| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:02 - Mar 19 with 1845 views | itfcjoe |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 15:22 - Mar 19 by Dubtractor |
I'm a fully paid up member of the lefty bumfest, and I'm struggling with this one too.
I too think that the government should be held to account in due course, but if we're now getting it right at the moment, then that is something to be happy about! [Post edited 19 Mar 2021 17:09]
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I may have been looking at it kindly, and seeing that those in Europe now struggling means that their numbers will catch up with our poor 1st/2nd wave and then the overall numbers look comparable.
Means the Govt 'get away' with all the early mistakes because other countries having a poor vaccine roll out which means our figures see us fall back into the back by being out of twice.
I'd hope Smudge means that way |  |
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:07 - Mar 19 with 1829 views | Herbivore |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:04 - Mar 19 by longtimefan |
It’s good to recognise your own faults seeing as your part of the electorate with the rest of us  |
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:07 - Mar 19 with 1831 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 15:58 - Mar 19 by m14_blue |
You’re obviously fortunate enough to be far better at avoiding social media than I am.
I have to say, I haven’t seen anyone on here doing it but there’s no denying the barely disguised glee at every European f**k up, of which there’s been plenty. |
Ok, I get it; no I am not a social media animal and even limit my postings on here!
One of the issues of course is that folk remain anonymous. I so wish that it was not that way and we could all see who was posting what.
Social media does not however give a true representation of the British People and trust me when I say that most of us want the covid issue curtailed as much as possible world wide. |  | | |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:10 - Mar 19 with 1817 views | longtimefan |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:07 - Mar 19 by Herbivore |
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As I said, with rest of us  | | | |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:12 - Mar 19 with 1811 views | snudge27 |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:02 - Mar 19 by itfcjoe |
I may have been looking at it kindly, and seeing that those in Europe now struggling means that their numbers will catch up with our poor 1st/2nd wave and then the overall numbers look comparable.
Means the Govt 'get away' with all the early mistakes because other countries having a poor vaccine roll out which means our figures see us fall back into the back by being out of twice.
I'd hope Smudge means that way |
Precisely that.
Europe gets hit harder/for longer, whilst we're on course (so far, touch wood) to be sitting pretty by Summer.
As much as the Government would like it to be the case, it doesn't change one jot of how they acted until the vaccine changed everything. |  |
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:29 - Mar 19 with 1791 views | m14_blue |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:07 - Mar 19 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Ok, I get it; no I am not a social media animal and even limit my postings on here!
One of the issues of course is that folk remain anonymous. I so wish that it was not that way and we could all see who was posting what.
Social media does not however give a true representation of the British People and trust me when I say that most of us want the covid issue curtailed as much as possible world wide. |
I’m sure that’s true. | | | |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:38 - Mar 19 with 1782 views | GaryCooper |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 15:12 - Mar 19 by snudge27 |
At what point have I said that I didn't wish that we were currently making significantly better progress than the rest of Europe?
The point I'm making is that this shambolic Government and our utterly moronic electorate are going to think that a reasonably-competent finish to the whole thing will more than make up for the catastrophic mismanagement of the first twelve months of the pandemic, and the tens of thousands of deaths that could have been avoided if we hadn't had a bunch of corrupt fascists in charge. |
Highly intelligent citizens, such as people like you, should receive 10 votes in any election, the remaining 'utterly moronic electorate' only 1 vote each. They should lose that vote if they cannot spell Fascist without prompt.
That is the only way. |  | | |
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:39 - Mar 19 with 1779 views | Trequartista |
Your links are nicely presented, very tidy. That’s the only good thing I can say i’m afraid. |  |
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:46 - Mar 19 with 1758 views | chicoazul |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 15:12 - Mar 19 by snudge27 |
At what point have I said that I didn't wish that we were currently making significantly better progress than the rest of Europe?
The point I'm making is that this shambolic Government and our utterly moronic electorate are going to think that a reasonably-competent finish to the whole thing will more than make up for the catastrophic mismanagement of the first twelve months of the pandemic, and the tens of thousands of deaths that could have been avoided if we hadn't had a bunch of corrupt fascists in charge. |
Fascists hahahahhahaha |  |
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:50 - Mar 19 with 1746 views | Herbivore |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 16:46 - Mar 19 by chicoazul |
Fascists hahahahhahaha |
He's not a million miles away. | |
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 17:00 - Mar 19 with 1730 views | Pinewoodblue |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 15:23 - Mar 19 by snudge27 |
Moronic Electorate
Look at your typical Tory voter from the righter end of their support base. The Tories couldn't give a tinker's cuss about them, yet they've been hoodwinked into voting for them "because immigrants".
