| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:33 - Jan 29 with 1236 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:22 - Jan 29 by m14_blue |
Perhaps.
It’s certainly uncomfortable for us passionate remainers to see the EU acting like this and I do accept that the Brexit debate became equally tribal on both sides.
I just think there’s a massive difference between thinking Brexit is preposterous, and largely motivated by xenophobia and ignorance, and thinking the EU is perfect. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone eulogising about the EU on here, I’d be happy for you or J2 to point me in the direction of someone doing so. |
Brexiteers seem to want to define us as the opposites of themselves. They’re anti the EU, so we must be pro-EU. Which in my case isn’t true. Throughout all this nonsense the only thing I’ve been is anti-Brexit. Not because I’m pro-EU but because Brexit is a monumentally stupid idea, done for the wrong reasons that removes some of our rights and makes us poorer (socially, economically and politically).
They struggle with that concept though. They’re patriots, so we must be traitors aligned with the enemy. |  |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:33 - Jan 29 with 1235 views | J2BLUE |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:32 - Jan 29 by Lord_Lucan |
Not sure you can call these things U Turns, that' silly. Things are moving by the hour. |
Well whatever, credit where it's due. |  |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:34 - Jan 29 with 1235 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:19 - Jan 29 by m14_blue |
QED |
Oh I don't know....sometimes you just have to rip it up and start again. |  |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:37 - Jan 29 with 1224 views | J2BLUE |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:33 - Jan 29 by Swansea_Blue |
Brexiteers seem to want to define us as the opposites of themselves. They’re anti the EU, so we must be pro-EU. Which in my case isn’t true. Throughout all this nonsense the only thing I’ve been is anti-Brexit. Not because I’m pro-EU but because Brexit is a monumentally stupid idea, done for the wrong reasons that removes some of our rights and makes us poorer (socially, economically and politically).
They struggle with that concept though. They’re patriots, so we must be traitors aligned with the enemy. |
I don't want to fall out with people so i'm just not going to respond to this. | |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:39 - Jan 29 with 1215 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:33 - Jan 29 by Swansea_Blue |
Brexiteers seem to want to define us as the opposites of themselves. They’re anti the EU, so we must be pro-EU. Which in my case isn’t true. Throughout all this nonsense the only thing I’ve been is anti-Brexit. Not because I’m pro-EU but because Brexit is a monumentally stupid idea, done for the wrong reasons that removes some of our rights and makes us poorer (socially, economically and politically).
They struggle with that concept though. They’re patriots, so we must be traitors aligned with the enemy. |
For this stance to hold water, and believe me I did agonise over it, you have to believe that the EU is capable of reform...I decided it was not. | |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:39 - Jan 29 with 1215 views | bluejacko |
Well the original headline is a bit misleading! They were stopping vaccines going through the south to the north of Ireland and then on to the U.K. We are still getting our vaccines from the U.K. so all is well and I get my first dose next week 😀 |  | | |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:40 - Jan 29 with 1208 views | Lord_Lucan |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:31 - Jan 29 by jaykay |
i thought you voted to stay in or have i got that wrong |
Yes, I voted to stay. 100%
I am in favour of free trade, customs union, free movement. etc etc etc
But I have never been comfortable with The Stasi who are trying to run it. |  |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:40 - Jan 29 with 1203 views | Vic |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:32 - Jan 29 by Lord_Lucan |
Not sure you can call these things U Turns, that' silly. Things are moving by the hour. |
A-hem “ EU turn if you wan't to!”
But I totally agree with your comments on this! [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 22:45]
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:42 - Jan 29 with 1194 views | clive_baker |
F**k the EU, and f**k everyone who voted for them. |  |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:44 - Jan 29 with 1183 views | Vic |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:39 - Jan 29 by BanksterDebtSlave |
For this stance to hold water, and believe me I did agonise over it, you have to believe that the EU is capable of reform...I decided it was not. |
I was exactly the same, it was an incredibly tough decision - there was nothing idealistic in it for me. It was a judgement call and I was always 49/51 in my thinking and quite accept that I may have got it wrong. But I make Swansea right - many have become very polarized. | |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:54 - Jan 29 with 1147 views | pointofblue |
They're taking sweet time to reverse the oversight.
