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Was out on my bike yesterday and the roads were really busy, everyone is just carrying on as if nothing has changed.
Loads of non essential businesses just finding ways to get round the rules - gyms classing themselves as mental health support. Other non essential businesses just being allowed to be open because they sell some food products or tools.
If schools get a case they are largely being told to carry on regardless - this has happened at Mrs Dub's school under the advice of PHE.
A combination of woolly government advice, coupled with the general public just not giving a toss, means that this 4 week period will probably achieve next to nothing.
I was born underwater, I dried out in the sun.
I started humping volcanoes baby, when I was too young.
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 12:19 - Nov 15 by Bluefish
Probably a few executives of new ppe companies with government contracts that need to lose some money quickly
Not sure if there's a loophole where you can be open for viewing but not actually flog stuff. Anyhow, the amount of people in Cambridge pre-semi lockdown was scary. The queues for Sainsburys in town and on the Wednesday night for Weatherspoons were ridiculous. I hate to get all down on students and they may be some of the brightest minds in the country but they haven't got a chuffin' clue what 2 mtrs looks like.
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This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 12:31 - Nov 15 with 2984 views
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 12:16 - Nov 15 by uefacup81
The fact that (to cite two examples I've seen) stationery shops and garden centres have been classed as 'essential retail' just goes to show what a shambles this all is.
It's almost as if the list of essential businesses has been drawn up by lobbyists and Tory party donors rather than people who actually know what they're doing.
Had a note through the door saying that Majestic wine shop was open as usual on Friday as it was classed as essential. Where on earth is a bottle of wine essential?
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This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 13:32 - Nov 15 with 2915 views
What many on this thread are not getting, is the type of activity we are seeing people doing vs the type of activities they would otherwise be doing.
Shopping in large, well ventiliated shops, walking down a high street, sitting in cars are all far less risky than sitting in pubs, in nightclubs, visiting your mates, sunday afternoon lunch with parents etc. In fact all the people we witness out about are not breaking the rules by meeting friends or family indoors.
As for whether the restrictions are tight enough only yesterday the govt stated rates of spread were dropping. Indeed Liverpool has been dropping for a while.
So appreciate it seems busier than lockdown 1, but I think it is too soon to write off lockdown 2 as failing.
My worry is more that the good news around the vaccines may lead to reduced compliance. And the ongoing failure of people who should be, to self isolate.
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 13:32 - Nov 15 by bluelagos
What many on this thread are not getting, is the type of activity we are seeing people doing vs the type of activities they would otherwise be doing.
Shopping in large, well ventiliated shops, walking down a high street, sitting in cars are all far less risky than sitting in pubs, in nightclubs, visiting your mates, sunday afternoon lunch with parents etc. In fact all the people we witness out about are not breaking the rules by meeting friends or family indoors.
As for whether the restrictions are tight enough only yesterday the govt stated rates of spread were dropping. Indeed Liverpool has been dropping for a while.
So appreciate it seems busier than lockdown 1, but I think it is too soon to write off lockdown 2 as failing.
My worry is more that the good news around the vaccines may lead to reduced compliance. And the ongoing failure of people who should be, to self isolate.
Biggest difference - schools. Whilst schools are open most of the other measures are rendered pointless.
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 12:12 - Nov 15 by DebsyAngel
Thank you - I have not really been commenting on here much apart from the odd music thread/football match, but I am so depressed and angry that I don't really want to say anything much.
My next door neighbour has acted like nothing is going on - cocky sod, has people round, goes out several times a day to deal antiques and drugs, and just seen a teenage girl and boy go out of their house -no idea who they are. Yet the most I have seen my parents since March is twice, and at a distance where they wore a mask. Others say phone the police- they do absolutely nothing.
Oh yes they do. They have been stalking the pub industry pre lockdown and handing out easy hit fines for still being on the premises post 10pm. Despite not having any customers in.
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This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:02 - Nov 15 with 2865 views
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 13:51 - Nov 15 by peterleeblue
Oh yes they do. They have been stalking the pub industry pre lockdown and handing out easy hit fines for still being on the premises post 10pm. Despite not having any customers in.
We have had numerous problems with this neighbour for years but police just ignored all our evidence, and he always gets away with it. I have given up trying now - I have too much on my plate to try anymore with them.
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This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:06 - Nov 15 with 2851 views
It is important for sensible folk to do the right thing and stick to the rules.
There are enough people out there, whether through ignorance, selfishness or both, who won't abide by anything that causes them the slightest hardship. I can't really blame many of them because so much has been unclear that it's difficult to tell what's permitted and what isn't, even if you're following the news closely.
Stay at home, protect key workers and open a bottle of red. It's not D-Day, FFS.
