| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone 12:08 - Feb 11 with 3871 views | IP4_Blue |
to Evans/LON to moan about PL like they did with Hurst? |  | | |  |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 12:12 - Feb 11 with 3042 views | bluewein |
Seeing Norwoods thoughts on the Durham video, I doubt they actually give a flying one...
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 12:14 - Feb 11 with 3014 views | IP4_Blue |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 12:12 - Feb 11 by bluewein |
Seeing Norwoods thoughts on the Durham video, I doubt they actually give a flying one...
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Just seen that he's obviously joking but get your point | | | |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 12:46 - Feb 11 with 2839 views | Keaneish |
No. It’s almost guaranteed to create more problems and get him dropped. At 35 I’d want to play as many remaining games as I could. Plus, I doubt Chambers and Evans have much of a relationship. |  |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 12:56 - Feb 11 with 2766 views | pointofblue |
If Dozzell’s interview is anything to go by a few of them are residing in the land of delusion with Messrs Lambert and Taylor. | |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 12:58 - Feb 11 with 2750 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 12:12 - Feb 11 by bluewein |
Seeing Norwoods thoughts on the Durham video, I doubt they actually give a flying one...
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Wow, good to see the national press picking up on our plight:
ME isn't trying to build a strong club
PL isn't trying to build a strong first team
No identity
No strategy
No direction
No connection
No ideas
And soon we'll have no fans
Nail on the head imo, and probably in most of our opinions. The saddest thing about all of this is we've been watching it unfold in slow motion for years. Even Mick was only papering over the cracks. The underpinning strategy, direction and identity have never been here under Evans.
If this isn't enough for people to want Evans out, nothing ever will be. |  |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 12:58 - Feb 11 with 2744 views | ArnieM |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 12:56 - Feb 11 by pointofblue |
If Dozzell’s interview is anything to go by a few of them are residing in the land of delusion with Messrs Lambert and Taylor. |
I think its called "not sticking yer head above the parapet"! |  |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:01 - Feb 11 with 2722 views | hype313 |
Chambers is probably looking at the bigger picture these days regarding his post playing career, he might not want to upset the applecart and jeopardize his coaching career. |  |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:06 - Feb 11 with 2675 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 12:12 - Feb 11 by bluewein |
Seeing Norwoods thoughts on the Durham video, I doubt they actually give a flying one...
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I think the most poignant think to note is Norwood's comment was relating back to himself being perhaps called a big lump and NOT denying anything else
Perhaps he should've not said ANYTHING although glad he has
Sometimes silence is golden |  |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:21 - Feb 11 with 2581 views | RegencyBlue |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 12:58 - Feb 11 by Swansea_Blue |
Wow, good to see the national press picking up on our plight:
ME isn't trying to build a strong club
PL isn't trying to build a strong first team
No identity
No strategy
No direction
No connection
No ideas
And soon we'll have no fans
Nail on the head imo, and probably in most of our opinions. The saddest thing about all of this is we've been watching it unfold in slow motion for years. Even Mick was only papering over the cracks. The underpinning strategy, direction and identity have never been here under Evans.
If this isn't enough for people to want Evans out, nothing ever will be. |
I genuinely cannot see how anyone thinks Evans is anything but a disaster for this club.
Where would we be without him his supporters cry, whenever he is criticised. My question is where are we going to end up with him because if he doesn’t sell we have not hit rock bottom yet under this regime! |  | | |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:25 - Feb 11 with 2539 views | BseaBlue |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:06 - Feb 11 by Metal_Hacker |
I think the most poignant think to note is Norwood's comment was relating back to himself being perhaps called a big lump and NOT denying anything else
Perhaps he should've not said ANYTHING although glad he has
Sometimes silence is golden |
Exactly this! Whether he is joking or not its poorly judged at a time when the connection between the club and its fans is at its lowest! |  | | |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:33 - Feb 11 with 2479 views | itfcjoe |
I think their impact on Hurst is very much overplayed - but likes of Lee O'Neill will be well aware of the issues the players have with the management so Evans will know. |  |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:34 - Feb 11 with 2456 views | MrTown |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:01 - Feb 11 by hype313 |
Chambers is probably looking at the bigger picture these days regarding his post playing career, he might not want to upset the applecart and jeopardize his coaching career. |
Yeah to be fair, he could well be in with a a shout for the u9's in the near future. |  |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:36 - Feb 11 with 2441 views | hype313 |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:34 - Feb 11 by MrTown |
Yeah to be fair, he could well be in with a a shout for the u9's in the near future. |
Gotta start somewhere... | |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:44 - Feb 11 with 2390 views | clive_baker |
I have a little sympathy for Hurst. Don't get me wrong, he was a disaster, and he demonstrated some terrible man management, going about things in totally the wrong way. Not to mention his dealings in the transfer market that ultimately got us where we are today. His sacking wasn't a day too soon. But I do think he identified a culture of acceptance at the club and tried to do something about it. It needs to be more nuanced of course than your assistant telling your keeper a 3 x player of the season he's sh1t, but I do think there's a soft underbelly at the club. There's not much by way of accountability, failure seems to be accepted with little consequence. The culture is rotten from the top down, and it all smacks of going through the motions.
