| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. 08:09 - Jan 11 with 3335 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
...post worker with a shielding partner who in the first lock down was allowed to self isolate asked why he now had to work. The question went unanswered but apparently travelling more than 5 miles for a remote walk is the real concern! |  |
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| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 12:51 - Jan 11 with 426 views | StokieBlue |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 12:16 - Jan 11 by Funge |
Good post.
I agree with a lot of what you post - I have yet to see widespread rule breaking here in IP, although obviously there are those who break the rules.
I also agree that we are seeing a shift in the polemic towards 'exercise shaming', which is frankly bullsh1t. There is a lot of countryside in Suffolk; why should anyone have an issue with anyone else choosing to use that countryside, providing that they are isolated and distant from any other person?
I have voiced my concerns on here previously regarding this government's attempt to 'divide and conquer' on this matter. Go out and do as much exercise as you like. As long as you and your 'bubble' don't come into contact with anyone else, what difference does it make? |
That's very Suffolk-centric though. There is a lot less green space to exercise around here and the parks are pretty rammed, especially on the weekends.
I do agree in general though that exercise shouldn't be something to criticise people about, it's good for health and it's usually done completely safely. The only issue arises when people meet to exercise in larger groups - there is a basketball court in the local park and there must have been 30+ teenagers/young adults playing against each other there.
The examples you've highlighted though, exercise with one's bubble are absolutely fine.
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| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 12:51 - Jan 11 with 431 views | BlueBadger |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 12:46 - Jan 11 by StokieBlue |
I don't think that is going to come as a surprise to many unfortunately.
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Sadly, it's certainly not to us.
Handover Saturday night was pretty bleak with the various registers comparing notes as to how many patients they lost over the course of their recent on-calls. |  |
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| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 12:56 - Jan 11 with 421 views | peterleeblue |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 09:07 - Jan 11 by bournemouthblue |
It always annoys me when people start blaming each other, yes there is some personal responsibility but when most of the spread is in areas the Government can control and simply have chosen not to, it's their fault. I know that's tricky if you voted Tory at the last election, it's pretty embarassing if you voted Tory and now see the total mess they have made of this.
Would Labour have done any better? They'd have inherited the country after 10 years of austerity cuts which which will certainly have contributed to our handling of this
They wouldn't have privatised Test and Trace, that's for sure. They would probably have acted quicker and listened to the experts sooner and been less willing just to let the people use their 'common sense' as Boris did early on.
I can just imagine the headlines though
Marxist Corbyn spends how much on furlough?
What recession in 500 years, we told you Corbyn would bankrupt the country |
Labour are as much to blame for the fact that the Tory's are in power for genuinely believing that Corbyn could win an election.
I am a Labour voter having switched when Cameron clattered my kids with the excessive student fees. Starmer has his work cut out as throughout this Pandemic I have been underwhelmed by the quality of the shadow cabinet. |  | | |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 13:01 - Jan 11 with 419 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 12:56 - Jan 11 by peterleeblue |
Labour are as much to blame for the fact that the Tory's are in power for genuinely believing that Corbyn could win an election.
I am a Labour voter having switched when Cameron clattered my kids with the excessive student fees. Starmer has his work cut out as throughout this Pandemic I have been underwhelmed by the quality of the shadow cabinet. |
Student fees were introduced by a Labour government.
University education needs a full review. There are so many degree courses that really don’t warrant longer than two years. |  |
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| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 13:12 - Jan 11 with 414 views | peterleeblue |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 12:32 - Jan 11 by BlueBadger |
My on-the-ground experience is that our sickest patients are starting to show the words 'visited family at Christmas' or 'had grandchildren over at Christmas' in their clerking notes.
And by and large, they're not the frail elderly, they're reasonably fit 50 and 60 somethings. |
Unbelievable how moronic people can be!! | | | |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 13:15 - Jan 11 with 403 views | peterleeblue |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 13:01 - Jan 11 by Pinewoodblue |
Student fees were introduced by a Labour government.
University education needs a full review. There are so many degree courses that really don’t warrant longer than two years. |
I actually don't have a problem with Student Fees per se.
