| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? 17:16 - Dec 7 with 3660 views | Coastalblue |
Just wondered what people's ideas of our short term future are if the vaccines work as hoped?
I get the feeling that many people seem to think that by next summer we'll be back to life as it was up until this year. I don't see that, I think even with succesful vaccines we've probably got another disrupted year or two before things look like heading back to the way they were.
I think masks, social distancing and all that stuff is likely to carry on through most of next year and it will probably be 2022 before things really start to go back to how they were before (and hopefull a bit better with some things)
Perhaps it's just because this year has had such a massive impact on me personally that I'm finding it hard to feel too optimistic about the immediate future. I'm lucky that I didn't lose any friends or loved ones, my primary source of income disapeared literally overnight with lockdown and have been struggling by ever since. |  |
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| Bill Gates to telling everyone exactly what they've had for breakfast and when.. on 19:20 - Dec 7 with 573 views | factual_blue |
| Bill Gates to telling everyone exactly what they've had for breakfast and when.. on 17:55 - Dec 7 by BlueBadger |
..they've been and had a poo. |
He already does that for me. |  |
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| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 22:16 - Dec 7 with 510 views | Guthrum |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 17:41 - Dec 7 by Herbivore |
Most of the science bods I've seen, who know much more about this than me, seem to think we'll see things starting to ease from the Spring with easing going on until the end of Summer at which point we should be close to something much closer to normal. Full normality might take a little longer, but to be honest I'd happily take how things were over this Summer. You could do pretty much anything, just needed some sensible precautions to be followed. |
Much what I'm expecting.
However, I do think there'll be long term socio-economic effects from the C-19 pandemic. For a start, am not at all sure we will see a return to frequent, cheap flying. Many of the airlines are too badly damaged. Working practices may have changed for good, with more dispersal and WFH. Probably also hastened (but not caused) the decline of the High Street. |  |
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| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 23:07 - Dec 7 with 496 views | Sarge |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 17:38 - Dec 7 by StokieBlue |
To be honest there is an extremely good case to be made for using masks every winter from now on.
They use masks routinely in southeast Asia because it works in preventing transmission to others. Look at the low cases of other respiratory illness this year when there has been heavy mask use preventing the spread of flu as well as C19.
I don't think it's much of a hardship to wear a mask when shopping for 30 minutes or whatever given the huge potential upside.
SB |
If mandatory masks became the norm just for general hygiene then I won’t want to live anymore. Which is only a mild digression from where I am currently.
They make shopping and pretty much everything else miserable, distant and uncomfortable. It might not be a hardship for you but it will put off a great many people doing anything for leisure ever again. |  | | |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 23:10 - Dec 7 with 492 views | Sarge |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 18:01 - Dec 7 by bluelagos |
Funnily enough - the morale argument has persuaded me to have the Flu vaccine this year. I wasn't going to get one (Am over 50) but was pointed out that I would be helping protect the oldies so signed up.
I think we have adopted to mask wearing pretty well, but I am defo one of those who takes it off the minute I leave the shop :-) |
When this is over I shall take great delight in a bonfire of the masks. I never ever want to see one again. | | | |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 23:14 - Dec 7 with 487 views | StokieBlue |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 23:07 - Dec 7 by Sarge |
If mandatory masks became the norm just for general hygiene then I won’t want to live anymore. Which is only a mild digression from where I am currently.
They make shopping and pretty much everything else miserable, distant and uncomfortable. It might not be a hardship for you but it will put off a great many people doing anything for leisure ever again. |
In subsequent posts I have clarified that it's for things like shops and transport, I haven't mentioned leisure (in fact I pointed out they weren't used in pubs anyway) and I specifically said in the winter.
This would greatly help everyone over the winter and take some strain off the NHS, all for 20 minutes discomfort for a few months a year.
SB [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 23:15]
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| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 23:17 - Dec 7 with 480 views | jeera |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 23:07 - Dec 7 by Sarge |
If mandatory masks became the norm just for general hygiene then I won’t want to live anymore. Which is only a mild digression from where I am currently.
They make shopping and pretty much everything else miserable, distant and uncomfortable. It might not be a hardship for you but it will put off a great many people doing anything for leisure ever again. |
I think you may be misrepresenting what's said there to be fair bud.
