| They're not even trying anymore are they? 04:12 - May 28 with 8214 views | SpruceMoose |
Imagine being a man, recently and publicly accused of lying, telling more easy to fact check lies.
They don't care that we know they lie anymore. As a leftie I obviously know the Conservatives aren't to be trusted, ever, but how are Conservative voters themselves not bothered about being cucked every day by the guys they support, and quite often give their presumably hard earned money to?
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:47 - May 28 with 985 views | hype313 |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:07 - May 28 by Darth_Koont |
I think you’re right that politicians of all colours tend to be disingenuous and use spin. Certainly in my lifetime, I haven’t seen many politicians or parties deviate from that much.
But I think there’s a new low from the current government. They seem to put bare-faced lying front and centre because they’re populists without any defining values or ideology. And they’re appealing to people without defined values or ideologies. |
Baz Luhrham was right when he said..
"Accept certain inalienable truths, prices will rise, politicians will philander
you too will get old, and when you do you'll fantasize that when you were young, prices were reasonable and politicians were noble" |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:47 - May 28 with 959 views | Barneycurley |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:35 - May 28 by Herbivore |
So absolutely no point to you then. Glad we've cleared that up.
Anything to say about Hancock lying in parliament again? That's what the thread you've chosen to comment on is about after all. |
Look, for the record, I despise 95% of politicians. I think most of them are self serving, I also am not aligned to any political party.
I was brought up by a liberal mum who voted for David Steele - which was her choice at the time and for which in today's divisive landscape would be shot down in flames.
I just hate they way people on here constantly get off on pointing out every single flaw and belittle posters who they deem "less worthy" or not fitting their narrative.
I applaud your passion for your beliefs even though I tend to disagree with most of them as I believe they're ideological.
Many, many posters like the OP start treads with childish quips in hope of a reaction but because of the board hierarchy they are allowed to.
Just the way things are! |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:50 - May 28 with 960 views | Herbivore |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:47 - May 28 by Barneycurley |
Look, for the record, I despise 95% of politicians. I think most of them are self serving, I also am not aligned to any political party.
I was brought up by a liberal mum who voted for David Steele - which was her choice at the time and for which in today's divisive landscape would be shot down in flames.
I just hate they way people on here constantly get off on pointing out every single flaw and belittle posters who they deem "less worthy" or not fitting their narrative.
I applaud your passion for your beliefs even though I tend to disagree with most of them as I believe they're ideological.
Many, many posters like the OP start treads with childish quips in hope of a reaction but because of the board hierarchy they are allowed to.
Just the way things are! |
So still absolutely zero to say about what the actual thread is about? Brilliant. |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:57 - May 28 with 940 views | SaleAway |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:50 - May 28 by Herbivore |
So still absolutely zero to say about what the actual thread is about? Brilliant. |
to be fair - I'm not sure there is much to discuss here. the post is essentially
"Proven liar, in government full of liars, lies again"
It doesn't really need a discussion, does it?
In other news, sun rises in east, and bears s*** in woods.
I agree that this government are lying scum, but not sure what we are hoping to achieve by posting every lie on here. |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:58 - May 28 with 898 views | Barneycurley |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:57 - May 28 by SaleAway |
to be fair - I'm not sure there is much to discuss here. the post is essentially
"Proven liar, in government full of liars, lies again"
It doesn't really need a discussion, does it?
In other news, sun rises in east, and bears s*** in woods.
I agree that this government are lying scum, but not sure what we are hoping to achieve by posting every lie on here. |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:59 - May 28 with 922 views | DanTheMan |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:57 - May 28 by SaleAway |
to be fair - I'm not sure there is much to discuss here. the post is essentially
"Proven liar, in government full of liars, lies again"
It doesn't really need a discussion, does it?
In other news, sun rises in east, and bears s*** in woods.
I agree that this government are lying scum, but not sure what we are hoping to achieve by posting every lie on here. |
I think the main issue, at least recently, is the amount of lies told, and the lack of any form "punishment" for doing so. |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 09:02 - May 28 with 914 views | Herbivore |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:57 - May 28 by SaleAway |
to be fair - I'm not sure there is much to discuss here. the post is essentially
"Proven liar, in government full of liars, lies again"
It doesn't really need a discussion, does it?
In other news, sun rises in east, and bears s*** in woods.
I agree that this government are lying scum, but not sure what we are hoping to achieve by posting every lie on here. |
You don't think the Secretary of State for Health flagrantly lying to Parliament in the midst of a pandemic is something worth flagging up and discussing? Each to their own I guess, but I disagree. | |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 09:02 - May 28 with 914 views | footers |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:57 - May 28 by SaleAway |
to be fair - I'm not sure there is much to discuss here. the post is essentially
"Proven liar, in government full of liars, lies again"
It doesn't really need a discussion, does it?
In other news, sun rises in east, and bears s*** in woods.
I agree that this government are lying scum, but not sure what we are hoping to achieve by posting every lie on here. |
So surely there's no point in discussing anything we have no control over then?