The EU, sponsored by Marcus Evans. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 22:55]
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:58 - Jan 29 with 1142 views | bluejacko |
You could look on the bright side IF we were still in the EU over 10% of our population would not have been vaccinated yet. | | | |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:59 - Jan 29 with 1128 views | Moriarty |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:30 - Jan 29 by pointofblue |
Ursula's been busy; apparently Johnson been's on the phone to her as well.
(Source: Laura Kuenssberg on Twitter) |
Not sure what you’re driving at. Are you suggesting Ireland had no role in the EU reversal or that our input is insignificant?
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/uknews/taoiseach-contacts-eu-over-attempt-to-bloc |  |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 23:02 - Jan 29 with 1124 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 22:44 - Jan 29 by Vic |
I was exactly the same, it was an incredibly tough decision - there was nothing idealistic in it for me. It was a judgement call and I was always 49/51 in my thinking and quite accept that I may have got it wrong. But I make Swansea right - many have become very polarized. |
The real irony is that it was probably the Lexit vote that gave the right their wet dream. Now if only the progressive left had taken the momentum rather than clinging to a warped globalist dream and criticising Corbyn for his 7/10! | |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 23:06 - Jan 29 with 1114 views | pointofblue |
Neither, I honestly didn't mean anything by the post - just that the EU's decision had both the UK Prime Minister and the Irish Taoiseach on the phone to the President of the Commission.
Sorry, I didn't mean any offence to be caused.  | |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 23:16 - Jan 29 with 1087 views | midastouch |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 21:33 - Jan 29 by Moriarty |
As I understand it, that’s the issue - that AZ can’t supply the required amount to both but has elected to apply all of the shortfall to the EU. It’s for the lawyers, but I’m not sure if as a matter of law, the timing of the contracts is the determinative factor. Both sides are entrenched.
The EU are saying they have paid to facilitate the production and supply and they now have a duty to their citizens. I think the way they have sought to do that, by blocking exports of the vaccine, is wrong, very wrong.
The U.K. have managed their vaccine roll out much more effectively and efficiently than the EU. It could be a factor as it will mean the U.K. economy will recover quicker. |
"It could be a factor as it will mean the U.K. economy will recover quicker."
As is forecast by the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR).
The UK’s economy will be 23pc larger than that of France by 2035 according to their latest forecasts. Although I take most economic forecasts with a pinch of salt as so many of them fall wide of the mark.
Sterling has certainly outperformed the Euro so far this year as this chart shows:
The following is taken from this link: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/uk-economy-to-outstrip-europe-over-next-15
“The UK economy continues to be one of the better performers in Europe despite Brexit,” a spokesperson for the CEBR said.
After four and a half years of political uncertainty surrounding trade conditions around Brexit, which many economists blame for weak business investment and tepid GDP growth, the Government sealed a trade agreement on Christmas Eve. The deal was described as a “huge relief” by Britain’s biggest business group.
The CBI added: “The UK has a bright future outside the EU and with a deal secured we can begin our new chapter on firmer ground.” |  |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 23:17 - Jan 29 with 1083 views | Moriarty |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 23:06 - Jan 29 by pointofblue |
Neither, I honestly didn't mean anything by the post - just that the EU's decision had both the UK Prime Minister and the Irish Taoiseach on the phone to the President of the Commission.
Sorry, I didn't mean any offence to be caused. |
None taken. Thanks for that.
The context to the NI protocol is that BJ held it to hostage during his Brexit negotiations with the EU, threatening to ignore it and break international law in the process. So his approach to the protocol wasn’t well received here. Republic of Ireland has always sought to protect it - always been its guardian angel so to speak.
In fairness to Arlene Foster, she got onto it as well.
