| Matt Slater... 14:27 - Mar 29 with 10065 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
Sorry if you're bored of take-over talk just thought id post this update.
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| Matt Slater... on 17:24 - Mar 29 with 3056 views | chrismakin |
| Matt Slater... on 17:21 - Mar 29 by itfcjoe |
He obviously believes in himself to turn it around and enjoys owning the club |
Perhaps the change in salary cap and obtaining PC's services, he believes we have a higher chance of promotion than we did this season. |  |
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| Matt Slater... on 17:25 - Mar 29 with 3055 views | J2BLUE |
| Matt Slater... on 17:18 - Mar 29 by dirtyboy |
I agree with you on way of running, I disagree heavily on budget.
Recruitment and long term strategy I do feel has been largely ineffective and I don't know why as I have no knoweldge of the internal workings of the club.
As a notel. When we were last in the Championship, our wages were just shy of £19m
Currently, we still likely have the highest wages in League One.
That last £19m we spent a few seasons ago would put us ahead of Barnsley's current wage bill and they sit 5th in the Championship and probably ahead of 8 - 10 current Championship teams.
So money perhaps isn't the issue here. Evans is supporting Ipswich Town financially quite well all things considered, but he's clearly not directing that money quite right.
Perhaps Evans was ready to sell under Lambert but sees something different with Cook and that is why he's holding off.
Perhaps a final roll of the dice for him?
Let's be honest, if Cook does by some miracle turn things around and Evans doesn't want to make the same mistake he made with not backing McCarthy at the right moment, then Evans is a good owner with deep pockets ....if he so desired. |
Add fees on and we're unlikely to be anywhere near Barnsley and certainly not above 8-10 clubs. I'd like to see the evidence for that one.
No doubt we have the biggest budget in league one. I've repeatedly said I expect Cook to get us up but long term we will continue to decline.
Remember this is about more than wages. This is about fees, investing in coaches and physios etc, investing in infrastructure and investing time. Evans refuses to delegate power (source: Phil) and the current structure just does not work. |  |
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| Matt Slater... on 17:26 - Mar 29 with 3049 views | itfcjoe |
| Matt Slater... on 17:25 - Mar 29 by J2BLUE |
Add fees on and we're unlikely to be anywhere near Barnsley and certainly not above 8-10 clubs. I'd like to see the evidence for that one.
No doubt we have the biggest budget in league one. I've repeatedly said I expect Cook to get us up but long term we will continue to decline.
Remember this is about more than wages. This is about fees, investing in coaches and physios etc, investing in infrastructure and investing time. Evans refuses to delegate power (source: Phil) and the current structure just does not work. |
If you take out the fact he hasn't previously empowered people - our budget stacks up against most of those in bottom half of Championship for transfer, wage and academy spending.
Barnesly trade a lot, but haven't spent huge amounts - especially net spend wise |  |
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| Matt Slater... on 17:48 - Mar 29 with 2974 views | J2BLUE |
| Matt Slater... on 17:26 - Mar 29 by itfcjoe |
If you take out the fact he hasn't previously empowered people - our budget stacks up against most of those in bottom half of Championship for transfer, wage and academy spending.
Barnesly trade a lot, but haven't spent huge amounts - especially net spend wise |
I'd like to see the stats for that because i'm genuinely surprised.
How the hell has it gone so badly wrong then? If that's true then MM in the last couple of seasons was only achieving par? | |
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| Matt Slater... on 17:50 - Mar 29 with 2975 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Matt Slater... on 15:04 - Mar 29 by PhilTWTD |
From what I hear the impasse was fairly significant as of last week. Obviously that could change but as it stands I think it's drifting. As I said before, we're now two weeks behind the timescale as it was initially laid out to me. |
Any ideas in what vicinity the impasse lies Phil? Is it price? Future payments should the club somw how ever make it to the promised land? The percentage Evans keeps? Something else? |  |
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| Matt Slater... on 17:56 - Mar 29 with 2962 views | PhilTWTD |
| Matt Slater... on 17:50 - Mar 29 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Any ideas in what vicinity the impasse lies Phil? Is it price? Future payments should the club somw how ever make it to the promised land? The percentage Evans keeps? Something else? |
I don't know the precise details, just that aspects of the valuation are under discussion still and that that's an element of the hold-up. Whether the two parties come to an agreement remains to be seen. Possible, but the whispers I hear suggest it's less likely than it once was.
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| Matt Slater... on 17:58 - Mar 29 with 2947 views | PhilTWTD |
| Matt Slater... on 16:48 - Mar 29 by itfcbishop |
Do you think owning ipswich town has a big effect on Marcus Evans Group? is making 8 million loss a year not bad considering the money made at Marcus Evans.
