| Good 09:57 - Feb 26 with 7387 views | SitfcB |
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| Good on 10:34 - Feb 26 with 861 views | BiGDonnie |
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| Good on 10:34 - Feb 26 with 862 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Good on 10:19 - Feb 26 by Herbivore |
I'm not sure you understand how grooming works if you think that turning 18 means you're suddenly free of its effects. She spent a number of her most formative years living amongst ISIS and some time prior to that being groomed by them online. Nobody has done any work with her to try to reduce or reverse the impact of that. |
And in the last 18 months, she has talked out against ISIS, hence why she is at risk where she is |  | | |
| Good on 10:37 - Feb 26 with 845 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Good on 10:33 - Feb 26 by BiGDonnie |
She never has been, and never will be 'one of us'. |
Well she clearly was once. That's a simple fact. |  |
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| Good on 10:38 - Feb 26 with 839 views | footers |
| Good on 10:33 - Feb 26 by BiGDonnie |
She never has been, and never will be 'one of us'. |
This is a question of law, not your feelings. |  |
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| Good on 10:41 - Feb 26 with 831 views | WeWereZombies |
| Good on 10:21 - Feb 26 by Guthrum |
Grooming is an act of mental conditioning. Has she been deconditioned yet?
Look at those fanatical nazis who stayed completely loyal to the cause long after the war was lost and knowlege of the Holocaust had come to light (e.g. Hanna Reitsch, or Gudrun Himmler). |
Louis Theroux's second documentary on Jimmy Savile included interviews with a couple of people who had worked for Savile and who were convinced that the charges he was posthumously convicted of were all made up. And you could argue that they had not been groomed in the sense that young girls (and men) are worked upon intensively, they were just excluded from the sordid part of Savile's life and only saw the celebrity, one of them still felt aggrieved by being summarily dismissed by him after twenty five years of employment. Yet she still did not believe the charges!
To a lesser extent this can be seen in anyone who develops a fan following for a celebrity or cause, even in Ipswich Town supporters... |  |
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| Good on 10:44 - Feb 26 with 821 views | Herbivore |
| Good on 10:34 - Feb 26 by ElderGrizzly |
And in the last 18 months, she has talked out against ISIS, hence why she is at risk where she is |
Even if we have zero sympathy for her, which clearly many do, then being completely pragmatic about it if she is now denouncing ISIS then surely she could have some valuable information that could be shared with our security services? It takes a special kind of narrow-minded, vengeful individual to still want her to rot or be murdered in a refugee camp rather than being repatriated to stand trial for her crimes and to potentially offer useful information as well.
And to add another layer, surely it sends a better message to other disenfranchised British Muslims that the UK treats its citizens fairly and equally rather than turning its back on some of them as and when it suits? |  |
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| Good on 10:47 - Feb 26 with 791 views | chrismakin |
| Good on 10:44 - Feb 26 by Herbivore |
Even if we have zero sympathy for her, which clearly many do, then being completely pragmatic about it if she is now denouncing ISIS then surely she could have some valuable information that could be shared with our security services? It takes a special kind of narrow-minded, vengeful individual to still want her to rot or be murdered in a refugee camp rather than being repatriated to stand trial for her crimes and to potentially offer useful information as well.
And to add another layer, surely it sends a better message to other disenfranchised British Muslims that the UK treats its citizens fairly and equally rather than turning its back on some of them as and when it suits? |
Isnt the UK just protecting itself and for that we as a country should be grateful that we arent allowing these sort of risks back into the country?
Theres lots of " we should have done more" when you read about terrorists being released and then taking part in a uk bombing. So isnt this case just one of these where we are just protecting the uk. |  |
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| Good on 10:48 - Feb 26 with 807 views | footers |
| Good on 10:44 - Feb 26 by Herbivore |
Even if we have zero sympathy for her, which clearly many do, then being completely pragmatic about it if she is now denouncing ISIS then surely she could have some valuable information that could be shared with our security services? It takes a special kind of narrow-minded, vengeful individual to still want her to rot or be murdered in a refugee camp rather than being repatriated to stand trial for her crimes and to potentially offer useful information as well.
And to add another layer, surely it sends a better message to other disenfranchised British Muslims that the UK treats its citizens fairly and equally rather than turning its back on some of them as and when it suits? |
She went over there to support that barbaric regime, so I reckon we should let her rot in the desert to show them barbarians what civilisation looks like. | |
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| Good on 10:51 - Feb 26 with 797 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Good on 10:44 - Feb 26 by Herbivore |
Even if we have zero sympathy for her, which clearly many do, then being completely pragmatic about it if she is now denouncing ISIS then surely she could have some valuable information that could be shared with our security services? It takes a special kind of narrow-minded, vengeful individual to still want her to rot or be murdered in a refugee camp rather than being repatriated to stand trial for her crimes and to potentially offer useful information as well.
And to add another layer, surely it sends a better message to other disenfranchised British Muslims that the UK treats its citizens fairly and equally rather than turning its back on some of them as and when it suits? |
Some have said she has already been visited by our friends on the South Bank or their foreign compatriots.
