| They're not even trying anymore are they? 04:12 - May 28 with 8232 views | SpruceMoose |
Imagine being a man, recently and publicly accused of lying, telling more easy to fact check lies.
They don't care that we know they lie anymore. As a leftie I obviously know the Conservatives aren't to be trusted, ever, but how are Conservative voters themselves not bothered about being cucked every day by the guys they support, and quite often give their presumably hard earned money to?
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:02 - May 28 with 1466 views | gtsb1966 |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 16:57 - May 28 by SpruceMoose |
Based on what? |
It's just like the 90's. Tories been in too long and Labour have a new voice with a young dynamic leader. I could see history repeating itself. All irrelevant of course as Starmer is leader. Ive nothing against Starmer by the way i just think he's too wooden and doesn't resonate with the electorate. |  | | |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:04 - May 28 with 1452 views | SpruceMoose |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:02 - May 28 by gtsb1966 |
It's just like the 90's. Tories been in too long and Labour have a new voice with a young dynamic leader. I could see history repeating itself. All irrelevant of course as Starmer is leader. Ive nothing against Starmer by the way i just think he's too wooden and doesn't resonate with the electorate. |
I'm not fan of Starmer either.
But society has changed since the 90s. A simple leadership change isn't going to cut it for Labour anymore. | |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:06 - May 28 with 1437 views | pointofblue |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:04 - May 28 by SpruceMoose |
I'm not fan of Starmer either.
But society has changed since the 90s. A simple leadership change isn't going to cut it for Labour anymore. |
It didn’t in the 90s either - Blair had to overhaul Labour’s approach and image (aided before him by Kinnock and Smith) to have a chance. |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:07 - May 28 with 1436 views | bazza |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:10 - May 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
But flags.....so who cares....
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Is that Gerry halliwells old knickers .. |  | | |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:07 - May 28 with 1437 views | gtsb1966 |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:04 - May 28 by SpruceMoose |
I'm not fan of Starmer either.
But society has changed since the 90s. A simple leadership change isn't going to cut it for Labour anymore. |
I actually think this government is so bad it would. We'll have to agree to disagree. Sadly we won't find out. | | | |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:08 - May 28 with 1434 views | gtsb1966 |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:07 - May 28 by bazza |
Is that Gerry halliwells old knickers .. |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:08 - May 28 with 1433 views | SpruceMoose |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:06 - May 28 by pointofblue |
It didn’t in the 90s either - Blair had to overhaul Labour’s approach and image (aided before him by Kinnock and Smith) to have a chance. |
I'm no fan of Blair either, but imagine him trying to do that in the face of the massive misinformation campaigns and fake news circus that exist online and on social media these days. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:09 - May 28 with 1425 views | SpruceMoose |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:07 - May 28 by bazza |
Is that Gerry halliwells old knickers .. |
Got to say Bazza, that one made me chuckle! | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:10 - May 28 with 1419 views | SpruceMoose |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:07 - May 28 by gtsb1966 |
I actually think this government is so bad it would. We'll have to agree to disagree. Sadly we won't find out. |
I doubt we will either. But I also don't detect much weariness or dislike of what the Conservatives are doing. It's not like the mainstream are crying out for an alternative - they keep voting for them enthusiastically at every opportunity! | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:13 - May 28 with 1404 views | pointofblue |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:08 - May 28 by SpruceMoose |
I'm no fan of Blair either, but imagine him trying to do that in the face of the massive misinformation campaigns and fake news circus that exist online and on social media these days. |
He managed it because he schmoozed those behind the misinformation campaigns and fake news. I’m not saying that he went around agreeing with racists but he made sure those who had influence were in the tent with him. | |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:15 - May 28 with 1397 views | footers |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:08 - May 28 by SpruceMoose |
I'm no fan of Blair either, but imagine him trying to do that in the face of the massive misinformation campaigns and fake news circus that exist online and on social media these days. |
He only really won by courting Murdoch at a time it was clear the Tories were a dead duck.
Whoever rules the red tops rules the nation. |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:21 - May 28 with 1386 views | SpruceMoose |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:15 - May 28 by footers |
He only really won by courting Murdoch at a time it was clear the Tories were a dead duck.
Whoever rules the red tops rules the nation. |
Is it still the red tops with the power though? Or as much power? Hasn't Facebook replaced the Sun as the misinformation porn source of choice for Boomers? | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:22 - May 28 with 1379 views | bazza |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:09 - May 28 by SpruceMoose |
Got to say Bazza, that one made me chuckle! |
I do try spruce 😂 | | | |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:24 - May 28 with 1375 views | GaryCooper |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:10 - May 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
But flags.....so who cares....
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Yeah Man Flags. |  | | |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 18:09 - May 28 with 1318 views | Swansea_Blue |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:06 - May 28 by pointofblue |
It didn’t in the 90s either - Blair had to overhaul Labour’s approach and image (aided before him by Kinnock and Smith) to have a chance. |
Getting Murdoch on side and having a media savvy spin doctor in Campbell waere no small factors either. It's doubtful that either of those could be replicated now. Social media has moved strongly into the former paper territory and why have spin when you just just publish blatant lies and not be called up on it. |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 18:42 - May 28 with 1291 views | Swansea_Blue |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:07 - May 28 by bazza |
Is that Gerry halliwells old knickers .. |
That's be one way to win over the anti-mask lot  | |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 19:34 - May 28 with 1258 views | Seablu |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 16:57 - May 28 by 26_Paz |
What are you bringing me into it for? |
You’re the benchmark when it comes to vacuous, selfish & offensive opinions.
