| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) 09:35 - Feb 19 with 3118 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
does anyone know about his home situation, like if his missus has had covid or he has a sick child etc? Would be very harsh by Lambert if there's more to this story we don't know about. |  |
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| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:00 - Feb 19 with 1218 views | CrockerITFC |
It's also a pandemic, right? So I'm completely on Nolan's side here, we shouldn't be encouraging pointless travel to have a replacement in case a substitute gets injured. Especially if he's been promised to be included in the team sheet. That's just poor man-management. |  | | |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:01 - Feb 19 with 1219 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 09:55 - Feb 19 by clive_baker |
He was dreadful against Sunderland and taken off shortly after half time. After that performance he had no right to be starting the next match.
On the face of it I'm with Lambert on that one. Some of these players need a rocket up them, it's far too easy to down tools and get another manager sacked, but at some point they need to take some personal responsibility. There seems to be the softest underbelly at this club. Whether you're in the squad or not, it doesn't mean you shouldn't have to travel with your teammates. It's not uncommon for players to feel unwell or get injured in the warm up. What does it tell you about the mentality of a player if they would rather not be there.
Of course you have to ask why they're so disengaged, and that ultimately comes back to the fraud of a manager. I would love to see a Nigel Pearson in there, he would shake things up. [Post edited 19 Feb 2021 9:56]
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I think it's probably more that he's clearly set out to be vindictive about it. You don't tell someone they are on the bench when you have no intention of them being and then on the morning of the game tell them. Poor man management and I'd imagine there are various examples of this over the past couple of years. |  | | |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:01 - Feb 19 with 1217 views | itfcjoe |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 09:55 - Feb 19 by clive_baker |
He was dreadful against Sunderland and taken off shortly after half time. After that performance he had no right to be starting the next match.
On the face of it I'm with Lambert on that one. Some of these players need a rocket up them, it's far too easy to down tools and get another manager sacked, but at some point they need to take some personal responsibility. There seems to be the softest underbelly at this club. Whether you're in the squad or not, it doesn't mean you shouldn't have to travel with your teammates. It's not uncommon for players to feel unwell or get injured in the warm up. What does it tell you about the mentality of a player if they would rather not be there.
Of course you have to ask why they're so disengaged, and that ultimately comes back to the fraud of a manager. I would love to see a Nigel Pearson in there, he would shake things up. [Post edited 19 Feb 2021 9:56]
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But it goes back to man management, if he's being dropped from the 18 then tell him - don't say he is in it, then change your mind before you travel and then basically tell him he's being punished once there......
Give him a few hours to stew on being 19th man on the coach |  |
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| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:02 - Feb 19 with 1205 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 09:57 - Feb 19 by Guthrum |
Yes. And tactical options.
But wouldn't it be reasonable to manage people's expectations beforehand (e.g. the reserves to know that will be their role)? |
Exactly, a quiet word in their ear explaining the decision but we need you as back up. Not revealing it on the day after you've travelled. It's common courtesy if nothing else. | |
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| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:04 - Feb 19 with 1194 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 09:40 - Feb 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I guess it's about team spirit. |
Well that's not working terribly well either! | | | |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:04 - Feb 19 with 1189 views | Darth_Koont |
Think this is also a reaction to Lambert having a gazillion players already and even bringing in new loanees in midfield after that.
If you’re a senior player like Nolan you’re probably wondering why getting into a non-performing side and getting a run of games is so damn hard. Not making the 18 adds insult to injury. |  |
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| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:04 - Feb 19 with 1187 views | footers |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:01 - Feb 19 by tractorboy1978 |
I think it's probably more that he's clearly set out to be vindictive about it. You don't tell someone they are on the bench when you have no intention of them being and then on the morning of the game tell them. Poor man management and I'd imagine there are various examples of this over the past couple of years. |
I'm definitely being thick here, but what is it with us and the manager telling the squad what the team will be on the day, or the day before? Hurst did it with Bart, famously. Do other teams do that as well? Why isn't the side named well ahead of time and the players coached to play together? |  |
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| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:05 - Feb 19 with 1181 views | Pinewoodblue |
Deflection tactics by Lambert, pure and simple.
Next U23 game is a few days away. Going to be a squad easy for Dyer and Butcher to motivate unless of course Lambert takes an inflated squad to Hull. |  |
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| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:06 - Feb 19 with 1176 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:01 - Feb 19 by itfcjoe |
But it goes back to man management, if he's being dropped from the 18 then tell him - don't say he is in it, then change your mind before you travel and then basically tell him he's being punished once there......
