overwhelmed or it will be but not as badly as it would have been. This is not a black and white issue.
What happens after lockdown? We can only make predictions. I predict two weeks of pretty much the same thing under a different name with the carrot of a fortnight with decreased restrictions for Christmas. Then in January pretty much back to the current restrictions with the carrot of vaccinating as fast as possible. |
I think 'failed' would be if the 'R' rate stops dropping, as it was dropping in the 2 weeks before lockdown. (1.5-1.3 to 1.4-1.2, and then 1.4-1.2 to 1.3-1.1)
I think it did drop again last week to (1.2 - 1.0) so if it falls to (1.1 - 0.9) or less by December 2, it would have succeeded and we will return to local tiers, if not then it will have failed as it will have made no difference to, or slowed the decreasing rate we had before lockdown. [Post edited 15 Nov 2020 21:12]
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 21:51 - Nov 15 with 3419 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 12:08 - Nov 15 by J2BLUE |
According to the symptom tracker app which has consistently been proven right once official data comes out the R rate is now below one.
The lockdown is a very loose lockdown but i'm not sure we should be worrying about people driving to Costa for a takeaway coffee etc. I feel like they've deliberately made it as light as possible to keep the economy going while still being able to do some good. If the R rate is below one now, cases will begin to fall. I wouldn't be surprised to see a two week extension to the current restrictions before a fairly normal Christmas and New Year with these restrictions brought back in from early January until we have a good amount of people vaccinated.
Let's have a bit of optimism. |
This is exactly my prediction with a minor change - I think the restrictions will be back in for NYE |  |
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 21:59 - Nov 15 with 3416 views | m14_blue |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 21:51 - Nov 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
This is exactly my prediction with a minor change - I think the restrictions will be back in for NYE |
Might be a bit overly optimistic re Christmas I reckon.
I’ve heard there may be a one tier drop for all areas from 24-26 December. Not sure if that’s exactly what will happen but wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not a million miles away.
Which I guess would mean pretty low restrictions for you lot in the south anyway..... |  | | |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 22:03 - Nov 15 with 3400 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 21:59 - Nov 15 by m14_blue |
Might be a bit overly optimistic re Christmas I reckon.
I’ve heard there may be a one tier drop for all areas from 24-26 December. Not sure if that’s exactly what will happen but wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not a million miles away.
Which I guess would mean pretty low restrictions for you lot in the south anyway..... |
Personally I don’t see it. People will break it anyway and enforcing it will be political suicide for the government. Against that backdrop I think it’s too big a PR opportunity to miss - 4 households being allowed to gather is my prediction but only for a short period and the tradeoff being a much tighter lockdown again for NYE and into January
Time will tell though | |
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 22:06 - Nov 15 with 3409 views | NewcyBlue |
MrsN and I got the twins in our slings the other day and went for a walk to the local park and back. It was lovely.
People wanted to look, but kept their distance. This was mainly elderly people. It seems to be a north east tradition that people rub a coin on the babies hands and give them the coin. Instead people have been trying to give us the coins rather than touch the babies. Although one neighbour couldn’t help themselves.
We have been having visitors, mainly the health visitor and midwives that MrsN works with. They have been giving fantastic support considering how poorly the twins have been up until a few days back.
Seb comes regularly. When picking him up from school most parents aren’t wearing masks.
Otherwise it seems to be business as usual. We managed to get a fair bit done pre lockdown 2.0. Got a carpet fitted and I got to IKEA, which has been keeping me busy during the very short periods between feeding, nappy changes, and sleeping.
I like the masks. They should be a thing we just wear out and about. I hate people. |  |
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 22:38 - Nov 15 with 3393 views | m14_blue |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 22:03 - Nov 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Personally I don’t see it. People will break it anyway and enforcing it will be political suicide for the government. Against that backdrop I think it’s too big a PR opportunity to miss - 4 households being allowed to gather is my prediction but only for a short period and the tradeoff being a much tighter lockdown again for NYE and into January
Time will tell though |
Agree there will be immense electoral pressure for them not to ‘ruin Christmas’.
Wouldn’t be overly surprised to see them make that their priority even if the scientists warn against it.
I’m hardly his biggest fan but I wouldn’t be Boris for all the tea in China at the moment. | | | |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 23:38 - Nov 15 with 3357 views | StokieBlue |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 22:03 - Nov 15 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Personally I don’t see it. People will break it anyway and enforcing it will be political suicide for the government. Against that backdrop I think it’s too big a PR opportunity to miss - 4 households being allowed to gather is my prediction but only for a short period and the tradeoff being a much tighter lockdown again for NYE and into January
Time will tell though |
Isn't this the problem though? Why can't people miss one Christmas? It's not the end of the world whilst taking the virus back to ones parents or grand parents might very well be the end of their world.
Other countries have insisted that public holidays and festivals are off but for some reason it's absolutely unthinkable in this country not to have Christmas (people in this country missing Eid was fine though).
I think the biggest issue is that Christmas is entirely spend indoors, in close proximity and that is absolutely the best conditions for C19 to infect people.