I have a problem with a the size of them £9k+ and the fact that when the increase came it was implemented within 12-18 months and not scaled up giving parents or students very little opportunity to make adjustments financial planning. | | | |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 13:27 - Jan 11 with 386 views | Funge |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 12:51 - Jan 11 by StokieBlue |
That's very Suffolk-centric though. There is a lot less green space to exercise around here and the parks are pretty rammed, especially on the weekends.
I do agree in general though that exercise shouldn't be something to criticise people about, it's good for health and it's usually done completely safely. The only issue arises when people meet to exercise in larger groups - there is a basketball court in the local park and there must have been 30+ teenagers/young adults playing against each other there.
The examples you've highlighted though, exercise with one's bubble are absolutely fine.
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Afternoon SB
Re: your first two paragraphs - all are fair points; I'm very conscious that Clissold Park (which I guess must be fairly close to you) will be relatively rammed at present. London living can't be particularly easy.
I guess my issue is more with the silliness demonstrated by Derbyshire police over the weekend, and, more pertinently, the tacit endorsement of these tactics by Handcock.
We just need to stick together for the next 6-8 weeks, and then I genuinely believe everything will get significantly better. |  | | |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 14:06 - Jan 11 with 375 views | factual_blue |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 12:32 - Jan 11 by BlueBadger |
My on-the-ground experience is that our sickest patients are starting to show the words 'visited family at Christmas' or 'had grandchildren over at Christmas' in their clerking notes.
And by and large, they're not the frail elderly, they're reasonably fit 50 and 60 somethings. |
You have spelt 'reasonably thick 50 and 60 somethings' slightly wrong. |  |
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| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 14:36 - Jan 11 with 364 views | bluelagos |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 10:07 - Jan 11 by GlasgowBlue |
I’m seeing widespread rule breaking that simply didn’t occur last time around. People in supermarkets cramming together, some without masks, teenagers in groups, middle aged men with nothing to do hanging out with each other.
And Professor Hugh Montgomery, chair of intensive care medicine at UCL seems to concur.
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"I’m seeing widespread rule breaking that simply didn’t occur last time around. People in supermarkets cramming together, some without masks"
Few points Glassers, and I am not saying you are lieing or looking to be untruthful.
1. Have you seeN it or are you "picking it up" from what you are hearing / reading? I am struggling to believe you are going into supermarkets more than once a week so that may mean you are extrapolating from what you have seen based on what you are hearing.
2. There may be (as Stokie often points out) a huge disparity in densely populated cities (Like Glasgow) compared to rural Suffolk so your experiences may indeed be valid, but not widespread. (same for mine)
3. Last time masks were not legally mandatory so without doubt there is more mask wearing now than in lockdown 1, irrespective of what anyone tells you / thinks. (Another example of confirmation bias - we grab hold of facts that agree with our beliefs and ignore others)
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| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 14:50 - Jan 11 with 355 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 14:36 - Jan 11 by bluelagos |
"I’m seeing widespread rule breaking that simply didn’t occur last time around. People in supermarkets cramming together, some without masks"
Few points Glassers, and I am not saying you are lieing or looking to be untruthful.
1. Have you seeN it or are you "picking it up" from what you are hearing / reading? I am struggling to believe you are going into supermarkets more than once a week so that may mean you are extrapolating from what you have seen based on what you are hearing.
2. There may be (as Stokie often points out) a huge disparity in densely populated cities (Like Glasgow) compared to rural Suffolk so your experiences may indeed be valid, but not widespread. (same for mine)
3. Last time masks were not legally mandatory so without doubt there is more mask wearing now than in lockdown 1, irrespective of what anyone tells you / thinks. (Another example of confirmation bias - we grab hold of facts that agree with our beliefs and ignore others)
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1. I’ve seen it. The roads are busier, the supermarkets are fuller and people aren’t bothering to sanitise or spray their trollers like they did before.
I live 15 miles away from Glasgow in a rural area. On my runs I’m seeing numbers of people “hanging out” that I didn’t see in March-July.