There seems to be such a degree of player power at the club, and no doubt there's some positive influence from many of them, but I do think we're as soft as sh1t. Call me old fashioned but there needs to be that leadership from management, towing that fine line between authority and maintaining strong relationships. MM seemingly got that bang on. I can't see any evidence the others have. The players don't respect Lambert, they don't like him either.
Pearson would sort this lot out. |  |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:49 - Feb 11 with 2333 views | hype313 |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:44 - Feb 11 by clive_baker |
I have a little sympathy for Hurst. Don't get me wrong, he was a disaster, and he demonstrated some terrible man management, going about things in totally the wrong way. Not to mention his dealings in the transfer market that ultimately got us where we are today. His sacking wasn't a day too soon. But I do think he identified a culture of acceptance at the club and tried to do something about it. It needs to be more nuanced of course than your assistant telling your keeper a 3 x player of the season he's sh1t, but I do think there's a soft underbelly at the club. There's not much by way of accountability, failure seems to be accepted with little consequence. The culture is rotten from the top down, and it all smacks of going through the motions.
There seems to be such a degree of player power at the club, and no doubt there's some positive influence from many of them, but I do think we're as soft as sh1t. Call me old fashioned but there needs to be that leadership from management, towing that fine line between authority and maintaining strong relationships. MM seemingly got that bang on. I can't see any evidence the others have. The players don't respect Lambert, they don't like him either.
Pearson would sort this lot out. |
That's a great post, I totally concur.
There hasn't been a winning mentality for a long time, even under Mick there seemed to be an acceptance of mediocrity, and this all comes from the top, ever since Evans realised it is easier said than done to get promoted to the PL, there seems to be an air of 'just do your best'
In every other sector, if you are constantly failing you get fired, if you're in sales and you miss target 3 months on the bounce you are out, if you're a Project Manager and you constantly go over the allotted project timeframe then it's goodbye.
Marcus needs to step up and not accept mediocrity and it needs to come from him, I'm not asking for Abramovich style sackings, but at least have some direction, rather than bimbling along in hope rather than expectation. | |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:50 - Feb 11 with 2321 views | ITFCBlues |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:33 - Feb 11 by itfcjoe |
I think their impact on Hurst is very much overplayed - but likes of Lee O'Neill will be well aware of the issues the players have with the management so Evans will know. |
Do the players have an issue with the manager? |  |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 14:00 - Feb 11 with 2242 views | hype313 |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:50 - Feb 11 by ITFCBlues |
Do the players have an issue with the manager? |
There was unrest in the summer, can't see how that has improved. | |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 14:01 - Feb 11 with 2242 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:44 - Feb 11 by clive_baker |
I have a little sympathy for Hurst. Don't get me wrong, he was a disaster, and he demonstrated some terrible man management, going about things in totally the wrong way. Not to mention his dealings in the transfer market that ultimately got us where we are today. His sacking wasn't a day too soon. But I do think he identified a culture of acceptance at the club and tried to do something about it. It needs to be more nuanced of course than your assistant telling your keeper a 3 x player of the season he's sh1t, but I do think there's a soft underbelly at the club. There's not much by way of accountability, failure seems to be accepted with little consequence. The culture is rotten from the top down, and it all smacks of going through the motions.
There seems to be such a degree of player power at the club, and no doubt there's some positive influence from many of them, but I do think we're as soft as sh1t. Call me old fashioned but there needs to be that leadership from management, towing that fine line between authority and maintaining strong relationships. MM seemingly got that bang on. I can't see any evidence the others have. The players don't respect Lambert, they don't like him either.