Perhaps in smaller groups it might be manageable (but still a huge vector of transmission) but 4 households could be upwards of 16 people inside in a small space which is nonsensical given we haven't been able to have more than 6 people quite a lot of the last 6 months.
I guess we will see what happens, perhaps if people isolate a bit before meeting up it will all be fine and I have worried over nothing. Maybe they should close the schools a week early to give everyone time to isolate before meeting up.
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Edit: Actually closing the schools a week early is quite a good idea (I am sure they are looking at it). It would mean about 10 days before Christmas that families can isolate before all meeting up - symptoms should be apparent in that time and then those people can make their choices. [Post edited 15 Nov 2020 23:49]
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 09:32 - Nov 16 with 3225 views | 26_Paz |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 22:38 - Nov 15 by m14_blue |
Agree there will be immense electoral pressure for them not to ‘ruin Christmas’.
Wouldn’t be overly surprised to see them make that their priority even if the scientists warn against it.
I’m hardly his biggest fan but I wouldn’t be Boris for all the tea in China at the moment. |
I think his issue is that if he goes with draconian laws over Christmas there will be widespread and flagrant flouting of them. He’s going to go with something that people just about accept so he doesn’t look impotent. |  |
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 09:36 - Nov 16 with 3218 views | StokieBlue |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 09:32 - Nov 16 by 26_Paz |
I think his issue is that if he goes with draconian laws over Christmas there will be widespread and flagrant flouting of them. He’s going to go with something that people just about accept so he doesn’t look impotent. |
If people are willing to flagrantly flout the rules then surely we deserve what we get?
Other countries have had far, far harder restrictions that the UK and I don't think they moan anywhere near as much about it.
Did you read the link I posted on long-covid in "low risk" groups?
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 09:42 - Nov 16 with 3212 views | 26_Paz |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 09:36 - Nov 16 by StokieBlue |
If people are willing to flagrantly flout the rules then surely we deserve what we get?
Other countries have had far, far harder restrictions that the UK and I don't think they moan anywhere near as much about it.
Did you read the link I posted on long-covid in "low risk" groups?
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I’m not saying it’s right, it’s just the reality. If they say no household mixing at Christmas then large proportions of the population will break it. They’ll know it’s risky but they’ll do it anyway. That’s the problem Boris has ...
I’ll have a look at the link now, cheers | |
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 09:43 - Nov 16 with 3210 views | DanTheMan |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 17:02 - Nov 15 by BanksterDebtSlave |
The women that used this listened to experts.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essure
"Although designed to remain in place for a lifetime, it was approved based on short-term safety studies."
BAYER’S $1.6 BILLION SETTLEMENT IS A VICTORY TO THOUSANDS OF WOMEN WHO FILED ESSURE LAWSUITS AGAINST THE PHARMA MANUFACTURER, AND TO ALMOST 44,000 MEMBERS OF FACEBOOK ESSURE CAMPAIGNS |
I assume you've never used any drugs in your entire life then, from pharmaceutical companies.
Or any drugs for that matter. |  |
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 11:19 - Nov 16 with 3155 views | newcastlefan1984 |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 12:25 - Nov 15 by 26_Paz |
I don’t know, you might need a note book or something. Printer cartridges, all kind of stuff |
I am very angry as I have not seen my nan since March and my grandma since last Christmas.
In the shops at the weekend, you could not move and tempers in Asda were getting heated according to social media. They were where my father and I were shopping too and people were rushing for car parking spaces too much that I was nearly knocked over.
I worry for the vulnerable and for those who suffer from mental health and from physical and more severe illnesses. Life is being made intolerable for them because of the selfishness of others. The bulk buying of toilet rolls and other items.
I thought we learnt our lessons from the past but because of the low confidence in the government, we have took things into our own hands and we need a strong leader. |  | | |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 11:48 - Nov 16 with 3126 views | 26_Paz |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 11:19 - Nov 16 by newcastlefan1984 |
I am very angry as I have not seen my nan since March and my grandma since last Christmas.
In the shops at the weekend, you could not move and tempers in Asda were getting heated according to social media. They were where my father and I were shopping too and people were rushing for car parking spaces too much that I was nearly knocked over.
I worry for the vulnerable and for those who suffer from mental health and from physical and more severe illnesses. Life is being made intolerable for them because of the selfishness of others. The bulk buying of toilet rolls and other items.
I thought we learnt our lessons from the past but because of the low confidence in the government, we have took things into our own hands and we need a strong leader. |
I completely agree but do you mind me asking what that has to do with stationary shops staying open? | |
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 13:30 - Nov 16 with 3081 views | leitrimblue |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 18:59 - Nov 15 by Melford |
Good point. I injected myself with a syringe full of vodka once, I've smoked smack and crack. Munched so many pills my jaw still clicks now from all the years of gurning even though it's 15 years since I last necked a little fella.