Oh yeah, and remember to check on any vulnerable/elderly neighbours too, innit.
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 13:32 - Nov 15 by bluelagos
What many on this thread are not getting, is the type of activity we are seeing people doing vs the type of activities they would otherwise be doing.
Shopping in large, well ventiliated shops, walking down a high street, sitting in cars are all far less risky than sitting in pubs, in nightclubs, visiting your mates, sunday afternoon lunch with parents etc. In fact all the people we witness out about are not breaking the rules by meeting friends or family indoors.
As for whether the restrictions are tight enough only yesterday the govt stated rates of spread were dropping. Indeed Liverpool has been dropping for a while.
So appreciate it seems busier than lockdown 1, but I think it is too soon to write off lockdown 2 as failing.
My worry is more that the good news around the vaccines may lead to reduced compliance. And the ongoing failure of people who should be, to self isolate.
Precisely. People need to stop this 'it won't work because of xxxx' whinging when there are signs it actually is beginning to work.
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:09 - Nov 15 by J2BLUE
Precisely. People need to stop this 'it won't work because of xxxx' whinging when there are signs it actually is beginning to work.
This isn't specifically about your post :).
The R is still above 1 so the epidemic is still growing. Lockdown will certainly give us a chance of lowering it to below 1 and looking at the trends that should be the case but I find it hard for anyone to still support the view that we shouldn't have had any lockdown. Even if we get to 1 that means stability which means we still see 20,000 cases a day.
The real issue is that we know 100% that once things open up the R accelerates again so whilst lockdowns do work they are only really good for topping out the rising infections, creating a trough which lets us enjoy some normality before it rises again.
This is simply numbers and the fundamentals of a highly infectious disease - people need to realise this and be ready to accept any further lockdown measures that are needed in January or February until enough people are vaccinated.
That won't be the case though.
SB
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This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:18 - Nov 15 with 2805 views
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:15 - Nov 15 by StokieBlue
This isn't specifically about your post :).
The R is still above 1 so the epidemic is still growing. Lockdown will certainly give us a chance of lowering it to below 1 and looking at the trends that should be the case but I find it hard for anyone to still support the view that we shouldn't have had any lockdown. Even if we get to 1 that means stability which means we still see 20,000 cases a day.
The real issue is that we know 100% that once things open up the R accelerates again so whilst lockdowns do work they are only really good for topping out the rising infections, creating a trough which lets us enjoy some normality before it rises again.
This is simply numbers and the fundamentals of a highly infectious disease - people need to realise this and be ready to accept any further lockdown measures that are needed in January or February until enough people are vaccinated.
That won't be the case though.
SB
According to SAGE.
The symptom tracker app says below one and that data has proven reliable once official data catches up and verifies it for much of the pandemic so it's quite possible it's below one overall.
Edit:
I am not claiming this as proof it's below one, just saying that their data has been accurate more often than not and been available before the official sources have caught up so it is possible that it's below one.
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:15 - Nov 15 by StokieBlue
This isn't specifically about your post :).
The R is still above 1 so the epidemic is still growing. Lockdown will certainly give us a chance of lowering it to below 1 and looking at the trends that should be the case but I find it hard for anyone to still support the view that we shouldn't have had any lockdown. Even if we get to 1 that means stability which means we still see 20,000 cases a day.
The real issue is that we know 100% that once things open up the R accelerates again so whilst lockdowns do work they are only really good for topping out the rising infections, creating a trough which lets us enjoy some normality before it rises again.
This is simply numbers and the fundamentals of a highly infectious disease - people need to realise this and be ready to accept any further lockdown measures that are needed in January or February until enough people are vaccinated.
That won't be the case though.
SB
I genuinely think the biggest issue is going to be reluctance to take the vaccine. I can't see how you can mandate it, but think we need to be clever in incentivising uptake. Maybe no international travel, no visits to pubs or football for people who refuse it.
If we had say 1 in 3 refuse it, every chance it continues to spread and infect the elderly, for whom it may be less effective.
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:18 - Nov 15 by J2BLUE
According to SAGE.
The symptom tracker app says below one and that data has proven reliable once official data catches up and verifies it for much of the pandemic so it's quite possible it's below one overall.
Edit:
I am not claiming this as proof it's below one, just saying that their data has been accurate more often than not and been available before the official sources have caught up so it is possible that it's below one.
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This is predicted R rather than what we see from actual numbers but hopefully it is correct. I am not sure how a symptom tracker can predict this though - I suspect the demographics are skewed towards younger people signing up.
Hopefully it bears out though - realistically the R needs to be down to 0.8 to start making a big difference.
SB
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This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:26 - Nov 15 with 2777 views
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:23 - Nov 15 by bluelagos
I genuinely think the biggest issue is going to be reluctance to take the vaccine. I can't see how you can mandate it, but think we need to be clever in incentivising uptake. Maybe no international travel, no visits to pubs or football for people who refuse it.