But agree, she is much more useful here than being left at risk in a refugee camp. | | | |
| Good on 10:51 - Feb 26 with 795 views | Swansea_Blue |
I'm surprised the Supreme Court made this ruling though - it doesn't sound especially legally sound (says I with my VAST knowledge of the law on ISIS nutjobs  ). | |
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| Good on 10:53 - Feb 26 with 791 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Good on 10:51 - Feb 26 by Swansea_Blue |
I'm surprised the Supreme Court made this ruling though - it doesn't sound especially legally sound (says I with my VAST knowledge of the law on ISIS nutjobs ). |
Quite a few legal commentators appear surprised, especially as the Government potentially undermined the case with some of their 'musings' on it | | | |
| Good on 10:57 - Feb 26 with 781 views | ElderGrizzly |
And here is one of the Chief Twiterrati Racists with the comments below as expected
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| Good on 10:58 - Feb 26 with 765 views | BiGDonnie |
| Good on 10:37 - Feb 26 by Swansea_Blue |
Well she clearly was once. That's a simple fact. |
Not if you live in the real world lad. | |
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| Good on 11:06 - Feb 26 with 753 views | DanTheMan |
| Good on 10:58 - Feb 26 by BiGDonnie |
Not if you live in the real world lad. |
Could you explain how, pre-ISIS, she wasn't?
She was born and grew up in the UK. I don't understand how she wasn't. |  |
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| Good on 11:07 - Feb 26 with 749 views | footers |
| Good on 11:06 - Feb 26 by DanTheMan |
Could you explain how, pre-ISIS, she wasn't?
She was born and grew up in the UK. I don't understand how she wasn't. |
Moslem, innit. Bethnal Green isn't even really a part of London. | |
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| Good on 11:09 - Feb 26 with 750 views | Guthrum |
| Good on 10:47 - Feb 26 by chrismakin |
Isnt the UK just protecting itself and for that we as a country should be grateful that we arent allowing these sort of risks back into the country?
Theres lots of " we should have done more" when you read about terrorists being released and then taking part in a uk bombing. So isnt this case just one of these where we are just protecting the uk. |
Or, by leaving them at liberty elsewhere, are we allowing a threat to develop which we could otherwise keep a lid on by dealing with it in the UK (see the White Widow)?
Yes there are a handful of instances of released terrorists commiting violent acts. But what proportion is that of the several hundred who have passed through the system? Or, indeed, how many compared to atrocities perpetrated by people with no previous record, or who were only under observation? |  |
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| Good on 11:11 - Feb 26 with 736 views | 26_Paz |
Finally some common sense. |  |
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| Good on 11:13 - Feb 26 with 734 views | m14_blue |
| Good on 10:58 - Feb 26 by BiGDonnie |
Not if you live in the real world lad. |
Can you explain your reasoning lad? |  | | |
| Good on 11:13 - Feb 26 with 729 views | 26_Paz |
| Good on 10:10 - Feb 26 by snudge27 |
Maybe Paz can help us understand how it's a completely different thing entirely? |
I’m still living rent free in your head I see | |
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| Good on 11:14 - Feb 26 with 723 views | footers |
| Good on 11:11 - Feb 26 by 26_Paz |
Finally some common sense. |
Add it to the list of things you're very vocal about yet have very little understanding of. | |
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| Good on 11:27 - Feb 26 with 700 views | BiGDonnie |
| Good on 11:06 - Feb 26 by DanTheMan |
Could you explain how, pre-ISIS, she wasn't?
She was born and grew up in the UK. I don't understand how she wasn't. |
Pre Isis she was one of us.
You can't come back from the path she took it's as simple as that. Too dangerous. | |
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| Good on 11:27 - Feb 26 with 696 views | BiGDonnie |
| Good on 11:07 - Feb 26 by footers |
Moslem, innit. Bethnal Green isn't even really a part of London. |
Couldn't be further from the truth, but whatever floats your boat. | |
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| Good on 11:35 - Feb 26 with 679 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Good on 10:44 - Feb 26 by Herbivore |
Even if we have zero sympathy for her, which clearly many do, then being completely pragmatic about it if she is now denouncing ISIS then surely she could have some valuable information that could be shared with our security services? It takes a special kind of narrow-minded, vengeful individual to still want her to rot or be murdered in a refugee camp rather than being repatriated to stand trial for her crimes and to potentially offer useful information as well.
And to add another layer, surely it sends a better message to other disenfranchised British Muslims that the UK treats its citizens fairly and equally rather than turning its back on some of them as and when it suits? |
I would imagine our spooks have already rinsed her of any information that she was ever privy to. |  |
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| Good on 11:36 - Feb 26 with 678 views | DanTheMan |
| Good on 11:27 - Feb 26 by BiGDonnie |
Pre Isis she was one of us.
You can't come back from the path she took it's as simple as that. Too dangerous. |
But that's the opposite of what you said a second ago.
"She never has been, and never will be 'one of us'." | |
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| Good on 11:39 - Feb 26 with 669 views | WeWereZombies |
| Good on 11:35 - Feb 26 by GlasgowBlue |
I would imagine our spooks have already rinsed her of any information that she was ever privy to. |
Whilst she is stuck in a refugee camp with ISIS operatives watching her every move? That is quite an imagination you have there. | |
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