Pearson would sort this lot out. |
The 'leadership' is totally non-existent. The owner refuses to be held to account or give interviews unless the questions are pre-planned and scripted. The manager picks and chooses when he faces the press and when he does gives non-answers and reacts aggressively to any question he deems challenging. Any player that sticks their head above the parapet seems to be dropped subsequently. O'Neill doesn't seem to know an awful lot about anything important and any answer he does give is on-script.
Everything that comes out of the club is negative and we love pre-loading up the excuses. It's constant downgrading of and management of expectations from a 'leadership team' that have no coherent long term strategy or short term plan and as time goes by they seem to even less to try to hide it. They'd rather lower the bar than rise to the challenge of meeting the modest standards that the fans do still have. [Post edited 11 Feb 2021 14:02]
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 14:09 - Feb 11 with 2179 views | eddiespearitt03 |
Once this club releases Chambers/Skuse/Sears etc this club can move on and progress if the manager has any spark or strength to re-invent this club. Or have the guts to convince Evans it needs a change of direction.
Clear out a selection of the out of contract players and allow this club to breathe again under a new format. Release this club from all the bottom feeders sucking the finance and goodwill out of this club. | | | |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 14:10 - Feb 11 with 2171 views | MrTown |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:44 - Feb 11 by clive_baker |
I have a little sympathy for Hurst. Don't get me wrong, he was a disaster, and he demonstrated some terrible man management, going about things in totally the wrong way. Not to mention his dealings in the transfer market that ultimately got us where we are today. His sacking wasn't a day too soon. But I do think he identified a culture of acceptance at the club and tried to do something about it. It needs to be more nuanced of course than your assistant telling your keeper a 3 x player of the season he's sh1t, but I do think there's a soft underbelly at the club. There's not much by way of accountability, failure seems to be accepted with little consequence. The culture is rotten from the top down, and it all smacks of going through the motions.
There seems to be such a degree of player power at the club, and no doubt there's some positive influence from many of them, but I do think we're as soft as sh1t. Call me old fashioned but there needs to be that leadership from management, towing that fine line between authority and maintaining strong relationships. MM seemingly got that bang on. I can't see any evidence the others have. The players don't respect Lambert, they don't like him either.
Pearson would sort this lot out. |
Of course he did. A chap on BBC Radio Suffolk mentioned it the other day. The players don't play with pressure, or expectation, or ambition.
It's just little old Ipswich out in the country. Nice little football club, turn up and have kick about, go home. Not real ambition, or expectation, vision or structure anymore.
An acceptance culture. Nice little gig, pays good dough at this level.
Club needs such a clear out, and a restructure, a vision for the future.
But I don't trust anyone involved with the first team to be able to rebuild successfully. [Post edited 11 Feb 2021 14:12]
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 14:13 - Feb 11 with 2145 views | gordon |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:44 - Feb 11 by clive_baker |
I have a little sympathy for Hurst. Don't get me wrong, he was a disaster, and he demonstrated some terrible man management, going about things in totally the wrong way. Not to mention his dealings in the transfer market that ultimately got us where we are today. His sacking wasn't a day too soon. But I do think he identified a culture of acceptance at the club and tried to do something about it. It needs to be more nuanced of course than your assistant telling your keeper a 3 x player of the season he's sh1t, but I do think there's a soft underbelly at the club. There's not much by way of accountability, failure seems to be accepted with little consequence. The culture is rotten from the top down, and it all smacks of going through the motions.
There seems to be such a degree of player power at the club, and no doubt there's some positive influence from many of them, but I do think we're as soft as sh1t. Call me old fashioned but there needs to be that leadership from management, towing that fine line between authority and maintaining strong relationships. MM seemingly got that bang on. I can't see any evidence the others have. The players don't respect Lambert, they don't like him either.
Pearson would sort this lot out. |
Agree with some of that, but I don't think we need a manager to 'sort this lot out'.
We need Evans to take a step back from it all, employ a proper CEO and Director of Football to set the tone of everything that goes on in the club.
The last thing we need is to continually recruit 'big personalities' as manager who are given leeway to do as they please to fill in for the lack of accountability and leadership in the club. |  | | |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 14:19 - Feb 11 with 2086 views | gordon |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 14:10 - Feb 11 by MrTown |
Of course he did. A chap on BBC Radio Suffolk mentioned it the other day. The players don't play with pressure, or expectation, or ambition.