I can't speak for Stokie, but I would happily use one under some circumstances if it ultimately meant I wouldn't have to under others! |  |
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| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 23:29 - Dec 7 with 471 views | StokieBlue |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 23:17 - Dec 7 by jeera |
I think you may be misrepresenting what's said there to be fair bud.
I can't speak for Stokie, but I would happily use one under some circumstances if it ultimately meant I wouldn't have to under others! |
Exactly.
A selective use of masks, during the winter months which is the peak time for respiratory illness, could make a massive difference.
It won't stop all transmission of course but even usage in shops and transport would cut down a huge number of vectors of transmission. I wouldn't be advocating them in all situations like we currently have because I think everyone including myself wouldn't like that.
As an example, in normal times, up to 5m people take the tube on a daily basis. Imagine the reduction in the vectors for flu and other respiratory illnesses if those people wore masks for 20 minutes for a few months a year.
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| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 23:37 - Dec 7 with 468 views | jeera |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 23:29 - Dec 7 by StokieBlue |
Exactly.
A selective use of masks, during the winter months which is the peak time for respiratory illness, could make a massive difference.
It won't stop all transmission of course but even usage in shops and transport would cut down a huge number of vectors of transmission. I wouldn't be advocating them in all situations like we currently have because I think everyone including myself wouldn't like that.
As an example, in normal times, up to 5m people take the tube on a daily basis. Imagine the reduction in the vectors for flu and other respiratory illnesses if those people wore masks for 20 minutes for a few months a year.
SB |
I honestly couldn't agree more, I have nothing more to add there.
I tend to find people pretty disgusting as a rule anyway so the idea they can't cough and sneeze and breathe at me is already appealing anyway.
And "wash your hands". You bloody well should be anyway but now you know cos you've been told. You know who you are. | |
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| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 07:20 - Dec 8 with 425 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 23:29 - Dec 7 by StokieBlue |
Exactly.
A selective use of masks, during the winter months which is the peak time for respiratory illness, could make a massive difference.
It won't stop all transmission of course but even usage in shops and transport would cut down a huge number of vectors of transmission. I wouldn't be advocating them in all situations like we currently have because I think everyone including myself wouldn't like that.
As an example, in normal times, up to 5m people take the tube on a daily basis. Imagine the reduction in the vectors for flu and other respiratory illnesses if those people wore masks for 20 minutes for a few months a year.
SB |
Something like this should be 100% voluntary. IF you are suggesting that masks in closed spaces in winter months become compulsory then I find that very, very worrying*.
I don't disagree that it would massively reduce transmission of respiratory illnesses, but it should NOT be mandatory. We have lived our whole lives taking calculated risks in relation to our health. If I want to go in to Tesco and have a higher chance of catching a cold or flu because I'm not wearing a mask and the person next to me might sneeze on me, that is my choice. Such ideas are straying into a complete nanny/big brother state, and in a 'free' country we should be allowed to make our own decisions.
If those who are more vulnerable or less risk adverse want to continue wearing masks in shops etc then I absolutely respect that.
Otherwise where will this end? You can see it now...
'Thanks for getting vaccinated against Covid, by the way we've realised that wearing masks in close spaces is the best way of minimising illness, so if you can keep doing that in shops that would be great'.
'Actually, anywhere where you're within 2m of others poses a risk of catching something, so also when you go to the cinema etc you should wear masks'.
'Probably the safest option is to maintain a 2m distance at all times. This way we can reduce as much as possible cold and influenze rates in the country and keep everyone as healthy as possible'.
I realise I am nearly venturing into 'conspiracy' mode here, but I think it's so important to point out that the majority of young, healthy people will not want their freedom to be impinged on in such a manner going forward. Personally I do not want to live in a world where I am told that I HAVE to put something over my face every time I step in a shop while it's cold outside. If anyone suggests going forward that a blanketed approach to making people wear masks is acceptable, then that is troubling to say the least.
*if you are not suggesting this then I apologise. |  |
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| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 07:50 - Dec 8 with 409 views | Coastalblue |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 07:20 - Dec 8 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Something like this should be 100% voluntary. IF you are suggesting that masks in closed spaces in winter months become compulsory then I find that very, very worrying*.