Give him a few hours to stew on being 19th man on the coach |
It's a lack of common decency and respect and the sort of action which doesn't just lose the respect of one player, it loses the whole squad - not that had any goodwill left with many of them anyway. | | | |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:07 - Feb 19 with 1158 views | JDB23 |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 09:57 - Feb 19 by Guthrum |
Yes. And tactical options.
But wouldn't it be reasonable to manage people's expectations beforehand (e.g. the reserves to know that will be their role)? |
Yes still crap man management but Nolan's reaction isn't great. All around pretty bad. | | | |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:08 - Feb 19 with 1154 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:00 - Feb 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Completely agree. I’ve defended Nolan on here in the past as I think he’s very underrated. But he’s paid very well. And part of his job is to travel with the squad. If he isn’t selected then he is still being paid.
As bad a manager as Lambert has been in his time here, I have some sympathy for his views re Nolan.
That said, if I was Lambert I’d have had this sorted out within days and got him back performing rather than completely isolating him. [Post edited 19 Feb 2021 10:03]
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Have you read what Joe and others have said? Lambert knew before travelling but told them when they were up there to make an example of him. Pathetic man-management. Whilst yes it is part of Nolan's job to travel, it would've been common courtesy to have a quiet word beforehand explaining the decision. If the team is released and Nolan finds out that way he's not in it, then I can understand him kicking off. Why the need to antagonise players? | |
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| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:09 - Feb 19 with 1140 views | Swailsey |
No issue here. I'm sure this sort of thing happens all the time.
The manager usually doesn't then come out ranting about it though. Pathetic, and clearly can't keep his house in order. |  |
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| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:11 - Feb 19 with 1129 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:01 - Feb 19 by itfcjoe |
But it goes back to man management, if he's being dropped from the 18 then tell him - don't say he is in it, then change your mind before you travel and then basically tell him he's being punished once there......
Give him a few hours to stew on being 19th man on the coach |
Also falls foul of Covid laws, you can only stay in a hotel for work purposes. Since Lambert appears to have had no intention of including him in the matchday squad then Nolan should have stayed at home. | |
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| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:15 - Feb 19 with 1102 views | PJH |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 09:42 - Feb 19 by Tangledupin_Blue |
Travelling to games as part of a squad, even if he is then left out of the 18, is his job. He is being paid to do exactly that when required. |
I agree otherwise all players could say before they get on the coach "Am I in the 18 because if not then I am going home."
Even if you have predecided the team and the subs you still need to have more than 18 players travel just in case someone is taken ill overnight or something. |  | | |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:16 - Feb 19 with 1100 views | clive_baker |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:01 - Feb 19 by tractorboy1978 |
I think it's probably more that he's clearly set out to be vindictive about it. You don't tell someone they are on the bench when you have no intention of them being and then on the morning of the game tell them. Poor man management and I'd imagine there are various examples of this over the past couple of years. |
Its desperation from Lambert at that point. He's used Nolan as a pawn and a sacrificial lamb to try and find favour among his teammates, doing the whole 'don't disrespect your teammates' routine. It might work if he's well thought of, but the fact the squad largely think Lambert is a massive fraud it clearly wont wash.
If Lambert's specifically told him he's in the 18 before they set off, and subsequently he isn't, that's poor management. |  |
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| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:22 - Feb 19 with 1076 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:15 - Feb 19 by PJH |
I agree otherwise all players could say before they get on the coach "Am I in the 18 because if not then I am going home."
Even if you have predecided the team and the subs you still need to have more than 18 players travel just in case someone is taken ill overnight or something. |
No-one's disputing that. It's the lack of common courtesy to have a word with the player explaining the decision, rather than waiting till the next day after you've travelled and announcing the team. And then to chuck the player in the reserves and spout about it to the press. It just lacks class. | |
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| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:22 - Feb 19 with 1074 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:16 - Feb 19 by clive_baker |
Its desperation from Lambert at that point. He's used Nolan as a pawn and a sacrificial lamb to try and find favour among his teammates, doing the whole 'don't disrespect your teammates' routine. It might work if he's well thought of, but the fact the squad largely think Lambert is a massive fraud it clearly wont wash.
If Lambert's specifically told him he's in the 18 before they set off, and subsequently he isn't, that's poor management. |
Judging by Tuesday’s performance it didn’t work. | |
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| Before everyone lays into Nolan (as it does sound pretty lame) on 10:36 - Feb 19 with 1027 views | J2BLUE |
Any other time I’d agree with Lambert but we are in a pandemic. Nolan had to put his family at risk for nothing. In covid times with seven subs I don’t see the need for a 19th man. If one falls ill and we go with 6 subs it’s not exactly going to do any harm.
I feel for Nolan here. A lot of risk for absolutely nothing. In normal times then yes he would be wrong. |  |
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