Right, shut down the forum. |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 09:12 - May 28 with 890 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:59 - May 28 by DanTheMan |
I think the main issue, at least recently, is the amount of lies told, and the lack of any form "punishment" for doing so. |
I'd just like to add one thing to those issues, the normalisation (horrible word but there you go) of lying. By which I mean not so much the fact that outright lying appears to be the M.O. of a number of politicians, possibly aided and abetted by significant portions of the media, but more the apparent increasing acceptance of this by the general public. |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 09:18 - May 28 with 871 views | factual_blue |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:05 - May 28 by mikeybloo88 |
The OP was as usual just chucking some chum in the water for the sharks... do yourselves a favour and swim elsewhere lads |
Yes - the cesspool would be my recommendation for you. |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 09:22 - May 28 with 856 views | Herbivore |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 09:12 - May 28 by You_Bloo_Right |
I'd just like to add one thing to those issues, the normalisation (horrible word but there you go) of lying. By which I mean not so much the fact that outright lying appears to be the M.O. of a number of politicians, possibly aided and abetted by significant portions of the media, but more the apparent increasing acceptance of this by the general public. |
Indeed. It's right there in three or four replies on this thread, the response is "yes we know politicians lie, so what?". Well, should we not be expecting better standards in public life? Should we not expect, particularly in a pandemic, that messaging around public health is clear and honest? I think we should and I find the job that the government have done in making truth something so many consider to be trivial now really quite troubling. | |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 09:46 - May 28 with 821 views | Swansea_Blue |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 09:22 - May 28 by Herbivore |
Indeed. It's right there in three or four replies on this thread, the response is "yes we know politicians lie, so what?". Well, should we not be expecting better standards in public life? Should we not expect, particularly in a pandemic, that messaging around public health is clear and honest? I think we should and I find the job that the government have done in making truth something so many consider to be trivial now really quite troubling. |
Depressing how many people either don't care or actively support these supposed politicians who hold their positions, and us, in such contempt. As a collective we certainly get what we deserve voting for these incompetent liars. It comes at quite a cost, but people don't even care about that. |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 09:49 - May 28 with 816 views | footers |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 09:22 - May 28 by Herbivore |
Indeed. It's right there in three or four replies on this thread, the response is "yes we know politicians lie, so what?". Well, should we not be expecting better standards in public life? Should we not expect, particularly in a pandemic, that messaging around public health is clear and honest? I think we should and I find the job that the government have done in making truth something so many consider to be trivial now really quite troubling. |
A lot of people still spout off about the war and our hard-won freedom but many forget that a representative democracy is a reponsibility, not a right. If you are so passive and simply give up trying, then don't be surprised when you get lied to and rode roughshod over by chancers like we have currently sitting on the government benches.
Either play an active part in our politics, on a local or national level, or expect to be mistreated. | |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 09:51 - May 28 with 812 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 09:22 - May 28 by Herbivore |
Indeed. It's right there in three or four replies on this thread, the response is "yes we know politicians lie, so what?". Well, should we not be expecting better standards in public life? Should we not expect, particularly in a pandemic, that messaging around public health is clear and honest? I think we should and I find the job that the government have done in making truth something so many consider to be trivial now really quite troubling. |
Yes we absolutely should be expecting better from our elected representatives.
It's undated, and Australian, but this seems to get to at least a few of the points of expectation:
https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/committees/emc/12Julian_Burnsid
Notably in the context of this thread perhaps:
"Most people believe politicians lie. Some politicians lie more than others. It is not a
trivial problem: politicians play a vital role in our society. Why should the behaviour of
politicians fall short of the standards that parliament has set for business, and which we
all set for ourselves and each other? Every time politicians mislead us, they betray the
public in a fundamentally important way." | |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 10:14 - May 28 with 774 views | Herbivore |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 09:51 - May 28 by You_Bloo_Right |
Yes we absolutely should be expecting better from our elected representatives.
It's undated, and Australian, but this seems to get to at least a few of the points of expectation:
https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/committees/emc/12Julian_Burnsid
Notably in the context of this thread perhaps:
"Most people believe politicians lie. Some politicians lie more than others. It is not a
trivial problem: politicians play a vital role in our society. Why should the behaviour of
politicians fall short of the standards that parliament has set for business, and which we
all set for ourselves and each other? Every time politicians mislead us, they betray the
public in a fundamentally important way." |
Absolutely. In the article I linked earlier in the thread around midleading Tory advertising in 2019 it says clearly that many of the adverts would not have met advertising standards. Commercial advertising as an industry has higher standards for honesty than our government. That should be rather troubling.
