| How’s everyone gonna feel... 21:05 - Dec 5 with 8095 views | BiGDonnie |
Once Lambo’s taken us to the title? A bit silly? |  |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 23:28 - Dec 5 with 2666 views | DublinBlue84 |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 22:53 - Dec 5 by Kieran_Knows |
We beat a shÃt Plymouth side who had 10 men and all is forgiven?
We really do have the most pathetic fan base. |
One win against ten men playing a formation their beloved said we were hopeless at and the passive fans and happy clappers find a voice. No wonder this club is failing. The short termism of the simple football fan is clear for all to see. [Post edited 5 Dec 2020 23:30]
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 23:29 - Dec 5 with 2657 views | BlueBadger |
I don't know if I've got the patience to wait for him to win the fourth division title on the final year of his contract. |  |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 23:34 - Dec 5 with 2645 views | wkj |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 23:27 - Dec 5 by clive_baker |
No you don't. You need to be one of the best performing teams in the level you're operating at. The ability to compete at a higher level is of no relevance whatsoever.
How many proven championship players did Wycombe, Oxford, Fleetwood, Gillingham et al have? All of which finished above us. Less than we did I would wager. |
As another example
If Paul Hurst could do what he did with Shrewsbury, which was a bang average team, a manger with skill should have been able to do the same, or better with Town. As bad as people feel they are, our relegation squad was miles more experienced and better pound for pound than Hurst's Shewsbury was that season.
Paul Lambert caught lightning in a bottle with Nodge, his system worked because the players fit the system. The system he has here is a questionable system, and it makes certainly players look worse than they are (Compare Jackson in a solo striker role vs a strike partnership)
A good manager will be able to adapt a system to the resources at his disposal.
Paul Lambert is not a good manger in that regard whatsoever, which is why having him as a manager is dangerous for us, especially if he can not adapt the system to the strengths of the developing players. (See Klug's comments about the youth system vs 1st team system) |  |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 23:50 - Dec 5 with 2633 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Most people would probably feel satisfied that they'd given him the kick up the arse he needed. |  |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 23:50 - Dec 5 with 2631 views | Eireannach_gorm |
Astonished. |  | | |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 23:55 - Dec 5 with 2628 views | Zacak |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 22:52 - Dec 5 by jeera |
Phil hadn't offered any opinons though. |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 00:01 - Dec 6 with 2621 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 21:40 - Dec 5 by BiGDonnie |
Such a simplistic view.
Our players are nowhere near the level twtd think they are imo. |
I think you've misjudged the level at which TWTD rates our players.
But to be fair;
Downes - Premier League bid received.
Woolfie - Championship interest (and Prem if some rumours are to be believed)
Dozzell - Premier League interest last seasonm
Dobra - Premier League bid.
Jackson - Championship bids.
Bishop - excellent technical player.
Norwood - Championship clubs tried to get him last season and every L1 club wanted him.
Downes, Lankester, Dozzell and Bishop have all be recognised by England at youth levels. With Dozzell and Downes representing U20 and U21 respectively.
...it's ain't a bad basis of a squad.... For this level.
Most L1 managers would be happy to have that core of a team. | |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 00:37 - Dec 6 with 2594 views | BlueBadger |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 23:28 - Dec 5 by DublinBlue84 |
One win against ten men playing a formation their beloved said we were hopeless at and the passive fans and happy clappers find a voice. No wonder this club is failing. The short termism of the simple football fan is clear for all to see. [Post edited 5 Dec 2020 23:30]
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Yes, BUT THE FOOTBALL WAS BETTER TODAY. | |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 00:39 - Dec 6 with 2595 views | BlueBadger |
Oh CallumGary, I'd say 'you're better than attempting to be Blueas tribute act, but... | |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 05:39 - Dec 6 with 2563 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 22:53 - Dec 5 by Kieran_Knows |
We beat a shÃt Plymouth side who had 10 men and all is forgiven?
We really do have the most pathetic fan base. |
The Lambert situation is just a repeat of the stuff with Evans the last few years. We win a game and suddenly there’s fans choosing to ignore the major flaws as if the win covers the cracks and the win is the start of a 20 match unbeaten run. Not gonna happen. |  |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 08:54 - Dec 6 with 2511 views | Churchman |
Pleased and relieved. But sadly it isn’t going to happen. Regardless of the merits of individual players, we are a poor side representing a badly run club managed by a bloke who hasn’t the faintest idea what he’s doing. I’m amazed he can count to 11, though maybe that’s what the coach is for. There must be something. We are actually punching above our weight at the moment, scraping results and will probably finish where we belong in mid table.