I have one person on my FB feed who would snort a line of dandruff if you told him it was coke and yet he's on one about "I'm not putting these chemicals in my body because I don't trust them" |
I have a similar friend. I'm trying to convince him that the first dose of the vaccine is just a placebo but the 2nd one 28 days later as a buzz similar to a mdma, smack an crack cocktail |  | | |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 13:46 - Nov 16 with 3073 views | bracknell_blue |
Just walked he dog round Bury - town centre very busy, majority of shops open, cafes doing takeaways. Very hard not to think the lockdown is justabout having a go at hospitality and entertainment. |  |
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 13:49 - Nov 16 with 3067 views | StokieBlue |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 13:46 - Nov 16 by bracknell_blue |
Just walked he dog round Bury - town centre very busy, majority of shops open, cafes doing takeaways. Very hard not to think the lockdown is justabout having a go at hospitality and entertainment. |
Why do you say that?
Being with people is a vector which is what you do in hospitality and entertainment venues. Walking past people in the street or getting a takeaway isn't really the same.
Why would the government, rubbish as they are, want to single out hospitality and entertainment?
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 13:52 - Nov 16 with 3061 views | J2BLUE |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 11:19 - Nov 16 by newcastlefan1984 |
I am very angry as I have not seen my nan since March and my grandma since last Christmas.
In the shops at the weekend, you could not move and tempers in Asda were getting heated according to social media. They were where my father and I were shopping too and people were rushing for car parking spaces too much that I was nearly knocked over.
I worry for the vulnerable and for those who suffer from mental health and from physical and more severe illnesses. Life is being made intolerable for them because of the selfishness of others. The bulk buying of toilet rolls and other items.
I thought we learnt our lessons from the past but because of the low confidence in the government, we have took things into our own hands and we need a strong leader. |
Have you seen those portal things from Facebook? They look the next best thing if people can't be with their loved ones. |  |
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:02 - Nov 16 with 3042 views | jonbull88 |
“I was out yesterday and it was very busy” oh the irony!!
It’s simple, if you need essential food or medical help, go out, if you don’t then stay at home. It’s not that hard. Yes places are open, it doesn’t mean you must go there! | | | |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:03 - Nov 16 with 3036 views | J2BLUE |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:02 - Nov 16 by jonbull88 |
“I was out yesterday and it was very busy” oh the irony!!
It’s simple, if you need essential food or medical help, go out, if you don’t then stay at home. It’s not that hard. Yes places are open, it doesn’t mean you must go there! |
I think that might be their point. | |
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 18:43 - Nov 16 with 2975 views | 26_Paz |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:02 - Nov 16 by jonbull88 |
“I was out yesterday and it was very busy” oh the irony!!
It’s simple, if you need essential food or medical help, go out, if you don’t then stay at home. It’s not that hard. Yes places are open, it doesn’t mean you must go there! |
I go to places just for something to do sometimes. As Stokie has said, going out for a walk and getting a takeaway coffee, having a look around the odd shop, that’s pretty low risk and doesn’t make you a bad man ... | |
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 19:39 - Nov 16 with 2924 views | jonbull88 |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 18:43 - Nov 16 by 26_Paz |
I go to places just for something to do sometimes. As Stokie has said, going out for a walk and getting a takeaway coffee, having a look around the odd shop, that’s pretty low risk and doesn’t make you a bad man ... |
That’s why it’s “pretty busy” as everyone thinks I’ll just do this or I’ll just do that. It’s just like the person who says traffic is bad whilst sitting in the queue, they are the queue!!
By all means go out for an hour or twos exercise, or pop out for a few days worth of food shopping. However this isn’t the time to be browsing shops really whether we like it or not. | | | |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 19:43 - Nov 16 with 2922 views | StokieBlue |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 18:43 - Nov 16 by 26_Paz |
I go to places just for something to do sometimes. As Stokie has said, going out for a walk and getting a takeaway coffee, having a look around the odd shop, that’s pretty low risk and doesn’t make you a bad man ... |
To clarify:
Going out for a walk or exercise is absolutely fine. Going out for essentials shopping or a quick takeaway is fine.
Browsing for Japanese cooking knives is not OK.
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 22:04 - Nov 16 with 2840 views | 26_Paz |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 19:43 - Nov 16 by StokieBlue |
To clarify:
Going out for a walk or exercise is absolutely fine. Going out for essentials shopping or a quick takeaway is fine.
Browsing for Japanese cooking knives is not OK.
SB |
I haven’t bought any cooking knives, Japanese or otherwise but my view is if you want something from a shop that is open, as long as you wear a mask and keep your distance from other customers then there should be no guilt associated with going to get it | |
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| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 22:16 - Nov 16 with 2826 views | StokieBlue |
| This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 22:04 - Nov 16 by 26_Paz |
I haven’t bought any cooking knives, Japanese or otherwise but my view is if you want something from a shop that is open, as long as you wear a mask and keep your distance from other customers then there should be no guilt associated with going to get it |
So following on from that, why should a Japanese cooking knife shop be only? Is it really an essential shop?
It perhaps seems a stupid example but we have one here which is open everyday. People don't tend to buy the knives regularly because they are very expensive, people are browsing. That shouldn't be allowed.
It's a totally unnecessary vector of transmission.
There is also a pet groomers open which is even more bizarre given human hair groomers aren't allowed to be open.
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