| Foreign Manager? 15:02 - Feb 2 with 1968 views | istanblue |
With few inspiring domestic options available to replace PL, is about time that Evans perhaps looked abroad for a new manager? Especially with this supposed desire to play 'attractive possession-based football', maybe a new man from the continent would fit the bill, rather than a bog-standard League 1 British manager. Look what Farke did at Norwich, or what Wagner did at Huddersfield. Maybe an up and coming manager looking to make their mark on English football is what we need? Thoughts?
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:05 - Feb 2 with 1559 views | OsborneOneNil |
Yeah, maybe go for Paulo Cookio. |  | | |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:07 - Feb 2 with 1539 views | DanTheMan |
I think because of Brexit that is much more difficult. We'd need to hire someone from a "top league", which is going to be hard for a club sitting in the third division. |  |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:08 - Feb 2 with 1532 views | clive_baker |
He tried that with Roy Keane.
Personally I think we need more than a football manager, we need an operator. Someone who wants a project, to be hands on across the whole club and take us forward. Someone who can shake things up in the short term and put smiles on faces and get the players expressing themselves. We seen to play with so much fear at the moment, completely within ourselves.
I don't care where they're from if they'll meet that brief. My knowledge of lower league foreign coaches isn't great, so if I was given the choice right now I would give it to Paul Cook, I think he ticks all of those boxes. |  |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:11 - Feb 2 with 1519 views | davblue |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:08 - Feb 2 by clive_baker |
He tried that with Roy Keane.
Personally I think we need more than a football manager, we need an operator. Someone who wants a project, to be hands on across the whole club and take us forward. Someone who can shake things up in the short term and put smiles on faces and get the players expressing themselves. We seen to play with so much fear at the moment, completely within ourselves.
I don't care where they're from if they'll meet that brief. My knowledge of lower league foreign coaches isn't great, so if I was given the choice right now I would give it to Paul Cook, I think he ticks all of those boxes. |
Having watched the Cowley interview with Coaches Voice they could bring that dynamic here. |  | | |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:14 - Feb 2 with 1506 views | homer_123 |
We've already got one. |  |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:14 - Feb 2 with 1503 views | Mookamoo |
He tried the old war horse with Mick and it fizzled out. He tried the young up and coming type with Hurst which didn't work and he tried someone who with a history of promotions which isn't working.
Why not go foreign? |  | | |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:15 - Feb 2 with 1498 views | Swansea_Blue |
I don't really care too much where they come from. I'd just like us to show a bit of imagination.
I compare what's happened to us to how Swansea have gone about their business down here and it makes me want to cry. They (mostly) continually pluck managers from nowhere who go on to do good things in the game. This year, with Cooper - nobody outside of the England youth setup would have heard of him before last summer. Most people probably still haven't unless they follow Championship football.
There's no way Evans would pick a manager like Cooper, with no club experience, never been promoted, etc. But then Swansea had the vastly experienced Trevor Birch as CEO advising them when that decision was made. Good judgement needs that insight, experience and ability to spot a good fit. We don't seem to have any of that.
Brentford have done the same. Even Watford, love them or hate them, went on a good run of form for many years despite changing their manager what seems like every 6 months.
We look at the Manager of the Year lists or ask 'arry (not Harry from Bath unfortunately; he'd probably advise better). |  |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:15 - Feb 2 with 1496 views | Metal_Hacker |
I'd have the type of football here tomorrow if I thought it were possible . Problem you have with your idea is that first we need the players that are comfortable to play that type of football
Players with the ball comfortable at their feet
Don't think we really have that many . We try playing our from the back with a centre back pairing and a goalkeeper where none are particularly comfortable with the ball at their feet |  |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:15 - Feb 2 with 1497 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:08 - Feb 2 by clive_baker |
He tried that with Roy Keane.
Personally I think we need more than a football manager, we need an operator. Someone who wants a project, to be hands on across the whole club and take us forward. Someone who can shake things up in the short term and put smiles on faces and get the players expressing themselves. We seen to play with so much fear at the moment, completely within ourselves.
