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Imagine being a man, recently and publicly accused of lying, telling more easy to fact check lies.
They don't care that we know they lie anymore. As a leftie I obviously know the Conservatives aren't to be trusted, ever, but how are Conservative voters themselves not bothered about being cucked every day by the guys they support, and quite often give their presumably hard earned money to?
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
Can't see half the replies on this thread, but I can probably guess what's been said from the other half I can see.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:39 - May 28 by Herbivore
No you don't. An adult conversation involves actually engaging, and I've yet to see you do so. The same applies to several other posters on this thread.
Ok my view on this thread, and then I really must get in to garden. Roughly 60/70% of folk vote at a general election and will always do so. The % of those that are 'floaters' is getting bigger in my opinion. They choose their party and that is it until the next time. They do not sleep, eat, drink politics on a regular basis and get on with their lives. The problem in the UK at the moment is we do not have a credible government at times, and we do not have a credible opposition at all - sorry that is my opinion. Sometimes we ask our politicians to act in a way that we are not capable of ourselves. On here we are all faceless and can extol our own virtues (and some often do) as much as we want - who knows if we are lying. I think some of the public see themselves in our current 'lot' - all with human frailties. One final point - Unlike most of you on here, I happen to think that a large majority of our national and local politicians do a damn good job and are as honest as you or I. I apologise if my answer is not to your liking, it is though all I have to offer - let's be kinder to one another...
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They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:59 - May 28 with 953 views
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:43 - May 28 by footers
Think horrendous poetry is probably about the best we're going to get from this latest effort. Not quite had the impact I would have hoped for given previous outings. A shame, really - trolls at least used to be entertaing; he's just dull.
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They're not even trying anymore are they? on 12:15 - May 28 with 943 views
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:52 - May 28 by Timefliesbyintheblue
Ok my view on this thread, and then I really must get in to garden. Roughly 60/70% of folk vote at a general election and will always do so. The % of those that are 'floaters' is getting bigger in my opinion. They choose their party and that is it until the next time. They do not sleep, eat, drink politics on a regular basis and get on with their lives. The problem in the UK at the moment is we do not have a credible government at times, and we do not have a credible opposition at all - sorry that is my opinion. Sometimes we ask our politicians to act in a way that we are not capable of ourselves. On here we are all faceless and can extol our own virtues (and some often do) as much as we want - who knows if we are lying. I think some of the public see themselves in our current 'lot' - all with human frailties. One final point - Unlike most of you on here, I happen to think that a large majority of our national and local politicians do a damn good job and are as honest as you or I. I apologise if my answer is not to your liking, it is though all I have to offer - let's be kinder to one another...
And there is the problem. People vote, then get on with their lives, ignoring the fact that the party they voted for have lied to them. They then get upset when those who didn't vote for the same party, point out that they've been lied to. Surely holding the government to account for their actions is far more important than simply voting and forgetting about it? If you refuse to hold the government to account on their lies and incompetence, you really shouldn't be voting.
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 12:15 - May 28 by noggin
And there is the problem. People vote, then get on with their lives, ignoring the fact that the party they voted for have lied to them. They then get upset when those who didn't vote for the same party, point out that they've been lied to. Surely holding the government to account for their actions is far more important than simply voting and forgetting about it? If you refuse to hold the government to account on their lies and incompetence, you really shouldn't be voting.
The elephant in the room is that for many voters the lying and corruption is just the price of admission to the show that guarantees foreigner bashing fun, lefty baiting madness and disenfranchised folk battering.
The bad stuff is worth it so long as the people they want to see hurt are being sufficiently hurt.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 12:20 - May 28 by SpruceMoose
The elephant in the room is that for many voters the lying and corruption is just the price of admission to the show that guarantees foreigner bashing fun, lefty baiting madness and disenfranchised folk battering.
The bad stuff is worth it so long as the people they want to see hurt are being sufficiently hurt.
Once again I'd like to ask any TWTD Tories what it is they're actually voting for. What is their offering to the average Joe? What improvements to their lives are they hoping for?
Bear in mind Brexit has been 'done' so what's left?
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:39 - May 28 by HighgateBlue
To be fair, on this thread he's being bullied by others, and not the other way around ("pathetic troll", "what is the point of you?" - all that nonsense which is quite unnecessary in a grown-up discussion).
If politics must be discussed (and he didn't start the thread), everyone is equally entitled to air his/her views.