3. At work, the few people I saw without masks had lanyards explaining they were exempt due to medical reasons. I’m now seeing people brazenl not wearing masks in supermarkets when it is the law to do so. Mostly it’s a family of four, none of whom are wearing masks. |  |
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| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 14:58 - Jan 11 with 351 views | bluelagos |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 14:50 - Jan 11 by GlasgowBlue |
1. I’ve seen it. The roads are busier, the supermarkets are fuller and people aren’t bothering to sanitise or spray their trollers like they did before.
I live 15 miles away from Glasgow in a rural area. On my runs I’m seeing numbers of people “hanging out” that I didn’t see in March-July.
3. At work, the few people I saw without masks had lanyards explaining they were exempt due to medical reasons. I’m now seeing people brazenl not wearing masks in supermarkets when it is the law to do so. Mostly it’s a family of four, none of whom are wearing masks. |
I guess what I'd say is next time you go for a run, count them. Count how many people you see chatting or whatever they shouldn't be doing.
Then get on the web and work out how many people live along your journey. Cos you might find that say you saw 15 people doing x in the centre of a town with a population of 50,000 (or whatever).
Try and get some perspective of what you are seeing and it may reassure you that it isn't significant in the numbers.
Anyhow - accept what you are seeing, but not necessarily that it is as widespread as we think, if that makes sense. | |
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| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 15:01 - Jan 11 with 349 views | StokieBlue |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 14:50 - Jan 11 by GlasgowBlue |
1. I’ve seen it. The roads are busier, the supermarkets are fuller and people aren’t bothering to sanitise or spray their trollers like they did before.
I live 15 miles away from Glasgow in a rural area. On my runs I’m seeing numbers of people “hanging out” that I didn’t see in March-July.
3. At work, the few people I saw without masks had lanyards explaining they were exempt due to medical reasons. I’m now seeing people brazenl not wearing masks in supermarkets when it is the law to do so. Mostly it’s a family of four, none of whom are wearing masks. |
Whilst it is absolutely right to keep up the sanitising of things like trolleys and washing our hands the latest research seems to indicate that transmission through touch is very unlikely, certainly compared to respiratory transmission. A lot of advice was badly wrong around that at the start of the pandemic.
We should probably be doing all those things anyway though regardless of the pandemic.
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| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 15:10 - Jan 11 with 343 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 14:58 - Jan 11 by bluelagos |
I guess what I'd say is next time you go for a run, count them. Count how many people you see chatting or whatever they shouldn't be doing.
Then get on the web and work out how many people live along your journey. Cos you might find that say you saw 15 people doing x in the centre of a town with a population of 50,000 (or whatever).
Try and get some perspective of what you are seeing and it may reassure you that it isn't significant in the numbers.
Anyhow - accept what you are seeing, but not necessarily that it is as widespread as we think, if that makes sense. |
I can’t be any clearer than I have. I am seeing groups of people hanging out. Early in this lockdown.
I didn’t see this during the peak last year. It started happening more often in early June. Now it’s happening the first week of lockdown. | |
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| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 15:11 - Jan 11 with 342 views | WD19 |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 14:58 - Jan 11 by bluelagos |
I guess what I'd say is next time you go for a run, count them. Count how many people you see chatting or whatever they shouldn't be doing.
Then get on the web and work out how many people live along your journey. Cos you might find that say you saw 15 people doing x in the centre of a town with a population of 50,000 (or whatever).
Try and get some perspective of what you are seeing and it may reassure you that it isn't significant in the numbers.
Anyhow - accept what you are seeing, but not necessarily that it is as widespread as we think, if that makes sense. |
By definition the significant portion of the population following the advice to the letter wont be seen.......but the numbers who are not are clear to see.
Yesterday the queue for a local toy shop was round the block. Likewise the Next sale.
The supermarket is full of people in pairs.
The local skatepark was mobbed with families drinking coffee and having a chat. Hundreds of people.
None of this is 'against the law', but neither is it 'staying at home unless you absolutely need to go out'. |  | | |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 15:20 - Jan 11 with 336 views | bluelagos |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 15:10 - Jan 11 by GlasgowBlue |
I can’t be any clearer than I have. I am seeing groups of people hanging out. Early in this lockdown.
