| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not 13:48 - May 13 with 5318 views | patrickswell |
As risky as this may seem, Cook has one big advantage over Keane and Hurst in that he has been able to assess the squad over a decent number of games. When he arrived, he set a target of making the top 6 at least and it was eminently achievable given the amount of games that were left and where we were placed. The squad failed to meet that challenge. We saw a number of listless performances and our second longest scoreless run in our history. I think that this allied with the previous 2 years of underperformance and failure has forced Cook’s thinking and he may well feel that it will ultimately be easier to succeed with a group of players who come in together and start working with no baggage, rather than trying to lift a squad of players who have been seemingly unable to motivate themselves under 3 different managers and at a lower level of football.
He’s seen what these players were like when there was an incentive to succeed and that the new manager bounce failed to materialise. He can’t trust them not to let him down again next season, so better to clear the decks and rebuild from scratch. At least he has some insight into the issues that were at the club. Keane and Hurst didn’t have that excuse. They failed to build relationships and made their judgements based on a mixture of their instincts and what they had seen during pre-season. The improvements they needed to engender were much smaller than the improvements Cook needs to produce, and I don’t think this squad by and large would be capable of producing that improvement together.
If the clearout happens, it will temper my expectations for next season as they will need to time to gel. Here’s hoping it ends up as a Blackpool or Lincoln scenario. |  | | |  |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 22:31 - May 13 with 1505 views | itfctilidie |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 22:24 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
That if we are sticking all eggs in the Cook basket and he can’t get it right we’ve got rid of a number of potential assets to go down that wrong path.
Giving a manager free reign on recruitment, if that is what happens, is usually a right that needs to be earned not given |
It isnt a free reign on recruitment. Ashton isn't just coming in to sit there and be told what to do by Cook.
What ever recruitment happens is going to have been planned and discussed not only by Cook but the powers above - there will be a clear plan identified and if Cook fails to deliver a new man will come in to deliver. |  | | |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 22:37 - May 13 with 1493 views | Vic |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 22:24 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
That if we are sticking all eggs in the Cook basket and he can’t get it right we’ve got rid of a number of potential assets to go down that wrong path.
Giving a manager free reign on recruitment, if that is what happens, is usually a right that needs to be earned not given |
Right. So a risk of lost time rather than a risk of further decline?
I appreciate that you have more inside knowledge of the club than many of us, but do you really think he’s being given a free reign on recruitment? I just can’t see that he’s doing this without the nod from Ashton and O’Leary. My guess is that he has the backing and assurance of really good finance to rebuild and that Ashton is confident (with all his considerable experience at this level) he can get the players in.
Like you I was shocked at the news that @ny player can leave. But the more I think about it, the more I’m settling on it! |  |
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 22:37 - May 13 with 1490 views | itfcjoe |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 22:31 - May 13 by itfctilidie |
It isnt a free reign on recruitment. Ashton isn't just coming in to sit there and be told what to do by Cook.
What ever recruitment happens is going to have been planned and discussed not only by Cook but the powers above - there will be a clear plan identified and if Cook fails to deliver a new man will come in to deliver. |
Well see that when we see who is recruited - if it is half a dozen players that have worked under Cook previously, and bearing in mind the new people including head of recruitment have barely got feet under table yet then we know who is driving it (for this window at least) |  |
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 22:44 - May 13 with 1454 views | chrismakin |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 22:37 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
Well see that when we see who is recruited - if it is half a dozen players that have worked under Cook previously, and bearing in mind the new people including head of recruitment have barely got feet under table yet then we know who is driving it (for this window at least) |
You would expect a manager to be involved though so it wouldnt be a shock to see ex players of his turn up.. is that any different to any other manager?
Mick... Berra for example.