It's just little old Ipswich out in the country. Nice little football club, turn up and have kick about, go home. Not real ambition, or expectation, vision or structure anymore.
An acceptance culture. Nice little gig, pays good dough at this level.
Club needs such a clear out, and a restructure, a vision for the future.
But I don't trust anyone involved with the first team to be able to rebuild successfully. [Post edited 11 Feb 2021 14:12]
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The culture and identity of the club would be sorted if the right people were appointed in the right leadership roles, that's all that needs to change.
We don't need a 'clear-out' as such, although obviously the playing squad is too big and there are a fair few senior players who really don't have that much more to contribute at this level (Huws, Ward, Chambers, Judge, Skuse, Hawkins and Sears) and as ever, we've got loads of pointless loan signings kicking about the place. | | | |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 14:26 - Feb 11 with 2041 views | MrTown |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 14:19 - Feb 11 by gordon |
The culture and identity of the club would be sorted if the right people were appointed in the right leadership roles, that's all that needs to change.
We don't need a 'clear-out' as such, although obviously the playing squad is too big and there are a fair few senior players who really don't have that much more to contribute at this level (Huws, Ward, Chambers, Judge, Skuse, Hawkins and Sears) and as ever, we've got loads of pointless loan signings kicking about the place. |
It isn't going to happen under ME I'm afraid. His DoF become puppets with no power, he retains the final decision on all things, and his decision making is shambolic.
You need a DoF, Head of Recruitment, Head of Academy, and First Team Manager. You need successful people in them roles, pulling in the same direction for the same vision of the club, built on the same ideas - right now Bryan Klug is our only credible man, not good enough.
Players need to be cleared, a fresh start is much needed. | |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:08 - Feb 11 with 1837 views | RegencyBlue |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 14:09 - Feb 11 by eddiespearitt03 |
Once this club releases Chambers/Skuse/Sears etc this club can move on and progress if the manager has any spark or strength to re-invent this club. Or have the guts to convince Evans it needs a change of direction.
Clear out a selection of the out of contract players and allow this club to breathe again under a new format. Release this club from all the bottom feeders sucking the finance and goodwill out of this club. |
That will make no real difference at all.
Evans is the one constant in our relentless decline over the last 13 years and what we see before us today is his mess. Nothing will change whilst he remains our owner. | | | |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:11 - Feb 11 with 1825 views | itfcjoe |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:44 - Feb 11 by clive_baker |
I have a little sympathy for Hurst. Don't get me wrong, he was a disaster, and he demonstrated some terrible man management, going about things in totally the wrong way. Not to mention his dealings in the transfer market that ultimately got us where we are today. His sacking wasn't a day too soon. But I do think he identified a culture of acceptance at the club and tried to do something about it. It needs to be more nuanced of course than your assistant telling your keeper a 3 x player of the season he's sh1t, but I do think there's a soft underbelly at the club. There's not much by way of accountability, failure seems to be accepted with little consequence. The culture is rotten from the top down, and it all smacks of going through the motions.
There seems to be such a degree of player power at the club, and no doubt there's some positive influence from many of them, but I do think we're as soft as sh1t. Call me old fashioned but there needs to be that leadership from management, towing that fine line between authority and maintaining strong relationships. MM seemingly got that bang on. I can't see any evidence the others have. The players don't respect Lambert, they don't like him either.
Pearson would sort this lot out. |
This is why it's so important to get a new man in ASAP, so that they can begin to rebuild the culture and also have a few months to assess who is going to be part of that next season and who isn't - those clamouring for Chambers, Skuse, Sears, Huws, Judge, Toto and every other senior player to be released will likely be in for a shock as to who a new guy will keep around.
The first 3 of those helped clear out the culture from the Jewell era into the successful Mick times; but that has to be lead from above and there is and will continue to be a vacuum above the managers head.....so getting the right man is so important
It's a tough gig, it needs a good delegater who can manage up and down and engender respect from all the people they come across - Lambert is failing so badly in that respect.
Going back to Mick though, he'd turned around in 6 months - it should be even easier to do that at this level if we get the right man - but we need someone who will grab hold of the club from top to bottom - for me that is Danny Cowley or Nigel Pearson, they can demonstrably prove that is what they do....Pearson has done it a similarly sized clubs, Cowley has dome it at smaller sized ones. Pearson has the higher floor, Cowley the higher ceiling for me. | |
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