Yes Phil clutching at straws but i just can't understand why he keeps the club, he's obviously a clever man to have such a successful business. |
I've asked a few people about why he's still here and the consensus seems to be that he's determined not to be seen to have failed here and that he genuinely enjoys owning the club. | | | |
| Matt Slater... on 17:59 - Mar 29 with 2921 views | J2BLUE |
| Matt Slater... on 17:58 - Mar 29 by PhilTWTD |
I've asked a few people about why he's still here and the consensus seems to be that he's determined not to be seen to have failed here and that he genuinely enjoys owning the club. |
So why let a takeover get so far along?
His pride is going to doom us. So depressing. | |
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| Matt Slater... on 18:00 - Mar 29 with 2915 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Matt Slater... on 17:58 - Mar 29 by PhilTWTD |
I've asked a few people about why he's still here and the consensus seems to be that he's determined not to be seen to have failed here and that he genuinely enjoys owning the club. |
He might, we don't. | |
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| Matt Slater... on 18:05 - Mar 29 with 2883 views | chrismakin |
| Matt Slater... on 17:58 - Mar 29 by PhilTWTD |
I've asked a few people about why he's still here and the consensus seems to be that he's determined not to be seen to have failed here and that he genuinely enjoys owning the club. |
If that's true youd think after 13 years he would have figured out he needs to actually set the club up properly.
Ignoring the investment side... just getting the structure right would be a start. | |
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| Matt Slater... on 18:11 - Mar 29 with 2858 views | jayessess |
| Matt Slater... on 17:48 - Mar 29 by J2BLUE |
I'd like to see the stats for that because i'm genuinely surprised.
How the hell has it gone so badly wrong then? If that's true then MM in the last couple of seasons was only achieving par? |
2016-17: 17th biggest wage bill/16th in the league
2017-18: 17th/12th
2018-19: 17th/24th
Under MM we were always higher in the league table than we were on the wages table. Nothing other worldly in his last 2 seasons, but modest over-achievement.
The budget didn't 100% mean we couldn't compete with anyone in the Championship, but it was small enough that we didn't have much margin for error. |  |
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| Matt Slater... on 18:15 - Mar 29 with 2828 views | J2BLUE |
| Matt Slater... on 18:11 - Mar 29 by jayessess |
2016-17: 17th biggest wage bill/16th in the league
2017-18: 17th/12th
2018-19: 17th/24th
Under MM we were always higher in the league table than we were on the wages table. Nothing other worldly in his last 2 seasons, but modest over-achievement.
The budget didn't 100% mean we couldn't compete with anyone in the Championship, but it was small enough that we didn't have much margin for error. |
17th sounds a lot more realistic. | |
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| Matt Slater... on 18:15 - Mar 29 with 2828 views | NthQldITFC |
| Matt Slater... on 15:08 - Mar 29 by abracaDOBRA_ |
I really think it all depends on what league were in... don't think its a coincidence things started to slow when we hit form and got in the top 6. Evans suddenly thinking he could own a championship club in 3 months time |
But he owned a Championship club for 10 years or whatever it was, and even with the increasingly unlikely (to be kind) chance of getting back there this year, what on earth would make him think that under his type of regime, in an environment that is even tougher than it was back then, he would be looking at anything other than more abject failure. It is insane, if he truly pulled the plug on a deal for that reason. Insane. Masochistic almost. |  |
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| Matt Slater... on 18:17 - Mar 29 with 2833 views | PhilTWTD |
| Matt Slater... on 17:59 - Mar 29 by J2BLUE |
So why let a takeover get so far along?
His pride is going to doom us. So depressing. |
I assume what the consortium put on the table was worth him considering. | | | |
| Matt Slater... on 18:24 - Mar 29 with 2797 views | jayessess |
| Matt Slater... on 18:15 - Mar 29 by J2BLUE |
17th sounds a lot more realistic. |
It's the kind of budget where a well run club might hope to make the top half and a badly run club might expect to be fighting relegation. To get relegated dead last behind 2 clubs on the verge of collapse went beyond "badly run". | |
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| Matt Slater... on 18:27 - Mar 29 with 2786 views | itfcjoe |
| Matt Slater... on 17:48 - Mar 29 by J2BLUE |
I'd like to see the stats for that because i'm genuinely surprised.
How the hell has it gone so badly wrong then? If that's true then MM in the last couple of seasons was only achieving par? |
To be fair we were probably bottom 8-10 of the league, but any team in that position is teetering on the edge that one bad season and the whole thing crumbles down.....which it did.
With regards to the stats, just look to see who is backing these clubs, and how much they are putting in - very few have an owner owed £100m, because very few owners have that sort of wealth that Evans does.
If ME could find womeone to run the club smartly for him and continued to back to the levels he does, then we'd be fine - the plan, or lack of one, is by far our biggest issue. | |
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| Matt Slater... on 18:33 - Mar 29 with 2752 views | chrismakin |
| Matt Slater... on 18:27 - Mar 29 by itfcjoe |
To be fair we were probably bottom 8-10 of the league, but any team in that position is teetering on the edge that one bad season and the whole thing crumbles down.....which it did.