We know PC has met with Ashton and o leary to discuss transfers on more than 1 occasion. So its safe to say there has been a plan discussed and put into action between the people you would want Involved. |  |
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 22:45 - May 13 with 1459 views | itfctilidie |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 22:37 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
Well see that when we see who is recruited - if it is half a dozen players that have worked under Cook previously, and bearing in mind the new people including head of recruitment have barely got feet under table yet then we know who is driving it (for this window at least) |
Cook is probably identifying targets - as you would hope a manager would be.
Some of these may be players who have worked under him before- The difference between Cook and Hurst is that players Cook has worked with before have won promotion from this division and held their own in the league above. Hurst's boys had played for him in the Conference at Grimsby and/or never played higher than league 1.
I totally get there is concern, I just think we have to trust the process.
Maybe you are privvy to some information to the club that I am not, and when the signings are announced maybe I will be underwhelmed too, but at the minute for me I havent seen anything in the last 3 years from any of the players to lose sleep over any of them leaving so I am in the 'it cant be any worse' mindset. | | | |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 23:01 - May 13 with 1441 views | Churchman |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 22:24 - May 13 by itfcjoe |
That if we are sticking all eggs in the Cook basket and he can’t get it right we’ve got rid of a number of potential assets to go down that wrong path.
Giving a manager free reign on recruitment, if that is what happens, is usually a right that needs to be earned not given |
I really don’t think the potential assets matter too much. The club is on a reset the likes of which none of us have ever seen. It’s going to be rocky, it’s going to be challenging, but I firmly believe that we just might be on the up for the first time for years.
I think a lot of thought has gone into what’s happening. I doubt that means Cook can do what he wishes recruitment wise. If he can and fails, he will be gone long before Christmas. |  | | |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 05:55 - May 14 with 1372 views | gordon |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 21:56 - May 13 by Vic |
It what ways is it a risk Joe? What’s the worst that can happen?
Not a wind up question, genuinely wondering what your fears are. I know you’ve posted about ripping the heart out of the club, and I get that to a degree, but what is the risk in what he’s doing? |
The approach we're taking will be far, far more expensive than just adding 5 or 6 quality players to what we had.
If we're then in a position where we have a massive wage bill, and we're losing eg 10 million a year, covered by the owners investing equity etc., then if we haven't gone up after two or three years, what is the pension fund going to do? [Post edited 14 May 2021 5:56]
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 07:30 - May 14 with 1337 views | itfcjoe |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 22:45 - May 13 by itfctilidie |
Cook is probably identifying targets - as you would hope a manager would be.
Some of these may be players who have worked under him before- The difference between Cook and Hurst is that players Cook has worked with before have won promotion from this division and held their own in the league above. Hurst's boys had played for him in the Conference at Grimsby and/or never played higher than league 1.
I totally get there is concern, I just think we have to trust the process.
Maybe you are privvy to some information to the club that I am not, and when the signings are announced maybe I will be underwhelmed too, but at the minute for me I havent seen anything in the last 3 years from any of the players to lose sleep over any of them leaving so I am in the 'it cant be any worse' mindset. |
I’m not privy to anything much in reality, think sometimes my views get overstated and misinterpreted in that way when they are usually just my opinions on what is happening.
I think it just feels that there was potential for a big enough clear out as it was, has we let the options expire on those who were renewed, we’d be down at about 15 players and of those 15 or so it includes players like Woolf, Dozz, Downes, Norwood, KVY, Dobra who I think most fans would agree could be part of something going forwards. It felt like we had key assets tied down and whilst a couple may have moved on if we wanted to (Holy, Cornell, Lankester, Nolan) and we have lost a couple if we got food bids like Downes then I think it would have given a big enough overhaul.
We are now in a position where some players who are worth something are so p155ed off that they won’t be able to play for Cook again. And recruitment goes from needing 8-10 which was a big ask, to needing 14-16 whixh is gargantuan | |
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 07:46 - May 14 with 1311 views | Vic |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 07:30 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
I’m not privy to anything much in reality, think sometimes my views get overstated and misinterpreted in that way when they are usually just my opinions on what is happening.