Thankfully the EU have ceased today’s threats which were morally and legally wrong. | |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 23:22 - Jan 29 with 1063 views | pointofblue |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 23:17 - Jan 29 by Moriarty |
None taken. Thanks for that.
The context to the NI protocol is that BJ held it to hostage during his Brexit negotiations with the EU, threatening to ignore it and break international law in the process. So his approach to the protocol wasn’t well received here. Republic of Ireland has always sought to protect it - always been its guardian angel so to speak.
In fairness to Arlene Foster, she got onto it as well.
Thankfully the EU have ceased today’s threats which were morally and legally wrong. |
No problem; I should have really thought about how Johnson's actions would have been taken in Ireland; he certainly was complicit, at best, in using the situation as a pawn in a wider game.
I'm not to make sure of Arlene Foster but would be interested in your view - to me she would have been better off backing the Irish Backstop under Theresa May rather than arguing against it and instead getting something worse in it's place? But I might be way out with that. | |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 23:41 - Jan 29 with 1008 views | Moriarty |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 23:22 - Jan 29 by pointofblue |
No problem; I should have really thought about how Johnson's actions would have been taken in Ireland; he certainly was complicit, at best, in using the situation as a pawn in a wider game.
I'm not to make sure of Arlene Foster but would be interested in your view - to me she would have been better off backing the Irish Backstop under Theresa May rather than arguing against it and instead getting something worse in it's place? But I might be way out with that. |
I think Arlene is pragmatic. There are Ulster Unionists who recognise that the reality of Irish unity is very real, and, I’d guess (only guess) will happen in the next 10-20 years. There are others who don’t. Or won’t.
It’s natural to have unity sentiment (as an Irish person) but I could never support Sinn Fein/IRA, their activities or antics.
I hope (if and when it happens) that’s it’s not a triumphalist thing, and that the island, if and when united, is a welcome home for all traditions. | |
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 23:44 - Jan 29 with 1005 views | Churchman |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 23:17 - Jan 29 by Moriarty |
None taken. Thanks for that.
The context to the NI protocol is that BJ held it to hostage during his Brexit negotiations with the EU, threatening to ignore it and break international law in the process. So his approach to the protocol wasn’t well received here. Republic of Ireland has always sought to protect it - always been its guardian angel so to speak.
In fairness to Arlene Foster, she got onto it as well.
Thankfully the EU have ceased today’s threats which were morally and legally wrong. |
Thankfully they have appeared to have done just that. I can’t believe the EU were stupid enough to even think about giving it a go.
The fact that BJ threatened to do what he did last year and emptied the pail over his own head doing it makes the EUs effort today even more daft. Politicians the world over: what a dreadful breed they are.
It seems to me from this action that the EU intend to hold back Pfizer vaccine in the sure knowledge that at the very least the vulnerable in this country that will need a second dose at some point can be used as a bargaining chip. Nice. [Post edited 29 Jan 2021 23:45]
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| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 23:49 - Jan 29 with 993 views | pointofblue |
| The EU introduces controls to vaccines to Northern Ireland on 23:41 - Jan 29 by Moriarty |
I think Arlene is pragmatic. There are Ulster Unionists who recognise that the reality of Irish unity is very real, and, I’d guess (only guess) will happen in the next 10-20 years. There are others who don’t. Or won’t.
It’s natural to have unity sentiment (as an Irish person) but I could never support Sinn Fein/IRA, their activities or antics.
I hope (if and when it happens) that’s it’s not a triumphalist thing, and that the island, if and when united, is a welcome home for all traditions. |
I think Scotland and Northern Ireland will both leave the UK within the next 20 years. Not so sure about Wales but once they see the other two countries leave they may want too as well.
As I said, it strikes me that Arlene Foster made a strange decision when the DUP were a minority partner in British Government - by turning down the Backstop she basically voted away the powerbase once Johnson came in and called a further election. Maybe hindsight is a wonderful thing but the Backstop doesn't seem any worse than the protocol, albeit I am studying it from afar. | |
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