If we had say 1 in 3 refuse it, every chance it continues to spread and infect the elderly, for whom it may be less effective.
Something like 200,000 have signed a petition for there to be no restrictions on anyone who refuses to take it and the government have responded that there are no plans to restrict freedoms of objectors.
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:25 - Nov 15 by StokieBlue
This is predicted R rather than what we see from actual numbers but hopefully it is correct. I am not sure how a symptom tracker can predict this though - I suspect the demographics are skewed towards younger people signing up.
Hopefully it bears out though - realistically the R needs to be down to 0.8 to start making a big difference.
SB
Yep, that's what I mean. Their predictions have been very accurate. As I said it's not proof and agree with you that we can only hope it's true.
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:23 - Nov 15 by bluelagos
I genuinely think the biggest issue is going to be reluctance to take the vaccine. I can't see how you can mandate it, but think we need to be clever in incentivising uptake. Maybe no international travel, no visits to pubs or football for people who refuse it.
If we had say 1 in 3 refuse it, every chance it continues to spread and infect the elderly, for whom it may be less effective.
Evacuate the Isle of Man. Anyone who refuses the vaccine is made to move there. I can think of few greater punishments.
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:23 - Nov 15 by bluelagos
I genuinely think the biggest issue is going to be reluctance to take the vaccine. I can't see how you can mandate it, but think we need to be clever in incentivising uptake. Maybe no international travel, no visits to pubs or football for people who refuse it.
If we had say 1 in 3 refuse it, every chance it continues to spread and infect the elderly, for whom it may be less effective.
It's a sad state of affairs that people need to be incentivised to help their fellow citizens and themselves.
Perhaps as you say, a vaccination card might be required to do things which involve mingling with larger numbers of people or travelling to other areas and abroad.
Of course there would immediately be calls of totalitarianism or something from some people but tough.
SB
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This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:31 - Nov 15 with 2751 views
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:23 - Nov 15 by bluelagos
I genuinely think the biggest issue is going to be reluctance to take the vaccine. I can't see how you can mandate it, but think we need to be clever in incentivising uptake. Maybe no international travel, no visits to pubs or football for people who refuse it.
If we had say 1 in 3 refuse it, every chance it continues to spread and infect the elderly, for whom it may be less effective.
I really struggle with this reluctance to take the vaccine.
My primary concern here is that the damage caused by lockdowns will be so intense, that the generations below will end up paying for it for an inordinant amount of time.
Any steps that can be taken to return to normality should be grasped with both hands - and clearly a vaccine will be the biggest step that can be taken.
Honestly, the amount of rubbish that we all put into our bodies during the course of day-to-day life - all the junk food, all the booze, all the drugs - realistically, who cares about a vaccine in light of all of the above?
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This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:32 - Nov 15 with 2746 views
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:26 - Nov 15 by J2BLUE
Something like 200,000 have signed a petition for there to be no restrictions on anyone who refuses to take it and the government have responded that there are no plans to restrict freedoms of objectors.
If 2 or 3% refuse, no worries. But anecdotally I have heard a number of people worrying about taking it, seemingly worried that the long term effects are unknown. Which they are, how can we know the long term effects?
I'll happily take it but I think the refusniks could be a signifant number.
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 11:38 - Nov 15 by 26_Paz
I just went wandering round my local high street yesterday for something to do. Some outside stalls were open, got some posh bread and a pie. Got a takeaway coffee. More stuff open than last time but nothing that could do any harm.
I've just been to Victoria Park in hackney with my Mum and it was heaving. I accept I broke the rules btw, so deserve any telling off. Re the OP, I think people are just living by their own rules of whats safe and unsafe.
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Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
This 'lockdown' really is a farce isn't it? on 14:31 - Nov 15 by Funge
I really struggle with this reluctance to take the vaccine.
My primary concern here is that the damage caused by lockdowns will be so intense, that the generations below will end up paying for it for an inordinant amount of time.
Any steps that can be taken to return to normality should be grasped with both hands - and clearly a vaccine will be the biggest step that can be taken.
Honestly, the amount of rubbish that we all put into our bodies during the course of day-to-day life - all the junk food, all the booze, all the drugs - realistically, who cares about a vaccine in light of all of the above?
Maybe it's just due to the amplification of social media and the like, but I really didn't think we had so many conspiracist cranks over here before all this started. I wonder if anyone has an actual number for those who don't believe in it. Must be worryingly high at this point.
Even people I know, friends/family, are now claiming they'll never take a vaccine, it's all a 'control experiment' and the like. Whatever happened to common sense and listening to experts?
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
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