The worry is as you say that people have normalised this now and "priced it in" and simply don't really care. I do think some of it is actually still related to Brexit. Those who voted Tory primarily because of Brexit don't seem to be able to bring themselves to acknowledge that the lies from this government matter, because if they do they might have to acknowledge that the same is true of Brexit. The government have done such a good job of making Brexit so integral to people's sense of identity (politically at least) that it poses a genuine threat to the integrity of the self to face up to and confront the lies of the government and their impact. | |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 10:28 - May 28 with 761 views | mikeybloo88 |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:08 - May 28 by Herbivore |
This is why there is very little respect on here for folk like yourself. Clearly you must like being lied to I imagine, but that you've come on here and made no comment on the content of the OP and instead are trying to dismiss it speaks volumes. Come back when you have something meaningful to say. |
Where did I indicate I like being lied to and where did I indicate I dismissed it? Many now realise there's no real worthwhile debate to be had here until there's more than just a bitter man's recollections to go on, so this is just baiting to catch the unwary, those who want a fight, or for the feeding of the usual mob. Anyway, I said it wasn't worth being here so I'll take my own advice and leave you to it, have a good day. |  | | |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:24 - May 28 with 722 views | Herbivore |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 10:28 - May 28 by mikeybloo88 |
Where did I indicate I like being lied to and where did I indicate I dismissed it? Many now realise there's no real worthwhile debate to be had here until there's more than just a bitter man's recollections to go on, so this is just baiting to catch the unwary, those who want a fight, or for the feeding of the usual mob. Anyway, I said it wasn't worth being here so I'll take my own advice and leave you to it, have a good day. |
Still nothing to contribute. Excellent. | |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:25 - May 28 with 711 views | 26_Paz |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 10:28 - May 28 by mikeybloo88 |
Where did I indicate I like being lied to and where did I indicate I dismissed it? Many now realise there's no real worthwhile debate to be had here until there's more than just a bitter man's recollections to go on, so this is just baiting to catch the unwary, those who want a fight, or for the feeding of the usual mob. Anyway, I said it wasn't worth being here so I'll take my own advice and leave you to it, have a good day. |
Agree. After the other day I’m steering well clear of this one! |  |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:26 - May 28 with 720 views | Herbivore |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:25 - May 28 by 26_Paz |
Agree. After the other day I’m steering well clear of this one! |
Except to pop on to actively not contribute. Incredible stuff. | |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:37 - May 28 with 694 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:25 - May 28 by 26_Paz |
Agree. After the other day I’m steering well clear of this one! |
This could, should and sometimes is a very good forum - several folk have loads more information, awareness, political astuteness and time than I possess.
What it does not have in abundance is tolerance, humilty and the wherewithal to grasp that the delivery is just as important as the message.
I will jump in and out every so often, just to see what is being said etc, but the hypocrisy in name calling and language used is to be honest degrading at times.
I decided my time of any meaningful discussion was up when a reply to one of my posts was met with a ' what makes you moist about Boris Johnson ' reply.
I prefer a more adult conversation..... | | | |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:39 - May 28 with 700 views | HighgateBlue |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 07:06 - May 28 by jeera |
Phil.
For the tenth time, why is this pathetic troll still here? |
To be fair, on this thread he's being bullied by others, and not the other way around ("pathetic troll", "what is the point of you?" - all that nonsense which is quite unnecessary in a grown-up discussion).
If politics must be discussed (and he didn't start the thread), everyone is equally entitled to air his/her views. |  | | |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:39 - May 28 with 698 views | Herbivore |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:37 - May 28 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
This could, should and sometimes is a very good forum - several folk have loads more information, awareness, political astuteness and time than I possess.
What it does not have in abundance is tolerance, humilty and the wherewithal to grasp that the delivery is just as important as the message.
I will jump in and out every so often, just to see what is being said etc, but the hypocrisy in name calling and language used is to be honest degrading at times.
I decided my time of any meaningful discussion was up when a reply to one of my posts was met with a ' what makes you moist about Boris Johnson ' reply.
I prefer a more adult conversation..... |
No you don't. An adult conversation involves actually engaging, and I've yet to see you do so. The same applies to several other posters on this thread. | |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:40 - May 28 with 694 views | hype313 |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:25 - May 28 by 26_Paz |
Agree. After the other day I’m steering well clear of this one! |
Basically "As long as they dehumanize immigrants, get Brexit done, open Wetherspoons then they can keep on lying, I'm happy".
Fk the elderly, they were already on their way out, I want my Beer and Burger for a fiver.
Is that you in a nutshell Paz? | |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:42 - May 28 with 692 views | footers |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:39 - May 28 by HighgateBlue |
To be fair, on this thread he's being bullied by others, and not the other way around ("pathetic troll", "what is the point of you?" - all that nonsense which is quite unnecessary in a grown-up discussion).
If politics must be discussed (and he didn't start the thread), everyone is equally entitled to air his/her views. |
Bullied? Get a grip. Said poster has been turning up on politics threads for weeks, never to actually make a point or engage with the topic at hand, but to call out 'lefties' and post emojis. He contributes nothing - possibly because he isn't able to. | |
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| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:43 - May 28 with 689 views | footers |
| They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:39 - May 28 by Herbivore |
No you don't. An adult conversation involves actually engaging, and I've yet to see you do so. The same applies to several other posters on this thread. |
Think horrendous poetry is probably about the best we're going to get from this latest effort. Not quite had the impact I would have hoped for given previous outings. A shame, really - trolls at least used to be entertaing; he's just dull. | |
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