I don't disagree that it would massively reduce transmission of respiratory illnesses, but it should NOT be mandatory. We have lived our whole lives taking calculated risks in relation to our health. If I want to go in to Tesco and have a higher chance of catching a cold or flu because I'm not wearing a mask and the person next to me might sneeze on me, that is my choice. Such ideas are straying into a complete nanny/big brother state, and in a 'free' country we should be allowed to make our own decisions.
If those who are more vulnerable or less risk adverse want to continue wearing masks in shops etc then I absolutely respect that.
Otherwise where will this end? You can see it now...
'Thanks for getting vaccinated against Covid, by the way we've realised that wearing masks in close spaces is the best way of minimising illness, so if you can keep doing that in shops that would be great'.
'Actually, anywhere where you're within 2m of others poses a risk of catching something, so also when you go to the cinema etc you should wear masks'.
'Probably the safest option is to maintain a 2m distance at all times. This way we can reduce as much as possible cold and influenze rates in the country and keep everyone as healthy as possible'.
I realise I am nearly venturing into 'conspiracy' mode here, but I think it's so important to point out that the majority of young, healthy people will not want their freedom to be impinged on in such a manner going forward. Personally I do not want to live in a world where I am told that I HAVE to put something over my face every time I step in a shop while it's cold outside. If anyone suggests going forward that a blanketed approach to making people wear masks is acceptable, then that is troubling to say the least.
*if you are not suggesting this then I apologise. |
The mask is not supposed to protect you though, it's to protect those around you.
You'd be making a decision for them rather than yourself if you opt not to wear one in crowded enclosed spaces, would it really be that terrible to wear one for maybe 10-20 mins at a time while on public transport? | |
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| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 08:25 - Dec 8 with 398 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 07:50 - Dec 8 by Coastalblue |
The mask is not supposed to protect you though, it's to protect those around you.
You'd be making a decision for them rather than yourself if you opt not to wear one in crowded enclosed spaces, would it really be that terrible to wear one for maybe 10-20 mins at a time while on public transport? |
I know that it's to protect each other. As I said, I have no problem if someone wants to wear one so that they feel safer and more protected. If the masks work then if person X is wearing one then does it matter if person Y isn't? Again, we make our own calculated decisions.
Yes, for me it would be terrible to HAVE to wear one for 10-20 minutes on public transport. I don't like wearing a face mask nor the idea of being told I must do so. | |
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| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 08:31 - Dec 8 with 389 views | Herbivore |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 08:25 - Dec 8 by ThisIsMyUsername |
I know that it's to protect each other. As I said, I have no problem if someone wants to wear one so that they feel safer and more protected. If the masks work then if person X is wearing one then does it matter if person Y isn't? Again, we make our own calculated decisions.
Yes, for me it would be terrible to HAVE to wear one for 10-20 minutes on public transport. I don't like wearing a face mask nor the idea of being told I must do so. |
Firstly, if Y doesn't wear a mask then yes it does matter because if Y has flu and splutters all over the place, X can still pick up their germs even if X is wearing a mask. I don't think anyone likes wearing masks especially, I don't take much great joy out of it, but it's not exactly a massive hardship either is it? You rarely have to wear them for long and if it might ultimately save someone else's life is your mild discomfort really more important than that? |  |
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| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 08:37 - Dec 8 with 386 views | itfcjoe |
I'm hoping by spring things will be at relative normal level, and then by end of summer it will basically be back to where we were before for the majority of people - but there will always now be a risk averse lot who still won't dare do anything.
I want a few things to be considered back to normal:
- Being able to go to the pub, or out to dinner, with who I want where I want and no restrictions
- Being able to be part of big crowds at sporting events with no social distancing, masks or the like
- Being able to travel with no restrictions (bar a record of vaccination if required)
- Being able to get into classes again at the gym, so being able to have 24 people in a room working out rather than 8!