Corrupt
Let's try Matt Hancock's deals for his mates as a case in point?
Fascists
The Police, Crime, Courts and Sentencing Bill 2021 |
It isn’t those to the right of the Tory party that gave Johnson his big majority. In reality it was hoards of people who have never before voted for a Conservative candidate. They voted that way because they couldn’t see an alternative worthy of their support.
We are where we due to an inept/ out of touch opposition..hopefully that will change over the coming months / years but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Mistakes have been made and they have cost far too many lives, here, in Europe and across the world. |  |
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 17:01 - Mar 19 with 1729 views | StokieBlue |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 15:26 - Mar 19 by GeoffSentence |
I get it.
They have royally fwcked up virtually everything pandemic related, and in many cases to the profit of their chums and sponsors.
The vaccine roll out, however, has been a great success and they do deserve to be applauded for that, but that does not mean that they shouldn't be held to account for the early shambles. |
This is pretty much it.
There should be an investigation into the handling of the pandemic last year as well as one into the cronyism which certainly exists in the contracting process. That has to be done regardless.
Credit should be given for the vaccine rollout because the two things aren't mutually exclusive.
As an aside, I was listening to a More or Less the other week and using excess deaths as the benchmark (probably the most reliable one across different countries), on a per capita benchmark the UK isn't even in the top 10 countries in Europe for deaths even before a 3rd wave. I found that quite startling given the figures using the criteria the UK uses for C19 deaths puts us basically top.
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 17:37 - Mar 19 with 1690 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 17:01 - Mar 19 by StokieBlue |
This is pretty much it.
There should be an investigation into the handling of the pandemic last year as well as one into the cronyism which certainly exists in the contracting process. That has to be done regardless.
Credit should be given for the vaccine rollout because the two things aren't mutually exclusive.
As an aside, I was listening to a More or Less the other week and using excess deaths as the benchmark (probably the most reliable one across different countries), on a per capita benchmark the UK isn't even in the top 10 countries in Europe for deaths even before a 3rd wave. I found that quite startling given the figures using the criteria the UK uses for C19 deaths puts us basically top.
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What do they say about lies, damn lies and statistics! I personally do not think that because you have more or less deaths than another country is the issue here. It is/was always highly unlikely that all countries would 'account' in the same way.
I happen to believe that we need to explain eventually why are death toll is so high considering we were informed in the beginning that 20,000 deaths could be expected.
Too many on here see it as a personal crusade to achieve some sort of political retribution.
Mistakes have been made; we must learn from them and any retribution can be made through the ballot box if necessary. | | | |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 17:45 - Mar 19 with 1681 views | StokieBlue |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 17:37 - Mar 19 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
What do they say about lies, damn lies and statistics! I personally do not think that because you have more or less deaths than another country is the issue here. It is/was always highly unlikely that all countries would 'account' in the same way.
I happen to believe that we need to explain eventually why are death toll is so high considering we were informed in the beginning that 20,000 deaths could be expected.
Too many on here see it as a personal crusade to achieve some sort of political retribution.
Mistakes have been made; we must learn from them and any retribution can be made through the ballot box if necessary. |
For the 20,000 figure, I don't think any figures at the start of a pandemic can really be seen as firm. For instance, at the start we thought that C19 was easily passed on through surfaces hence all the cleaning but studies now show that it's highly unlikely to be passed on in that way. We simply didn't have enough information at the start to make accurate predictions. The variant was also a problem as it totally changed the level of restrictions required to get the R down.
Having said all that, an investigation into all aspects of the handling of the pandemic should and hopefully will happen so similar mistakes can be avoided in the future and anything corrupt can be dealt with in the correct ways.
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 17:49 - Mar 19 with 1675 views | tiptreeblue |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 15:20 - Mar 19 by snudge27 |
See above.
If you look at the news media you can see that the whole "...but look over there" effort is already being ramped up.
Of course I shall be delighted if the current progress continues, but that changes nothing as far as the criminal negligence and corruption of this Government throughout 2020 is concerned.