I think it just feels that there was potential for a big enough clear out as it was, has we let the options expire on those who were renewed, we’d be down at about 15 players and of those 15 or so it includes players like Woolf, Dozz, Downes, Norwood, KVY, Dobra who I think most fans would agree could be part of something going forwards. It felt like we had key assets tied down and whilst a couple may have moved on if we wanted to (Holy, Cornell, Lankester, Nolan) and we have lost a couple if we got food bids like Downes then I think it would have given a big enough overhaul.
We are now in a position where some players who are worth something are so p155ed off that they won’t be able to play for Cook again. And recruitment goes from needing 8-10 which was a big ask, to needing 14-16 whixh is gargantuan |
Pretty much agree with that. I’m v surprised at his willingness to let players like Dobra, Downes, Dozzell and Woolfie go, I just think that though they haven’t pushed on as they should have done they seem to have enough about them for me to think they are the kind of players that could, in a better team, start to shine and become the big money sales Ashton’s way of doing things thrives on.
So it looks like the reset is even harder than I personally expected. Without knowing how this has been communicated to the players, and without knowing the conversations between Cook and Ashton, etc, Were left to trust a management team that so far hasn’t pulled up any trees. And I think that is where the results since Cook came it kick it. Even the most optimistic off us have been underwhelmed at his inability to motivate a bounce. And that in turn undermines our trust in him. | |
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 08:56 - May 14 with 1283 views | Radlett_blue |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 15:47 - May 13 by Garv |
It's a bigger rebuild than those two tried/achieved though isn't it.
It's noteworthy, and alarming, how quickly Cook turned on the players. Keane famously transfer listed 3/4 players and said they'd never play again (I'm pretty sure they did), and I don't really recall Jewell taking the ripping up approach, so I'm not sure the situations can be compared.
It's hard not to feel uneasy about the notion of binning off basically the entire squad, though. |
Hurst wasn't really culpable in the dismantling of the Town squad; Webster was pretty much a done deal when he arrived, Mcgoldrick had almost gone. Garner wasn't irreplaceable & again Waghorn wanted to go. His problem was that he wasted his transfer kitty & a large part of the wage bill on a bunch of (at best) average League 1 players.
If Cook brings in better (or equivalent) players who will fit into his system & methods, we should be fine, although he needs to get them in for pre season. However, I still think his total clear out, or even the threat of it, is ill advised.
The other difference is that Cook has been successful at this level; Hurst had no experience above League 1. [Post edited 14 May 2021 8:58]
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 08:57 - May 14 with 1283 views | itfctilidie |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 07:30 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
I’m not privy to anything much in reality, think sometimes my views get overstated and misinterpreted in that way when they are usually just my opinions on what is happening.
I think it just feels that there was potential for a big enough clear out as it was, has we let the options expire on those who were renewed, we’d be down at about 15 players and of those 15 or so it includes players like Woolf, Dozz, Downes, Norwood, KVY, Dobra who I think most fans would agree could be part of something going forwards. It felt like we had key assets tied down and whilst a couple may have moved on if we wanted to (Holy, Cornell, Lankester, Nolan) and we have lost a couple if we got food bids like Downes then I think it would have given a big enough overhaul.
We are now in a position where some players who are worth something are so p155ed off that they won’t be able to play for Cook again. And recruitment goes from needing 8-10 which was a big ask, to needing 14-16 whixh is gargantuan |
I won't lie and say I am not a bit disappointed at losing some of our own homegrown players however another thing we need to consider is whether these players are happy. All of Downes, Dozzell, Wolfenden have all had reported interest in the past. They may not fancy another season in league 1 and want to try themselves at a higher level - purely speculation on my behalf - but in that case they are open to leave if the right price is on offer - We want players at the club who are 100% committed to the cause and not saying any of these players aren't as I don't know, but if they are swayed from moves elsewhere then it would give some context. I think the fact the club have been so quiet on the subject also adds another dimension of uncertainty.