You should be proud.
You’ve worked extremely hard to achieve the utter disdain you now wallow in. |  | | |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:22 - May 29 with 1117 views | Darth_Koont |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:06 - May 28 by pointofblue |
It didn’t in the 90s either - Blair had to overhaul Labour’s approach and image (aided before him by Kinnock and Smith) to have a chance. |
No, that coalition that Blair took advantage of has gone now. In no small part to Blair himself and New Labour.
The traditional dyed-in-the-wool Labour voters in Scotland and subsequently the North have gone elsewhere. And there’s a significant number of progressives who want nothing to do with bland, establishment-fellating and personally enriching centrism either. They’re voting Green, for example, or will focus on movements outside the system instead.
Labour need to pull their collective finger out and be a relevant party for 2021 and its challenges. Not some Blairite tribute act because they a) don’t have any ideas and/or b) it’s in their own personal interests to chase the power, influence and money that come with propping up the status quo. |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:25 - May 29 with 1104 views | 26_Paz |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 19:34 - May 28 by Seablu |
You’re the benchmark when it comes to vacuous, selfish & offensive opinions.
You should be proud.
You’ve worked extremely hard to achieve the utter disdain you now wallow in. |
Am I particularly bothered that you and your mates don’t like me? No.
Do I wallow in it? Certainly not. |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:21 - May 29 with 1046 views | BlueForYou |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 06:20 - May 28 by noggin |
Which party did you vote for? |
For most of my life I voted Labour, but since Brexit I have voted Conservative. Labour really annoyed me with blocking the referendum result. They are finished in my opinion. Scottish voters have turned to the SNP & English voters have turned Conservative. They have become so negative these days & I just cant vote for negativity. The general public have rejected socialism & certainly dont want any of Corbyn, Abbott, Butler, etc, anywhere near running the country. I recall Blair's victory in 97, a landmark vote that, but Labour had got rid of the hard left & copied a lot of Bill Clintons progressive policies & were a very credible & electable alternative. Sadly Blair's infatuation with the US, Iraq lies, unlimited immigration, & not selecting David Milliband as Blairs replacement have cost them. They are not credible or electable today. |  | | |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:37 - May 29 with 1034 views | SpruceMoose |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:21 - May 29 by BlueForYou |
For most of my life I voted Labour, but since Brexit I have voted Conservative. Labour really annoyed me with blocking the referendum result. They are finished in my opinion. Scottish voters have turned to the SNP & English voters have turned Conservative. They have become so negative these days & I just cant vote for negativity. The general public have rejected socialism & certainly dont want any of Corbyn, Abbott, Butler, etc, anywhere near running the country. I recall Blair's victory in 97, a landmark vote that, but Labour had got rid of the hard left & copied a lot of Bill Clintons progressive policies & were a very credible & electable alternative. Sadly Blair's infatuation with the US, Iraq lies, unlimited immigration, & not selecting David Milliband as Blairs replacement have cost them. They are not credible or electable today. |
I'm with you on rejecting negativity. I'm having a very hard time coming up with a positive, outward looking, forward facing policy implemented by the Conservatives though. For at least the last decade Conservative politics has been the politics of grievance, gaslighting, complaint, blame and lies, don't you think?
I agree with what you say about Labour, but I can't follow your logic of jumping ship to the Conservatives as they are objectively worse on multiple fronts. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:46 - May 29 with 1017 views | noggin |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:21 - May 29 by BlueForYou |
For most of my life I voted Labour, but since Brexit I have voted Conservative. Labour really annoyed me with blocking the referendum result. They are finished in my opinion. Scottish voters have turned to the SNP & English voters have turned Conservative. They have become so negative these days & I just cant vote for negativity. The general public have rejected socialism & certainly dont want any of Corbyn, Abbott, Butler, etc, anywhere near running the country. I recall Blair's victory in 97, a landmark vote that, but Labour had got rid of the hard left & copied a lot of Bill Clintons progressive policies & were a very credible & electable alternative. Sadly Blair's infatuation with the US, Iraq lies, unlimited immigration, & not selecting David Milliband as Blairs replacement have cost them. They are not credible or electable today. |
" They are not credible or electable"
But you think the tories are, even after a decade of austerity which was responsible for thousands of premature deaths, and now their handling of the pandemic which is responsible for thousands of premature deaths. Brexit, are you happy with that so far?
I have to wonder what you were so afraid of that Labour would be worse than that. |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:55 - May 29 with 1000 views | XYZ |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 17:06 - May 28 by pointofblue |
It didn’t in the 90s either - Blair had to overhaul Labour’s approach and image (aided before him by Kinnock and Smith) to have a chance. |
... and neutralise Murdoch. | | | |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 15:06 - May 29 with 951 views | BlueForYou |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:46 - May 29 by noggin |
" They are not credible or electable"
But you think the tories are, even after a decade of austerity which was responsible for thousands of premature deaths, and now their handling of the pandemic which is responsible for thousands of premature deaths. Brexit, are you happy with that so far?
I have to wonder what you were so afraid of that Labour would be worse than that. |
Well you did ask! | | | |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 15:33 - May 29 with 926 views | jeera |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:39 - May 28 by HighgateBlue |
To be fair, on this thread he's being bullied by others, and not the other way around ("pathetic troll", "what is the point of you?" - all that nonsense which is quite unnecessary in a grown-up discussion).
If politics must be discussed (and he didn't start the thread), everyone is equally entitled to air his/her views. |
What view did he offer with three grinning emojis then mate?
I'm sorry, I don't read emoji speak. |  |
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