With regards to the stats, just look to see who is backing these clubs, and how much they are putting in - very few have an owner owed £100m, because very few owners have that sort of wealth that Evans does.
If ME could find womeone to run the club smartly for him and continued to back to the levels he does, then we'd be fine - the plan, or lack of one, is by far our biggest issue. |
Through the years any idea how our wages compared over the Burley royle years etc | |
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| Matt Slater... on 18:42 - Mar 29 with 2724 views | PhilTWTD |
| Matt Slater... on 18:27 - Mar 29 by itfcjoe |
To be fair we were probably bottom 8-10 of the league, but any team in that position is teetering on the edge that one bad season and the whole thing crumbles down.....which it did.
With regards to the stats, just look to see who is backing these clubs, and how much they are putting in - very few have an owner owed £100m, because very few owners have that sort of wealth that Evans does.
If ME could find womeone to run the club smartly for him and continued to back to the levels he does, then we'd be fine - the plan, or lack of one, is by far our biggest issue. |
Wage bill was 18th in the division for the last few seasons in the Championship so, as you say, we were always vulnerable to one bad season. | | | |
| Matt Slater... on 18:53 - Mar 29 with 2685 views | PhilTWTD |
| Matt Slater... on 18:33 - Mar 29 by chrismakin |
Through the years any idea how our wages compared over the Burley royle years etc |
It's impossible to compare the situations as finance in the Championship has changed so significantly over the last decade or so.
But when Joe Royle was here the wage bill was about £5 million a year with the club having to operate within its means. In 2018/19 the wage bill was £18.95 million, 106.97 per cent of turnover with ME covering the shortfall. That put us 18th in the division wages-wise with some clubs' wages at around £60 million.
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| Matt Slater... on 18:59 - Mar 29 with 2647 views | chrismakin |
| Matt Slater... on 18:53 - Mar 29 by PhilTWTD |
It's impossible to compare the situations as finance in the Championship has changed so significantly over the last decade or so.
But when Joe Royle was here the wage bill was about £5 million a year with the club having to operate within its means. In 2018/19 the wage bill was £18.95 million, 106.97 per cent of turnover with ME covering the shortfall. That put us 18th in the division wages-wise with some clubs' wages at around £60 million.
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That's actually quite interesting
Wasnt wandering to be able compare the two against each other. More of how footballs changed that much since Evans took over the club.
I.e when he sat down with sheekshanks. Would he have imagined he would end up looking at having an £18 million wage bill and it only being good enough to cover a lower div 1 club. [Post edited 29 Mar 2021 18:59]
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| Matt Slater... on 19:07 - Mar 29 with 2598 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Matt Slater... on 18:53 - Mar 29 by PhilTWTD |
It's impossible to compare the situations as finance in the Championship has changed so significantly over the last decade or so.
But when Joe Royle was here the wage bill was about £5 million a year with the club having to operate within its means. In 2018/19 the wage bill was £18.95 million, 106.97 per cent of turnover with ME covering the shortfall. That put us 18th in the division wages-wise with some clubs' wages at around £60 million.
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I think the wages as a % of turnover have often been over 100%. The real question is how does that compare to other clubs... gives a much better sense of how deep an owners is digging | |
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| Matt Slater... on 19:08 - Mar 29 with 2596 views | SenatorBlue |
| Matt Slater... on 18:05 - Mar 29 by chrismakin |
If that's true youd think after 13 years he would have figured out he needs to actually set the club up properly.
Ignoring the investment side... just getting the structure right would be a start. |
..and therein lies the issue. Last time we heard from the ME he insisted the structure was there. It’s not, hence why his investment has been totally ineffectual. His own fault, and it will never change, because he’s totally blind to it. |  | | |
| Matt Slater... on 19:17 - Mar 29 with 2574 views | ghostofescobar |
| Matt Slater... on 17:58 - Mar 29 by PhilTWTD |
I've asked a few people about why he's still here and the consensus seems to be that he's determined not to be seen to have failed here and that he genuinely enjoys owning the club. |
Truly baffling. Fairly sure he wouldn’t be enjoying it if fans had been in the ground this season. |  |
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| Matt Slater... on 19:29 - Mar 29 with 2531 views | DanTheMan |
| Matt Slater... on 17:58 - Mar 29 by PhilTWTD |
I've asked a few people about why he's still here and the consensus seems to be that he's determined not to be seen to have failed here and that he genuinely enjoys owning the club. |
"...that he's determined not to be seen to have failed here"
LOL |  |
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| Matt Slater... on 19:34 - Mar 29 with 2512 views | jayessess |
| Matt Slater... on 19:07 - Mar 29 by BlueandTruesince82 |
I think the wages as a % of turnover have often been over 100%. The real question is how does that compare to other clubs... gives a much better sense of how deep an owners is digging |
We were 11th in our last season in the Championship:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES0CpbMXkAAIDeC?format=jpg [Post edited 29 Mar 2021 19:34]
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