I am reserving any concerns for the time being until I start seeing some solid links so I get an idea of what sort of market we are in and whether we are actually able to get deals done. I remember in the past things have dragged on for far too long - in the current scenario that would be a massive concern. | | | |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:05 - May 14 with 1273 views | chrismakin |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 08:56 - May 14 by Radlett_blue |
Hurst wasn't really culpable in the dismantling of the Town squad; Webster was pretty much a done deal when he arrived, Mcgoldrick had almost gone. Garner wasn't irreplaceable & again Waghorn wanted to go. His problem was that he wasted his transfer kitty & a large part of the wage bill on a bunch of (at best) average League 1 players.
If Cook brings in better (or equivalent) players who will fit into his system & methods, we should be fine, although he needs to get them in for pre season. However, I still think his total clear out, or even the threat of it, is ill advised.
The other difference is that Cook has been successful at this level; Hurst had no experience above League 1. [Post edited 14 May 2021 8:58]
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what did Hurst lose - 42 goals?
The pain of losing the likes of Waghorn was his goals and assists, even if you included our academy products.. we're not losing goals or assists this time round.
The difference in league you have already mentioned is a massive difference too | |
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:12 - May 14 with 1265 views | itfcjoe |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 08:57 - May 14 by itfctilidie |
I won't lie and say I am not a bit disappointed at losing some of our own homegrown players however another thing we need to consider is whether these players are happy. All of Downes, Dozzell, Wolfenden have all had reported interest in the past. They may not fancy another season in league 1 and want to try themselves at a higher level - purely speculation on my behalf - but in that case they are open to leave if the right price is on offer - We want players at the club who are 100% committed to the cause and not saying any of these players aren't as I don't know, but if they are swayed from moves elsewhere then it would give some context. I think the fact the club have been so quiet on the subject also adds another dimension of uncertainty.
I am reserving any concerns for the time being until I start seeing some solid links so I get an idea of what sort of market we are in and whether we are actually able to get deals done. I remember in the past things have dragged on for far too long - in the current scenario that would be a massive concern. |
We had £2m on the table for Downes last summer, £3m for Dozzell before that......Woolfie was rated as a '£10m player' by Lambert before that....
We won't get anything like that for any of them now, and I think players like Downes and Woolfie especially are the sort of players that one good season at this level, and even better one good season at the level above would see their values rocket upwards.
Downes may want to go, and in all the cases every player has a value and if it is met then they go......but when they've effectively been told to find new clubs then it's hard to then hold out for top money.
The proof of the pudding will be in the eating, but if those 3 go for knockdown prices then it will be a huge shame - it was only last year we scoffed at Brighton offering £400k for Dobra, we'll be lucky to get half that now. | |
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:24 - May 14 with 1237 views | Radlett_blue |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:12 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
We had £2m on the table for Downes last summer, £3m for Dozzell before that......Woolfie was rated as a '£10m player' by Lambert before that....
We won't get anything like that for any of them now, and I think players like Downes and Woolfie especially are the sort of players that one good season at this level, and even better one good season at the level above would see their values rocket upwards.
Downes may want to go, and in all the cases every player has a value and if it is met then they go......but when they've effectively been told to find new clubs then it's hard to then hold out for top money.
The proof of the pudding will be in the eating, but if those 3 go for knockdown prices then it will be a huge shame - it was only last year we scoffed at Brighton offering £400k for Dobra, we'll be lucky to get half that now. |
Indeed. While most of us welcome the new ownership & the rebuilding of a proper "football structure", my fear is that we're allowing the similar re-set & short termism that came with Keane, Jewell & Hurst. Cook has a record of success, but so did those 3.
If promising players are allowed to go cheaply (& we have already left money the table by keeping Jackson last summer) we could look really silly, although all will be forgiven if Cook's new squad storms to promotion. This makes keeping Drinan look even odder, unless Cook has seen something in his attitude which makes him believe he can prosper. | |
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:24 - May 14 with 1237 views | Steve_M |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:12 - May 14 by itfcjoe |
We had £2m on the table for Downes last summer, £3m for Dozzell before that......Woolfie was rated as a '£10m player' by Lambert before that....