When talking about relegated clubs, it should be remembered that we were one of the worst teams to ever fall out of that league and would have struggled to beat anyone at Conference level. It’s so sad that we have slipped so far and as a club diminished much. A lot has to happen to the club before it can survive in the Championship, even if we get there. |  | | |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 09:03 - Dec 6 with 2497 views | BiGDonnie |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 21:58 - Dec 5 by quirkie |
Heck one win over Plymouth and were are going to win the league and be in the Champions league in a few season.
Reality is we will finish outside the playoffs and will have done well under Lambert to finish in the top half of the table. |
Nope.
Reality is you don’t have a clue where we’ll finish and we’ve as much chance as finishing top as where you think. Chin up lad. | |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 09:03 - Dec 6 with 2497 views | PJH |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 22:02 - Dec 5 by Garv |
Best squad on paper maybe. It was also a squad hungover from relegation and well used to losing and not being able to recover well from set backs.
The obsession that we should be walking the league is just baffling. |
Was there not a survey done at the end of 2019/20 among the reporters from each of the League One teams in which almost everyone said that PL was the biggest failure?
That would suggest that most League One reporters and quite possibly supporters expected ITFC to do much better than they did. I suppose that that was because we had the best squad in the division.
As has been pointed out on this thread the hangover from relegation did not seem to set in until we were clear at the top of the league, delayed reaction I suppose. |  | | |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 09:14 - Dec 6 with 2488 views | BiGDonnie |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 22:53 - Dec 5 by Kieran_Knows |
We beat a shÃt Plymouth side who had 10 men and all is forgiven?
We really do have the most pathetic fan base. |
Maybe it’s a bit pathetic to cry about us not walking the league last year?
Maybe it’s pathetic to want a manger sacked when we’re joint third?
Game if opinions mate. I’d rather he stayed while we’re in the hunt. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 9:19]
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 09:18 - Dec 6 with 2474 views | BiGDonnie |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 00:01 - Dec 6 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I think you've misjudged the level at which TWTD rates our players.
But to be fair;
Downes - Premier League bid received.
Woolfie - Championship interest (and Prem if some rumours are to be believed)
Dozzell - Premier League interest last seasonm
Dobra - Premier League bid.
Jackson - Championship bids.
Bishop - excellent technical player.
Norwood - Championship clubs tried to get him last season and every L1 club wanted him.
Downes, Lankester, Dozzell and Bishop have all be recognised by England at youth levels. With Dozzell and Downes representing U20 and U21 respectively.
...it's ain't a bad basis of a squad.... For this level.
Most L1 managers would be happy to have that core of a team. |
Naaaaa. I know full well the potential of some our lot and where we currently are better than most on here lad. | |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 09:20 - Dec 6 with 2470 views | Herbivore |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 08:54 - Dec 6 by Churchman |
Pleased and relieved. But sadly it isn’t going to happen. Regardless of the merits of individual players, we are a poor side representing a badly run club managed by a bloke who hasn’t the faintest idea what he’s doing. I’m amazed he can count to 11, though maybe that’s what the coach is for. There must be something. We are actually punching above our weight at the moment, scraping results and will probably finish where we belong in mid table.
When talking about relegated clubs, it should be remembered that we were one of the worst teams to ever fall out of that league and would have struggled to beat anyone at Conference level. It’s so sad that we have slipped so far and as a club diminished much. A lot has to happen to the club before it can survive in the Championship, even if we get there. |
Rotherham finished with fewer points than us 2 years before our relegation and they came straight back up. The hyperbole in this post is really quite something. The squad we have should have finished top 6 last season with even vaguely competent management. |  |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:01 - Dec 6 with 2449 views | Guthrum |
I'd be delighted if he can succeed in getting us back up to the Champ.
The biggest reason most people are angry at Lambert is because they don't believe he's capable of doing it. The stuff about style, tactics selections and even falling out with the local press are all just side-effects from the main issue. Get the first bit right and all the other things pale into insignificance (or don't happen).