Getting out of this ahead of the rest of Europe doesn't wash the blood from Johnson's hands. |
So you think the countries who are going into a third lockdown, got it right then, wow. It shows that EVERY country made mistakes. Why not just keep your mouth shut for once? | | | |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 18:03 - Mar 19 with 1651 views | BlueForYou |
Christ mate. I think you need some happy pills. The most negative spate of posts for some time. Be grateful that we're doing OK for heaven's sake. It's not natural or healthy to wollow in political dogma. Life is for living! Fingers crossed we have a pathway forward. It's Friday so COYB! |  | | |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 18:11 - Mar 19 with 1642 views | Guthrum |
That is the wave we had in December/January now hitting the Continent.
And while the Government undoubtedly made mistakes which cost lives, there was never any chance we could have kept numbers down to, say, New Zealand levels. A major factor being we were hit by a much nastier strain of the virus (along with Italy - from whence our first infections came - Spain, Belgium and France), plus we did not have a single first cluster of cases, but instead it arrived at multiple points throughout the country. |  |
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 18:11 - Mar 19 with 1635 views | vapour_trail |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 15:59 - Mar 19 by snudge27 |
Forgive me for being mildly hacked off that, having lost three relatives to Covid in December/January, it seems like the Tories are lined up to come out of this smelling of roses because the electorate at large has the memory of a goldfish with Alzheimers.
The fact that we were still experiencing over 1,000 deaths a day during parts of January is utterly unforgiveable. |
Sorry to hear about your loss, that’s awful.
I think you’re probably correct in the point you make, and a shame you’ve been so widely mocked. I expect the press to protect the government and sell a false narrative to the electorate on the way out of this. |  |
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 18:23 - Mar 19 with 1620 views | StokieBlue |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 15:59 - Mar 19 by snudge27 |
Forgive me for being mildly hacked off that, having lost three relatives to Covid in December/January, it seems like the Tories are lined up to come out of this smelling of roses because the electorate at large has the memory of a goldfish with Alzheimers.
The fact that we were still experiencing over 1,000 deaths a day during parts of January is utterly unforgiveable. |
Sorry to hear of your loss, that must be horrible.
With regards to your last paragraph, what do you think should have been done? It's extremely hard to factor in unknown mutations into any planning, especially since the mutation made it much harder to restrict transmission.
I am hopeful that the mistakes which were made will be highlighted and there will be accountable but not everything can fall into that bracket.
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 18:35 - Mar 19 with 1595 views | m14_blue |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 18:11 - Mar 19 by vapour_trail |
Sorry to hear about your loss, that’s awful.
I think you’re probably correct in the point you make, and a shame you’ve been so widely mocked. I expect the press to protect the government and sell a false narrative to the electorate on the way out of this. |
Soz, accidental downvote.
Totally agree. | | | |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 18:37 - Mar 19 with 1586 views | monytowbray |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 17:00 - Mar 19 by Pinewoodblue |
It isn’t those to the right of the Tory party that gave Johnson his big majority. In reality it was hoards of people who have never before voted for a Conservative candidate. They voted that way because they couldn’t see an alternative worthy of their support.
We are where we due to an inept/ out of touch opposition..hopefully that will change over the coming months / years but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Mistakes have been made and they have cost far too many lives, here, in Europe and across the world. |
If a tree falls in the woods and no one's there to hear it was it Labour's fault?
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 18:39 - Mar 19 with 1674 views | Superfrans |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 15:22 - Mar 19 by usm |
Do you remember the media "but look over there" when our stats were worse than others?
It works both ways
And "criminal negligence and corruption"
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You don't think the current Government is corrupt? |  |
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 18:43 - Mar 19 with 1667 views | Manchesterblue |
So you want us to fail.
Damn those Torys and there unrivalled exit strategy, While we are at it damn the 52%. |  |
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| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 18:46 - Mar 19 with 1660 views | longtimefan |
| They're going to bl**dy get away with it, aren't they... on 17:37 - Mar 19 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
What do they say about lies, damn lies and statistics! I personally do not think that because you have more or less deaths than another country is the issue here. It is/was always highly unlikely that all countries would 'account' in the same way.
I happen to believe that we need to explain eventually why are death toll is so high considering we were informed in the beginning that 20,000 deaths could be expected.
Too many on here see it as a personal crusade to achieve some sort of political retribution.
Mistakes have been made; we must learn from them and any retribution can be made through the ballot box if necessary. |
We weren’t told there would be only 20,000 deaths, we were told by Patrick Vallance that only 20,000 deaths would be a “good outcome” if we handled things well. Guess what - we didn’t  | | | |
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