We won't get anything like that for any of them now, and I think players like Downes and Woolfie especially are the sort of players that one good season at this level, and even better one good season at the level above would see their values rocket upwards.
Downes may want to go, and in all the cases every player has a value and if it is met then they go......but when they've effectively been told to find new clubs then it's hard to then hold out for top money.
The proof of the pudding will be in the eating, but if those 3 go for knockdown prices then it will be a huge shame - it was only last year we scoffed at Brighton offering £400k for Dobra, we'll be lucky to get half that now. |
Yes, if Cook fails then he won't be here very long. I still think that fear is behind his pushing so much blame onto the players and some of his erratic public comments ("I'm not going to throw the players under a bus, but....").
However if Cook does fail then we've lost the upside of some very promising players who have a ceiling far higher than where we are now. It has been frustrating to see Webster sold on for a lot more than we sold him for and I would expect similar over the next 18 months if we do let Downes, Dozzell and Wolfenden go cheaply.
They are all players who should be able to play a part in Phase II of this project, once we have been promoted back to the Championship. |  |
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:31 - May 14 with 1216 views | hype313 |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:24 - May 14 by Steve_M |
Yes, if Cook fails then he won't be here very long. I still think that fear is behind his pushing so much blame onto the players and some of his erratic public comments ("I'm not going to throw the players under a bus, but....").
However if Cook does fail then we've lost the upside of some very promising players who have a ceiling far higher than where we are now. It has been frustrating to see Webster sold on for a lot more than we sold him for and I would expect similar over the next 18 months if we do let Downes, Dozzell and Wolfenden go cheaply.
They are all players who should be able to play a part in Phase II of this project, once we have been promoted back to the Championship. |
Indeed, I'd like to see those actually play in a functioning team with direction behind them, unfortunately given the car crash that we have had under Hurst and Lambert these guys have essentially been trying to play in such an incoherent system, under a cloud of management and ownership.
If they stay and we have a fully functioning, forward thinking squad and they still struggle to perform then I don't think any of us could be forgiven to think it would be better if they were moved on.
But equally, I think we are all guilty of holding candles too long for our youngsters because of our history and DNA, I know I am, and to be fair they do get given plenty of slack from us due to the fact that they have come through the system, but essentially all I want is a successful side, PR bouncing, feel good factor, and if that comes from players outside the club and youth team then so be it. |  |
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:42 - May 14 with 1194 views | chrismakin |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:31 - May 14 by hype313 |
Indeed, I'd like to see those actually play in a functioning team with direction behind them, unfortunately given the car crash that we have had under Hurst and Lambert these guys have essentially been trying to play in such an incoherent system, under a cloud of management and ownership.
If they stay and we have a fully functioning, forward thinking squad and they still struggle to perform then I don't think any of us could be forgiven to think it would be better if they were moved on.
But equally, I think we are all guilty of holding candles too long for our youngsters because of our history and DNA, I know I am, and to be fair they do get given plenty of slack from us due to the fact that they have come through the system, but essentially all I want is a successful side, PR bouncing, feel good factor, and if that comes from players outside the club and youth team then so be it. |
"If they stay and we have a fully functioning, forward thinking squad and they still struggle to perform then I don't think any of us could be forgiven to think it would be better if they were moved on."
PC doesn't have that luxury of time though, there's already a group waiting for the first rough patch to happen in the new season so they can demand he leaves.. I couldn't see many saying " It's ok as he's using Downes, Bishop, Dozzell to see if they can make the step up with better players" | |
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:52 - May 14 with 1180 views | hype313 |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:42 - May 14 by chrismakin |
"If they stay and we have a fully functioning, forward thinking squad and they still struggle to perform then I don't think any of us could be forgiven to think it would be better if they were moved on."
