| Johnson being a complete Johnson 08:05 - Apr 26 with 7428 views | tractordownsouth |
Obviously it’s the Mail so a rather big pinch of salt is required, but even for him this is a low point.
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| Similar, but of course there were.... on 10:26 - Apr 26 with 2300 views | Bloots |
| What a country eh? (n/t) on 10:21 - Apr 26 by BlueBadger |
Voting and supporting this government is the politics equivalent of singing 'Two Little Birds' and waving a 'Lambo' banner. |
....numerous viable to alternatives for ITFC when Shambert was getting us relegated, so not exactly the same.
Boom. |  |
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| Johnson being a complete Johnson on 10:28 - Apr 26 with 2292 views | Oldsmoker |
| Johnson being a complete Johnson on 08:09 - Apr 26 by chicoazul |
I don’t understand
People here are always telling us the Daily Mail is full of lies and rubbish |
The Daily Fail now and then publish a front page that disparages a Conservative PM.
This is to remind the PM that the DM is in charge of the country not the PM. |  |
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| Agreed, but you know how.... on 10:33 - Apr 26 with 2265 views | Herbivore |
| Agreed, but you know how.... on 10:24 - Apr 26 by BlueNomad |
I agree and almost feel guilty in case I am being "superior" but the lack of genuine interest or concern amongst a large part of the population about those who slither their way into powerful positions is staggering.
I still know people who "like B*ris" (I never refer to him by his chosen name), think he's doing a great / impossible job and tell me that if I think he is so bad I should "toddle off and do better." |
The public is a sucker for a plummy accent and a quick one liner. Couple that with 'cheery optimism' and telling people what they want to hear rather than being honest with them and you have a potent mix for the forelock tuggers to get drunk on.
We have a born to rule and be ruled mentality in the UK and for all Johnson's numerous faults, he fits many people's perception of what the ruling class should look like: posh, privately educated, lacking any real world life experience, hapless, but gives off an air of faux naivety and affability that's just so darn hard to resist.
Couple that with people hating to admit they might have got it wrong in backing him, a stance entrenched by the culture war his government is trying very hard to sustain now Brexit is done, and you have a situation where Johnson could behead David Attenborough on live television and he'd see a boost in the polls for sticking it to the woke brigade. This is a man who lied to the Queen in an attempt to subvert democracy and went on to win an 80 seat majority just a few months later. The country has lost its head. |  |
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| Interestingly you've hit upon.... on 10:37 - Apr 26 with 2250 views | Bloots |
| Agreed, but you know how.... on 10:33 - Apr 26 by Herbivore |
The public is a sucker for a plummy accent and a quick one liner. Couple that with 'cheery optimism' and telling people what they want to hear rather than being honest with them and you have a potent mix for the forelock tuggers to get drunk on.
We have a born to rule and be ruled mentality in the UK and for all Johnson's numerous faults, he fits many people's perception of what the ruling class should look like: posh, privately educated, lacking any real world life experience, hapless, but gives off an air of faux naivety and affability that's just so darn hard to resist.
Couple that with people hating to admit they might have got it wrong in backing him, a stance entrenched by the culture war his government is trying very hard to sustain now Brexit is done, and you have a situation where Johnson could behead David Attenborough on live television and he'd see a boost in the polls for sticking it to the woke brigade. This is a man who lied to the Queen in an attempt to subvert democracy and went on to win an 80 seat majority just a few months later. The country has lost its head. |
....one of my irrational dislikes.
David Attenborough.
There's something about him that I don't like, can't put my finger on it though.
Joanna Lumley is another one. | |
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| Interestingly you've hit upon.... on 10:39 - Apr 26 with 2239 views | Herbivore |
| Interestingly you've hit upon.... on 10:37 - Apr 26 by Bloots |
....one of my irrational dislikes.
David Attenborough.
There's something about him that I don't like, can't put my finger on it though.
Joanna Lumley is another one. |
Yes, I think I've seen you say that before, possibly when I suggested he replace the Queen as caretaker head of state, and I remember it cementing my antipathy towards you then as well. | |
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| Then I suggest you go back.... on 10:42 - Apr 26 with 2216 views | Bloots |
| Interestingly you've hit upon.... on 10:39 - Apr 26 by Herbivore |
Yes, I think I've seen you say that before, possibly when I suggested he replace the Queen as caretaker head of state, and I remember it cementing my antipathy towards you then as well. |
....to ignoring me, just like you promised.
Gloria Gaynor.
Bye. | |
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| Interestingly you've hit upon.... on 10:43 - Apr 26 with 2214 views | BlueNomad |
| Interestingly you've hit upon.... on 10:37 - Apr 26 by Bloots |
....one of my irrational dislikes.
David Attenborough.
There's something about him that I don't like, can't put my finger on it though.