The fans turned on McCarthy not really because of the style*, but the fact we weren't winning matches and had gone backwards since 2014-15. The angry exchanges didn't start util some way down the line.
* People grumbled about it, sure. But it wasn't a relationship-breaking issue until the results stopped coming. |  |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:02 - Dec 6 with 2444 views | gazzer1999 |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 09:20 - Dec 6 by Herbivore |
Rotherham finished with fewer points than us 2 years before our relegation and they came straight back up. The hyperbole in this post is really quite something. The squad we have should have finished top 6 last season with even vaguely competent management. |
Unfortunately we will never know if we would have finished top six, unless you know something that I don't know. |  | | |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:08 - Dec 6 with 2428 views | Dyland |
I'll be over the moon obviously, until I wake up and spend the whole day in a surreal sense of confusion having had such an amazingly great dream for once. |  |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:08 - Dec 6 with 2429 views | Herbivore |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:02 - Dec 6 by gazzer1999 |
Unfortunately we will never know if we would have finished top six, unless you know something that I don't know. |
Yes, I know that we were on a run of relegation form when the season ended, adrift of the top 6 having played more games than the sides around us. | |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:10 - Dec 6 with 2423 views | gazzer1999 |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:08 - Dec 6 by Herbivore |
Yes, I know that we were on a run of relegation form when the season ended, adrift of the top 6 having played more games than the sides around us. |
Did you expect us to win yesterday? By that I do not mean hope either way. | | | |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:12 - Dec 6 with 2423 views | Herbivore |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:10 - Dec 6 by gazzer1999 |
Did you expect us to win yesterday? By that I do not mean hope either way. |
What's your point, caller? We won because they had a man sent off, it's not like we've gone to Plymouth and played them off the park for 90 minutes. | |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:20 - Dec 6 with 2407 views | gazzer1999 |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:12 - Dec 6 by Herbivore |
What's your point, caller? We won because they had a man sent off, it's not like we've gone to Plymouth and played them off the park for 90 minutes. |
My point is you did not expect to win yesterday and we did, and with a whole team of first teamer's out for one reason or another. So you saying you knew we would not make the top six is totally unreasonable. Everyone is capable of beating everyone in this league. Hull beat us 3 - 0 with around 3 shots on target, but did not play much if any better than us. It's all about scoring goals and we got 2 yesterday, how many did Plymouth score? | | | |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:26 - Dec 6 with 2392 views | Guthrum |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:02 - Dec 6 by gazzer1999 |
Unfortunately we will never know if we would have finished top six, unless you know something that I don't know. |
We had taken four points from the nine matches up to the season's suspension. We were eight points plus goal difference behind sixth place. Apart from Sunderland, every other team had either one or two games in hand on us.
None of the teams above us were registering less than 1.5 points per game over their last six. Fleetwood and Peterborough, in 6th and 7th, were going at well over 2ppg. If they continued with anything like those averages - over more games than us, plus the points gaps and goal difference deficits - we would realistically have to win every one of our remaining eight matches to overhaul enough of them to trouble the play offs. When we'd won one in nine.
No, it was not completely impossible. But so improbable that we can say with a high degree of certainty that Ipswich Town would not have made the play-offs in 2019-20, even had the season been completed. | |
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| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:30 - Dec 6 with 2383 views | Herbivore |
| How’s everyone gonna feel... on 10:20 - Dec 6 by gazzer1999 |
My point is you did not expect to win yesterday and we did, and with a whole team of first teamer's out for one reason or another. So you saying you knew we would not make the top six is totally unreasonable. Everyone is capable of beating everyone in this league. Hull beat us 3 - 0 with around 3 shots on target, but did not play much if any better than us. It's all about scoring goals and we got 2 yesterday, how many did Plymouth score? |
I'll concede that if we'd played against 10 men in all of our remaining fixtures last season we might have made the play offs. That, however, seems really unlikely doesn't it? And because we'd been on such a poor run and were adrift having played more games than our rivals we needed to hit automatic promotion form over the remainder of the season and we still could have missed out. If you think it's likely we would have gone from the form we were in to sustained automatic promotion form then good for you, but it strikes me as utterly delusional. As is your claim that Hull weren't much better than us, they strolled to a 3-0 win and we didn't lay a glove on them. | |
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