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Whilst I would quite happily see her rot in a cell for the rest of her life, removing citizenship is a slippery slope, and a tool that could be used for nefarious purposes in the future. She was born a British subject.
As far as I can see, they haven't stopped her appeal to regain her citizenship, they've just said she can't come back from the UK to do it, and will have to appeal while abroad.
It will be interesting to see what happens if and when she wins her appeal and gets her citizenship back.
Not sure who reported, it wasn’t me. I’m glad others are noticing the abuse though.
Pipe down Compo.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
On the contrary I think it is you who should cease your vile, unprovoked and abusive attacks.
No 'Sir'? Where have your manners gone!?
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Even if we have zero sympathy for her, which clearly many do, then being completely pragmatic about it if she is now denouncing ISIS then surely she could have some valuable information that could be shared with our security services? It takes a special kind of narrow-minded, vengeful individual to still want her to rot or be murdered in a refugee camp rather than being repatriated to stand trial for her crimes and to potentially offer useful information as well.
And to add another layer, surely it sends a better message to other disenfranchised British Muslims that the UK treats its citizens fairly and equally rather than turning its back on some of them as and when it suits?
" it takes a special kind of narrow-minded, vengeful individual to still want her to rot or be murdered in a refugee camp"
That's me then. Sorry but she would quite happily see human beings murdered in a most heinous way so let her rot.
" it takes a special kind of narrow-minded, vengeful individual to still want her to rot or be murdered in a refugee camp"
That's me then. Sorry but she would quite happily see human beings murdered in a most heinous way so let her rot.
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Gerry, I know we know the same people and I think we agree on quite a few things but I have to say I think you are wrong here.
Over the years I've got a bit limp wristed and I have to say that if we let her rot then we have lost the argument.
If we deem ourselves to be a civilised society then we should act like one.
This morning I was only slightly of the opinion that we should bring her home but after giving it more thought we should 100% bring her home. Even if we bang her up for years we should let her live in her country - albeit under lock and key.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Gerry, I know we know the same people and I think we agree on quite a few things but I have to say I think you are wrong here.
Over the years I've got a bit limp wristed and I have to say that if we let her rot then we have lost the argument.
If we deem ourselves to be a civilised society then we should act like one.
This morning I was only slightly of the opinion that we should bring her home but after giving it more thought we should 100% bring her home. Even if we bang her up for years we should let her live in her country - albeit under lock and key.
I suspect there is very little evidence to actually keep her banged up for all that long. Gathering reliable evidence from a war zone is not simple.
So the reality is likely to be releasing her into the community and then spending a Kings ransom monitoring her every move for the next 20 years.
Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it, but I can see why nobody is any rush to get on with it.
I suspect there is very little evidence to actually keep her banged up for all that long. Gathering reliable evidence from a war zone is not simple.
So the reality is likely to be releasing her into the community and then spending a Kings ransom monitoring her every move for the next 20 years.
Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it, but I can see why nobody is any rush to get on with it.
Leaving aside the arguments about her only being a child and being groomed etc. I personally don't think it's anymore complicated than the fact that she's the UK's problem, and the it's UK's responsibility to handle it. Clearly it's a very emotive subject though.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
It's very tempting to say let her rot and i'll admit a fleeting moment of joy at the quotes of her being angry, hurt and crying BUT the best anti terrorism people we can have are those who were on the other side and have seen the error of their ways. It's easy to say leave her but that sends a message to all the people thinking of joining these groups, it gives ammo to the recruiters and allows them to say "See? They don't care about you". If we could bring her back, get some intelligence out of her, de-radicalise her and have her work on our side it would be better all around.
She made things incredibly difficult for herself with her comments when they first found her. A few more years older, a bit more street smart and she would never have said those things.
I'm not going to lose sleep over her but i'm not sure we're handling it in the best way.
Gerry, I know we know the same people and I think we agree on quite a few things but I have to say I think you are wrong here.
Over the years I've got a bit limp wristed and I have to say that if we let her rot then we have lost the argument.
If we deem ourselves to be a civilised society then we should act like one.
This morning I was only slightly of the opinion that we should bring her home but after giving it more thought we should 100% bring her home. Even if we bang her up for years we should let her live in her country - albeit under lock and key.
Don't get me wrong i totally understand where you and others are coming from. I can see an argument for both camps. My problem is with our judiciary. I have no faith that she would be locked up for a long time.
Don't get me wrong i totally understand where you and others are coming from. I can see an argument for both camps. My problem is with our judiciary. I have no faith that she would be locked up for a long time.
How long should she be locked up for do you think?
How long should she be locked up for do you think?
The thing is, Begum really isn’t exceptional. Hundreds of Brits have gone out to join ISIS and subsequently returned, many of whom would have been far more directly involved with the more brutal aspects.
None of them had their citizenship revoked.
She’s being treated differently because her case was made famous in the papers and our populist government saw the chance to score a few political points. It’s disgraceful.
I’m less sure on the details of the Supreme Court ruling but it seems to boil down to the fact that the security services are saying they can’t defend our nation against this 21 year old woman. I suppose the court had to take them at their word but it does make you wonder what our £39bn defence budget is being spent on.
The thing is, Begum really isn’t exceptional. Hundreds of Brits have gone out to join ISIS and subsequently returned, many of whom would have been far more directly involved with the more brutal aspects.
None of them had their citizenship revoked.
She’s being treated differently because her case was made famous in the papers and our populist government saw the chance to score a few political points. It’s disgraceful.
I’m less sure on the details of the Supreme Court ruling but it seems to boil down to the fact that the security services are saying they can’t defend our nation against this 21 year old woman. I suppose the court had to take them at their word but it does make you wonder what our £39bn defence budget is being spent on.
Well quite. She went out there to be married off and bear children. As a 15 year old, that's the definition of CSE. And yet to hear some speak about her you'd think she was masterminding the entire operation of ISIS, ordering beheadings left, right and centre. I completely understand why people have no sympathy for her, but there's a difference between having no sympathy and basically wanting her to die in a refugee camp.
Part of me does wonder whether there'd be the same reaction if a white girl 15 year old girl had been groomed in the 80s to move to Ireland and marry an active member of the IRA. Would it have even made the press? If it did, would people be calling for her to be banged up for a long time? I doubt it, on both counts.
Gerry, I know we know the same people and I think we agree on quite a few things but I have to say I think you are wrong here.
Over the years I've got a bit limp wristed and I have to say that if we let her rot then we have lost the argument.
If we deem ourselves to be a civilised society then we should act like one.
This morning I was only slightly of the opinion that we should bring her home but after giving it more thought we should 100% bring her home. Even if we bang her up for years we should let her live in her country - albeit under lock and key.
My thought has always been that if a foreigner commits a crime in this country, they serve their sentence here, then should be deported back home.
So I believe it has to work the other way. She's our problem not Syria's. Let Syria try her and sentence her, then when it's finished bring her back to be tried for treason.
Alright, how about, she'll never be one of us again?
You especially have known me posting for years should know I'm not racist. There are numerous examples of white men joining Isis too, they're in he same boat as that bint.
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I know, which is why I wanted to clarify what you were saying. I didn't mean any ill will.
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