I don't care where they're from if they'll meet that brief. My knowledge of lower league foreign coaches isn't great, so if I was given the choice right now I would give it to Paul Cook, I think he ticks all of those boxes. |
Any foreign coach used to working within that traditional European model of a head coach, sporting director, technical director etc is going to be like a fish out of water here. |  | | |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:16 - Feb 2 with 1496 views | SpruceMoose |
Based on nothing whatsoever other than a thorough disillusionment with the club, I don't want anyone who doesn't already have a place in their heart for the club. I don't care if it's Kuqi, or Dyer/Butcher or even fecking Pablo Counago, I just want someone who gives a damn. [Post edited 2 Feb 2021 15:17]
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:18 - Feb 2 with 1475 views | DanTheMan |
Just looked up the rules and this would be nigh on impossible given our current predicament.
Taken from an article from The Times:
The criteria for overseas managers is that they must have worked for three out of the previous five years in what is described as a “top league” – that covers 33 of the world’s main leagues but not Norway, Solskjaer’s native country, where he had managed Molde.
So there's no chance we're going to be hiring someone from abroad unless League One is a step up from one of those top leagues... | |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:21 - Feb 2 with 1457 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
The most important thing is to get the right manager.
If Pearson could be persuaded to come here, he would be a no-brainer to me and get him as fast as possible, even if it is only until the end of the season unless he can get us up.
Otherwise, I have no issue with Cook, Cowleys, Dyer and Butcher (I have warmed to the idea of them as time has gone on).
If you are looking foreign maybe Kuqi but that seems far more of a gamble to me. The advantage of most of these is that I don't think any of them would accept mediocre as being fine which seems to have been a problem for far too long now.
If you want to emulate the nodge model, they picked up some German reserve team manager. That either takes a great deal of research and assessment to get it right or an awful lot of luck. Considering how close he was to being sacked before he took them up last time too, it is far from a guarantee of success. We will not have been researching continental football in order to have already identified the next Jose Mourinho while he is still an interpreter or even the next Farke. We are more likely to get the next John Duncan, Ossie Ardilles or Egil Olsen going down that route. |  |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:29 - Feb 2 with 1417 views | gazzer1999 |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:16 - Feb 2 by SpruceMoose |
Based on nothing whatsoever other than a thorough disillusionment with the club, I don't want anyone who doesn't already have a place in their heart for the club. I don't care if it's Kuqi, or Dyer/Butcher or even fecking Pablo Counago, I just want someone who gives a damn. [Post edited 2 Feb 2021 15:17]
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We had that with Jim, but Evans didn't want that did he? thought going with the extra publicity that the Dark Lord gave to his empire, ( got a big name that put Marcus Evans at the forefront) free publicity.
For the record I totally agree with you about someone that has ITFC through and through. My choice would definitely come from within the current club/structure that knows all the failings of the past 10 or 12 years. I have concisely said this every time there appears a change of manager, surely from our past there is someone doing a job that could be better than what we have now. Dyer/Butcher would get my vote and some of our other greats could be got on board to assist, why leave it to just 2? Marcus Stewart as striker coach or Johnno the 2nd.
All hypothetical really as we know what's going to happen. |  | | |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:30 - Feb 2 with 1406 views | davblue |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:16 - Feb 2 by SpruceMoose |
Based on nothing whatsoever other than a thorough disillusionment with the club, I don't want anyone who doesn't already have a place in their heart for the club. I don't care if it's Kuqi, or Dyer/Butcher or even fecking Pablo Counago, I just want someone who gives a damn. [Post edited 2 Feb 2021 15:17]
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Marco Holster with vemund brekke skard as assistant? | | | |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:35 - Feb 2 with 1378 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:18 - Feb 2 by DanTheMan |
Just looked up the rules and this would be nigh on impossible given our current predicament.
Taken from an article from The Times:
The criteria for overseas managers is that they must have worked for three out of the previous five years in what is described as a “top league” – that covers 33 of the world’s main leagues but not Norway, Solskjaer’s native country, where he had managed Molde.