PC doesn't have that luxury of time though, there's already a group waiting for the first rough patch to happen in the new season so they can demand he leaves.. I couldn't see many saying " It's ok as he's using Downes, Bishop, Dozzell to see if they can make the step up with better players" |
To be fair these are 3 guys in contract, so there should be some leeway in the fact that we should give them a chance. | |
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:57 - May 14 with 1164 views | chrismakin |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:52 - May 14 by hype313 |
To be fair these are 3 guys in contract, so there should be some leeway in the fact that we should give them a chance. |
I Downes, I actually think he would love him to stay, but as we know he is desperate to leave
on the others, we have seen him try the likes of Bish in various positions, dozzell - im still not sure better players would make that much difference to him, the negatives of his game for me aren't because of other players.. this might be why he's been old he can leave..
We won't know in the in's and out of course, but I can understand why PC wouldn't want to take un needed risks going into this season IF he's confident he has better players coming in. | |
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:58 - May 14 with 1164 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:52 - May 14 by hype313 |
To be fair these are 3 guys in contract, so there should be some leeway in the fact that we should give them a chance. |
They had their chance against Northampton, Wimbledon, Rochdale, Wigan. |  | | |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 10:12 - May 14 with 1140 views | Steve_M |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:31 - May 14 by hype313 |
Indeed, I'd like to see those actually play in a functioning team with direction behind them, unfortunately given the car crash that we have had under Hurst and Lambert these guys have essentially been trying to play in such an incoherent system, under a cloud of management and ownership.
If they stay and we have a fully functioning, forward thinking squad and they still struggle to perform then I don't think any of us could be forgiven to think it would be better if they were moved on.
But equally, I think we are all guilty of holding candles too long for our youngsters because of our history and DNA, I know I am, and to be fair they do get given plenty of slack from us due to the fact that they have come through the system, but essentially all I want is a successful side, PR bouncing, feel good factor, and if that comes from players outside the club and youth team then so be it. |
"But equally, I think we are all guilty of holding candles too long for our youngsters because of our history and DNA".
I think people forget how few games these players have played though:
- Wolfenden has had two seasons here in a position that players don't normally become good at until mid-20s.
- Dozzell. Injury hit career, and has made about half his career appearances this season, in this side and matured as a player despite that.
- Downes has played for four seasons now, had a poor season largely through injury but does anyone seriously not think he can play at least at Championship level in a good side?
It's a better argument in the case of Bishop though who is 24 and only played a substantial number of games in two seasons. He was very good at the start of this season though, until he got kicked off the pitch against Shrewsbury. | |
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| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 10:24 - May 14 with 1127 views | urbanblue |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:58 - May 14 by Mach_foreignBlue |
They had their chance against Northampton, Wimbledon, Rochdale, Wigan. |
Exactly ... I got up at 2am to watch all those games and they had the chance if not to put in a performance to at least show the right attitude.
That's a point a lot seem to be missing. Are these youngsters showing PC a willingness to work hard and improve. |  | | |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 11:36 - May 14 with 1079 views | pointofblue |
| Why Cook’s reset is justified where Keane and Hurst’s were not on 09:42 - May 14 by chrismakin |
"If they stay and we have a fully functioning, forward thinking squad and they still struggle to perform then I don't think any of us could be forgiven to think it would be better if they were moved on."
PC doesn't have that luxury of time though, there's already a group waiting for the first rough patch to happen in the new season so they can demand he leaves.. I couldn't see many saying " It's ok as he's using Downes, Bishop, Dozzell to see if they can make the step up with better players" |
I think the big thing is Downes and Woolfenden especially have shown that they can more than cut it at this level, and this was under the messy leadership of Evans and Lambert. If Cook can’t get a tune out of them, why? Is it his man management or have they been ground so low by everything happening here that they need a fresh start? We have to trust the process and we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes but it is difficult to see players with clear potential leave, whether they have come through the academy or been signed from another club. |  |
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