I didn’t see this during the peak last year. It started happening more often in early June. Now it’s happening the first week of lockdown. |
I accept that Glassers. The point I am trying (and clearly failing) to make is around the quantity and proportion of what you are seeing.
So here's an example, the Greater Manchester police in lockdown 1 stated they had stopped 100 gatherings that weekend. So outrage all round, 100 gathering of lockdown breakers. But think about it, most houses only have about room for about 20 people in your living room. So lets say there were 200 gatherings of 25 people. That's like 5000 piss takers. But Manchester has a population of over 1m. So that's not in any way typical of what most people are doing.
So I accept you are seeing rule breakers, absolutely What I don't accept is that it is typical of what most people are doing. Most people are following the rules, as they did in lockdown 1. | |
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| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 16:37 - Jan 11 with 315 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 15:20 - Jan 11 by bluelagos |
I accept that Glassers. The point I am trying (and clearly failing) to make is around the quantity and proportion of what you are seeing.
So here's an example, the Greater Manchester police in lockdown 1 stated they had stopped 100 gatherings that weekend. So outrage all round, 100 gathering of lockdown breakers. But think about it, most houses only have about room for about 20 people in your living room. So lets say there were 200 gatherings of 25 people. That's like 5000 piss takers. But Manchester has a population of over 1m. So that's not in any way typical of what most people are doing.
So I accept you are seeing rule breakers, absolutely What I don't accept is that it is typical of what most people are doing. Most people are following the rules, as they did in lockdown 1. |
It’s certainly not typical of what most people are doing but anecdotal evidence leads me to conclude that we are seeing far more people in the early stages of lockdown breaking the rules than we did last year.
As I said previously, it reminds me of late May/early June as opposed to late March.
More anecdotal evidence. I’m just back from a run. At the same stage of lockdown last year I had the roads to myself. Now I’m having to jump onto the verge time after time to avoid cars. And to top it off I passed a group of 5 or 6 middle class* women dog walkers in their Le Chameau wellies, all taking up the path chatting away with no distance between themselves.
*apologies for coming over a bit Banksy there. | |
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| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 16:44 - Jan 11 with 312 views | bluelagos |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 16:37 - Jan 11 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s certainly not typical of what most people are doing but anecdotal evidence leads me to conclude that we are seeing far more people in the early stages of lockdown breaking the rules than we did last year.
As I said previously, it reminds me of late May/early June as opposed to late March.
More anecdotal evidence. I’m just back from a run. At the same stage of lockdown last year I had the roads to myself. Now I’m having to jump onto the verge time after time to avoid cars. And to top it off I passed a group of 5 or 6 middle class* women dog walkers in their Le Chameau wellies, all taking up the path chatting away with no distance between themselves.
*apologies for coming over a bit Banksy there. |
And I'll bet you feel better for it, good on you. :-)
Listen mate - we are all proper shirty at the moment - I know I am. Not helped by the you know what - and we are all anxious at what may be going right or wrong. I just try not to overly stress about the things people are doing wrong when so many more are doing things right. | |
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| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 16:46 - Jan 11 with 310 views | giant_stow |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 16:37 - Jan 11 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s certainly not typical of what most people are doing but anecdotal evidence leads me to conclude that we are seeing far more people in the early stages of lockdown breaking the rules than we did last year.
As I said previously, it reminds me of late May/early June as opposed to late March.
More anecdotal evidence. I’m just back from a run. At the same stage of lockdown last year I had the roads to myself. Now I’m having to jump onto the verge time after time to avoid cars. And to top it off I passed a group of 5 or 6 middle class* women dog walkers in their Le Chameau wellies, all taking up the path chatting away with no distance between themselves.
*apologies for coming over a bit Banksy there. |
I didn't know you had middle classes up there - thought it was all either slums or landed aristos. |  |
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| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 16:48 - Jan 11 with 305 views | bluelagos |
| Chris Whitty's most significant non answer. on 16:46 - Jan 11 by giant_stow |
I didn't know you had middle classes up there - thought it was all either slums or landed aristos. |
Am guessing Glassers doesn't reside in the Gorbals. | |
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