So there's no chance we're going to be hiring someone from abroad unless League One is a step up from one of those top leagues... |
Is that work permit rules presumably?
I guess the vast majority of foreign managers already in employment here will be allowed to continue. Would they be allowed to if they lost their current job or would that see them getting deported? | |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:36 - Feb 2 with 1378 views | SpruceMoose |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:30 - Feb 2 by davblue |
Marco Holster with vemund brekke skard as assistant? |
Throw Luciano Civelli into the mix and I'm sold. | |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:36 - Feb 2 with 1379 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:21 - Feb 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The most important thing is to get the right manager.
If Pearson could be persuaded to come here, he would be a no-brainer to me and get him as fast as possible, even if it is only until the end of the season unless he can get us up.
Otherwise, I have no issue with Cook, Cowleys, Dyer and Butcher (I have warmed to the idea of them as time has gone on).
If you are looking foreign maybe Kuqi but that seems far more of a gamble to me. The advantage of most of these is that I don't think any of them would accept mediocre as being fine which seems to have been a problem for far too long now.
If you want to emulate the nodge model, they picked up some German reserve team manager. That either takes a great deal of research and assessment to get it right or an awful lot of luck. Considering how close he was to being sacked before he took them up last time too, it is far from a guarantee of success. We will not have been researching continental football in order to have already identified the next Jose Mourinho while he is still an interpreter or even the next Farke. We are more likely to get the next John Duncan, Ossie Ardilles or Egil Olsen going down that route. |
Yes, plucking an unknown from anywhere requires insight and an ability to assess their character/suitability. The right connections help too no doubt.
We certainly don't seem to be good judge of suitability of fit. And I know ME has connections, but they don't seem to be providing good advice! | |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:37 - Feb 2 with 1369 views | rgp1 |
What about that Spanish fella who's doing quite well at Man city? Looks like he does his team talks in a cinema! | | | |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:39 - Feb 2 with 1361 views | DanTheMan |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:35 - Feb 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Is that work permit rules presumably?
I guess the vast majority of foreign managers already in employment here will be allowed to continue. Would they be allowed to if they lost their current job or would that see them getting deported? |
Indeed.
Not sure on the specifics about the ones who are already here, or what happens when they become unemployed. At a guess if they are unemployed and haven't been working in the past few years then they would not qualify.
But a lot of the talk in this thread about plucking some unknown manager (like Norwich did with Farke) just couldn't happen now as far as I can see. | |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:43 - Feb 2 with 1344 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:37 - Feb 2 by rgp1 |
What about that Spanish fella who's doing quite well at Man city? Looks like he does his team talks in a cinema! |
Never been promoted from an EFL league, so he must be rubbish. | |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:46 - Feb 2 with 1336 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:36 - Feb 2 by SpruceMoose |
Throw Luciano Civelli into the mix and I'm sold. |
Ulrich Le Pen and Tom Adeyemi could be fitness coaches. (Or is that rather unfair on both of them?) | |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:51 - Feb 2 with 1322 views | davblue |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:36 - Feb 2 by SpruceMoose |
Throw Luciano Civelli into the mix and I'm sold. |
We are onto something here. | | | |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:55 - Feb 2 with 1309 views | SpruceMoose |
| Foreign Manager? on 15:46 - Feb 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Ulrich Le Pen and Tom Adeyemi could be fitness coaches. (Or is that rather unfair on both of them?) |
Can they do it sitting down? | |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:58 - Feb 2 with 1300 views | TIB |
What happened to that manager in Holland we were linked with a while back? I’m interested in this Paulo Cookio that Osbourne has mentioned too... |  |
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| Foreign Manager? on 15:58 - Feb 2 with 1296 views | TieDyedIn95 |
We need Nigel Clough next season, we don't need an expensive import to do what he's already done with Burton on a fraction of the budget. He's the perfect fit for Town and this cause. Plus unlike the Cowley boys he actually plays football the right way. |  |
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