Joanna Lumley is another one. |
I think your antipathy towards Attenborough is a bit irrational - by any measure he must be considered a great man. Shame he isn't a politician - except he wouldn't have the sinister backers this current miserable lot do. |  | | |
| Meh, he just sits..... on 10:49 - Apr 26 with 2201 views | Bloots |
| Interestingly you've hit upon.... on 10:43 - Apr 26 by BlueNomad |
I think your antipathy towards Attenborough is a bit irrational - by any measure he must be considered a great man. Shame he isn't a politician - except he wouldn't have the sinister backers this current miserable lot do. |
...in jungles whispering and pointing at monkeys and reads scripts over brilliantly filmed clips of animals doing their stuff.
I don't get it. | |
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| Meh, he just sits..... on 10:58 - Apr 26 with 2182 views | mr_bean |
| Meh, he just sits..... on 10:49 - Apr 26 by Bloots |
...in jungles whispering and pointing at monkeys and reads scripts over brilliantly filmed clips of animals doing their stuff.
I don't get it. |
Replace "jungles" with "the house of commons". I think you'd get it then! |  | | |
| Good point! (n/t) on 11:03 - Apr 26 with 2163 views | Bloots |
| Meh, he just sits..... on 10:58 - Apr 26 by mr_bean |
Replace "jungles" with "the house of commons". I think you'd get it then! |
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| Johnson being a complete Johnson on 11:08 - Apr 26 with 2138 views | factual_blue |
| Johnson being a complete Johnson on 08:32 - Apr 26 by Herbivore |
His love of shagging around and creating a small village worth of fatherless households grates on their natural social conservatism I imagine. |
But he is a good egg really. |  |
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| What a country eh? (n/t) on 11:25 - Apr 26 with 2111 views | Darth_Koont |
| What a country eh? (n/t) on 10:21 - Apr 26 by BlueBadger |
Voting and supporting this government is the politics equivalent of singing 'Two Little Birds' and waving a 'Lambo' banner. |
Can you guess what trashing Mick (despite reversing a trend of slow decline) and making stuff up about him is like?
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| Interestingly you've hit upon.... on 11:38 - Apr 26 with 2090 views | chicoazul |
| Interestingly you've hit upon.... on 10:37 - Apr 26 by Bloots |
....one of my irrational dislikes.
David Attenborough.
There's something about him that I don't like, can't put my finger on it though.
Joanna Lumley is another one. |
It’s because you, like all other right thinking people, hate these elite class relics of Empire who think they know what’s best for everyone. |  |
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| Johnson being a complete Johnson on 11:38 - Apr 26 with 2094 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Johnson being a complete Johnson on 08:39 - Apr 26 by Steve_M |
Has Gove been busy talking to former colleagues this weekend? [Post edited 26 Apr 2021 9:41]
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Gove has been very very quiet the last few weeks. That isn't a mistake.
Those who brought Johnson to power aren't happy and Cummings is part of their 'inner circle'. Cummings also happens to be very good friends with the Goves.
And now it has been revealed Cummings has tapes supporting the Mail headline and various other 'not good for Boris' decisions made over the last 2 years. |  | | |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 12:13 - Apr 26 with 2036 views | HARRY10 |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 09:40 - Apr 26 by Bloots |
....which is the largest proportion of the electorate, will be confused for about 2 weeks.
Then the pubs will open up properly, McDonalds will reopen, the Euros will get going, they get their fortnight in Benidorm and they'll forget all about it. |
A very short term 'sugar rush' as what lies behind that is the running down of Covid grants and furlough money.
The selfish behaviour that saw so many voting for Brexit will be the same that gets upset when reality hits, as todays announcement reveal
"Sales of milk and cream to the EU are down an extraordinary 96 per cent — and chicken and beef by almost 80 per cent — because of Brexit, new figures show. Overall, the trade barriers erected in Boris Johnson’s deal have cost exporters more than £1.1bn since the start of the year, The Food and Drink Federation says."
"Dominic Goudie, the FDF’s head of international trade, said: “Exports to our biggest market, Ireland, have also dropped more than two thirds."
This kind of stuff takes a while to reach deep into the economy. And as with the failed, and now closed Pick for Britain, jobs vacated by Eastern Euroeans will not take up the slack. Those were jobs done by a highly mobile and flexible labour force who benefitted from low wages, when those wages translated into far more when shipped home. Not something that would be too attractive to those behind the so called 'red wall'.
And as farmers, fishermen, hauliers and exporters are discovering this is not a temporary 'blip' as with Covid - this is here to stay.
And the talk of the UK opening up again, will be for many, just one of the Job Centre doors opening up again. | | | |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 12:27 - Apr 26 with 1995 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 12:13 - Apr 26 by HARRY10 |
A very short term 'sugar rush' as what lies behind that is the running down of Covid grants and furlough money.
The selfish behaviour that saw so many voting for Brexit will be the same that gets upset when reality hits, as todays announcement reveal
"Sales of milk and cream to the EU are down an extraordinary 96 per cent — and chicken and beef by almost 80 per cent — because of Brexit, new figures show. Overall, the trade barriers erected in Boris Johnson’s deal have cost exporters more than £1.1bn since the start of the year, The Food and Drink Federation says."
"Dominic Goudie, the FDF’s head of international trade, said: “Exports to our biggest market, Ireland, have also dropped more than two thirds."