I'm hopeful all that will be back by the summer, and can't wait just to go back to a normal life. |  |
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| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 08:41 - Dec 8 with 379 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 08:31 - Dec 8 by Herbivore |
Firstly, if Y doesn't wear a mask then yes it does matter because if Y has flu and splutters all over the place, X can still pick up their germs even if X is wearing a mask. I don't think anyone likes wearing masks especially, I don't take much great joy out of it, but it's not exactly a massive hardship either is it? You rarely have to wear them for long and if it might ultimately save someone else's life is your mild discomfort really more important than that? |
Fair point re droplets landing on things. Maybe we can install regular hand sanitiser points in shops etc, or make mask wearing 'highly recommended' for people showing symptoms of cold/flu etc.
Again, yes I really don't want to wear one at all. I'm currently working in a hospital where I have to wear one for 8 hours a day, so it's not like I am a mask shirker. | |
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| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 08:44 - Dec 8 with 374 views | Swansea_Blue |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 07:50 - Dec 8 by Coastalblue |
The mask is not supposed to protect you though, it's to protect those around you.
You'd be making a decision for them rather than yourself if you opt not to wear one in crowded enclosed spaces, would it really be that terrible to wear one for maybe 10-20 mins at a time while on public transport? |
Won't work as there are so many selfish a-holes around, plus it's now been politicised. We've seen that this year. The Chinese students in Swansea used to routinely wear masks and nobody batted an eyelid. Now it's all 'face nappy' this and 'muzzle' that. Just for a little piece of cloth that could help spread germs and viruses. Madness. |  |
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| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 09:04 - Dec 8 with 355 views | StokieBlue |
| What are you expecting if the vaccines are succesful? on 07:20 - Dec 8 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Something like this should be 100% voluntary. IF you are suggesting that masks in closed spaces in winter months become compulsory then I find that very, very worrying*.
I don't disagree that it would massively reduce transmission of respiratory illnesses, but it should NOT be mandatory. We have lived our whole lives taking calculated risks in relation to our health. If I want to go in to Tesco and have a higher chance of catching a cold or flu because I'm not wearing a mask and the person next to me might sneeze on me, that is my choice. Such ideas are straying into a complete nanny/big brother state, and in a 'free' country we should be allowed to make our own decisions.
If those who are more vulnerable or less risk adverse want to continue wearing masks in shops etc then I absolutely respect that.
Otherwise where will this end? You can see it now...
'Thanks for getting vaccinated against Covid, by the way we've realised that wearing masks in close spaces is the best way of minimising illness, so if you can keep doing that in shops that would be great'.
'Actually, anywhere where you're within 2m of others poses a risk of catching something, so also when you go to the cinema etc you should wear masks'.
'Probably the safest option is to maintain a 2m distance at all times. This way we can reduce as much as possible cold and influenze rates in the country and keep everyone as healthy as possible'.
I realise I am nearly venturing into 'conspiracy' mode here, but I think it's so important to point out that the majority of young, healthy people will not want their freedom to be impinged on in such a manner going forward. Personally I do not want to live in a world where I am told that I HAVE to put something over my face every time I step in a shop while it's cold outside. If anyone suggests going forward that a blanketed approach to making people wear masks is acceptable, then that is troubling to say the least.
*if you are not suggesting this then I apologise. |
This might seem harsh but I think the arguments in your post are rather flawed.
Firstly you've misunderstood the science of wearing the mask. It's not about you taking a calculated risk, it's about you infecting others and to be honest that's not your decision on risk to make.
Everything is about freedoms is just rubbish, I'm afraid. Wearing a mask for a few minutes on crowded public transport isn't impinging on your freedoms in any way.
All the other stuff is just a slippery slope fallacy and incorrect. Social distancing isn't even 2m now in places like pubs so why it be 2m in a blanket fashion. Thinking like this contributes to the state we are in now.
In the end I really don't see the problem with eating a mask for 10 or 20 minutes in places like supermarkets and transport in order to stop the transmission of illness in the winter. It's a short amount of time for a short period of the year.
There is a reason why flu infections are down this year and I'm sure there will be studies showing that mask wearing in Asia made early C19 transmission slower.
It's not going to happen so don't worry, that doesn't mean that it shouldn't happen though and that your arguments aren't flawed. It might even surprised you to know that I doubt anyone actually likes wearing a mask, it's just the lesser of various evils.
SB [Post edited 8 Dec 2020 9:14]
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