This kind of stuff takes a while to reach deep into the economy. And as with the failed, and now closed Pick for Britain, jobs vacated by Eastern Euroeans will not take up the slack. Those were jobs done by a highly mobile and flexible labour force who benefitted from low wages, when those wages translated into far more when shipped home. Not something that would be too attractive to those behind the so called 'red wall'.
And as farmers, fishermen, hauliers and exporters are discovering this is not a temporary 'blip' as with Covid - this is here to stay.
And the talk of the UK opening up again, will be for many, just one of the Job Centre doors opening up again. |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56885457 | | | |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 12:35 - Apr 26 with 1966 views | Darth_Koont |
This is growth emerging from the pandemic and lockdown restrictions. If that wasn’t going to be the biggest growth on record, literally nothing would.
Apart from maybe returning to the EU ... | |
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| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 12:39 - Apr 26 with 1949 views | HARRY10 |
Are you a brexiteer by any chance, you don't sound too bright ?
I expect almost every child in every Primary School will grow more than both you and me over the coming year
Are we to presume then that will make them all taller than either of us ? | | | |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 12:41 - Apr 26 with 1945 views | BlueBadger |
This is like saying that someone on a ventilator on 60% oxygen is 'getting better' faster than someone who is on 80%.
Technically, it's correct, but both are still pretty f**ked an highly unlikely to return to their former level of fitness. [Post edited 26 Apr 2021 12:44]
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| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 12:48 - Apr 26 with 1930 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 12:41 - Apr 26 by BlueBadger |
This is like saying that someone on a ventilator on 60% oxygen is 'getting better' faster than someone who is on 80%.
Technically, it's correct, but both are still pretty f**ked an highly unlikely to return to their former level of fitness. [Post edited 26 Apr 2021 12:44]
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Technically, it's correct, but both are still pretty f**ked an highly unlikely to return to their former level of fitness.
But EY expects that the UK economy will return to its pre-pandemic size in the second quarter of 2022 - three months earlier than previously forecast. | | | |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 13:07 - Apr 26 with 1909 views | HARRY10 |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 12:48 - Apr 26 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Technically, it's correct, but both are still pretty f**ked an highly unlikely to return to their former level of fitness.
But EY expects that the UK economy will return to its pre-pandemic size in the second quarter of 2022 - three months earlier than previously forecast. |
In your straw clutching desperation, you haven't really thought any of this through, as
Why should this forecast be any more accurate than the one it now replaces ? | | | |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 13:08 - Apr 26 with 1901 views | Herbivore |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 12:48 - Apr 26 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Technically, it's correct, but both are still pretty f**ked an highly unlikely to return to their former level of fitness.
But EY expects that the UK economy will return to its pre-pandemic size in the second quarter of 2022 - three months earlier than previously forecast. |
I'm sure that will be of comfort to the farmers and producers who have seen their businesses wrecked by Brexit. Make sure you send them that link so they know that everything is fine really. | |
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| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 13:18 - Apr 26 with 1874 views | HARRY10 |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 13:08 - Apr 26 by Herbivore |
I'm sure that will be of comfort to the farmers and producers who have seen their businesses wrecked by Brexit. Make sure you send them that link so they know that everything is fine really. |
The concern is that something so simple as this suggested growth is not understood by this chap.
Is it really a case of complete ignorance, or a wish to ignore the evidence and just cling to something that sounds good ?
My thought here being that it is similar to what drove brexit - a combination of both. | | | |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 13:19 - Apr 26 with 1872 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 13:08 - Apr 26 by Herbivore |
I'm sure that will be of comfort to the farmers and producers who have seen their businesses wrecked by Brexit. Make sure you send them that link so they know that everything is fine really. |
I agree wholeheartedly Herbivore. I am not trying to make out that all is going well in all industries. My main point is that whatever ones views and yes, you and I think differently, you can find something somewhere in some newspaper or journal that will suit most arguments.
Hartlepool and the local elections will be a good guide to where things stand at the moment, particularly with these allegations flying around. | | | |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 13:31 - Apr 26 with 1837 views | Herbivore |
| Nah, those that hero worship him..... on 13:19 - Apr 26 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
I agree wholeheartedly Herbivore. I am not trying to make out that all is going well in all industries. My main point is that whatever ones views and yes, you and I think differently, you can find something somewhere in some newspaper or journal that will suit most arguments.
Hartlepool and the local elections will be a good guide to where things stand at the moment, particularly with these allegations flying around. |
You do realise there's a difference between statistics based on events that have taken place - like exports, for example - and predictions about what might happen? There's quite a significant difference between the two. It's like actually holding a winning lottery ticket versus being told what a super computer has calculated the results will be this coming Saturday based on a range of complex variables.
I seem to recall Brexiteers being very vocal about Project Fear when economists predicted a recession post-Brexit, it's a bit disingenuous to then hold up forecasts from economists that look more rosy as being equivalent evidence to statistics based on real world data.
It's not a simple case of "you can find something somewhere in some newspaper or journal that will suit most arguments", some sources and some kinds of data are simply far more reliable than others. And therein lies one of the problems with how dumbed-down society has become. People have no real idea of how to appraise sources properly and posting links in lieu of a decent argument really won't do. | |
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