No-one's bullying him. He turns up, fishes for a row and then starts crying when he gets one.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 12:15 - May 28 by noggin
And there is the problem. People vote, then get on with their lives, ignoring the fact that the party they voted for have lied to them. They then get upset when those who didn't vote for the same party, point out that they've been lied to. Surely holding the government to account for their actions is far more important than simply voting and forgetting about it? If you refuse to hold the government to account on their lies and incompetence, you really shouldn't be voting.
But they do hold them to account - at the next general election. Just because they do not spend the next five years on social media debating it, does not mean they give any less thought than you do when they cast their vote; and then you suggest that there might be a certain element who should not be allowed to vote. Then it is wondered why folk like me do not want to participate at length on here....
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 12:46 - May 28 by Timefliesbyintheblue
But they do hold them to account - at the next general election. Just because they do not spend the next five years on social media debating it, does not mean they give any less thought than you do when they cast their vote; and then you suggest that there might be a certain element who should not be allowed to vote. Then it is wondered why folk like me do not want to participate at length on here....
A Tory government, despite years of austerity, suggests they don't though.
And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show
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They're not even trying anymore are they? on 12:53 - May 28 with 851 views
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 12:46 - May 28 by Timefliesbyintheblue
But they do hold them to account - at the next general election. Just because they do not spend the next five years on social media debating it, does not mean they give any less thought than you do when they cast their vote; and then you suggest that there might be a certain element who should not be allowed to vote. Then it is wondered why folk like me do not want to participate at length on here....
That last line is obviously not true. You do participate, at great length. Sadly,
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 12:53 - May 28 by SpruceMoose
That last line is obviously not true. You do participate, at great length. Sadly,
That is not true of course - I guess I would be no more than 20% of your postings if that. So you see it is not just politicians that fib is it? I am sorry Spruce Moose that my presence causes you grief, but then again you and one or two others do not make this a welcoming forum, and do have a habit of thinking you should dictate who participates.
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They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:02 - May 28 with 814 views
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:52 - May 28 by Timefliesbyintheblue
Ok my view on this thread, and then I really must get in to garden. Roughly 60/70% of folk vote at a general election and will always do so. The % of those that are 'floaters' is getting bigger in my opinion. They choose their party and that is it until the next time. They do not sleep, eat, drink politics on a regular basis and get on with their lives. The problem in the UK at the moment is we do not have a credible government at times, and we do not have a credible opposition at all - sorry that is my opinion. Sometimes we ask our politicians to act in a way that we are not capable of ourselves. On here we are all faceless and can extol our own virtues (and some often do) as much as we want - who knows if we are lying. I think some of the public see themselves in our current 'lot' - all with human frailties. One final point - Unlike most of you on here, I happen to think that a large majority of our national and local politicians do a damn good job and are as honest as you or I. I apologise if my answer is not to your liking, it is though all I have to offer - let's be kinder to one another...
For me you touch on a telling point, made too in the paper I linked.
As the electorate our one opportunity to hold our representatives to account in any meaningful way is at election time. The problem is that we, the electorate, factor many things into our decision making process but the relative honesty/integrity of the candidate is just one of those factors and unfortunately probably ranks fairly low when all is said and done.
So what is to be done? Well we should be making more of a fuss. As Footers has said, emancipation is a responsibility not just a right. Letters to the press, letters to our representative, campaigning - laborious and slow but nevertheless necessary. In my view we should also be pressing government to review (governments like a review) rules and standards for MPs.
Rules around proven lying/misrepresentation must be updated so that cases can be pursued through the law with punishment to fit (including dismissal). "We'd end up with by-elections every week", I hear you cry and to begin with that could easily be the case but without movement in that direction will we ever see change?
Incidentally, yes I do expect my elected representative, as my representative, to be held to higher standards of integrity than I myself meet. If not then we may as well dispense with elections and make being an MP the same as jury service. "It's your turn to be Prime Minister". "Oh for heaven's sake, I had a trip to the Algarve booked and everything."
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:00 - May 28 by Timefliesbyintheblue
That is not true of course - I guess I would be no more than 20% of your postings if that. So you see it is not just politicians that fib is it? I am sorry Spruce Moose that my presence causes you grief, but then again you and one or two others do not make this a welcoming forum, and do have a habit of thinking you should dictate who participates.
Ok bub. If nothing else this thread is a useful tool for identifying who needs div listing. There is nothing honest in any one of your posts here. In fact your whole posting history is rather disingenuous, so it doesn't exactly come as a surprise.
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country."
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 08:07 - May 28 by Darth_Koont
I think you’re right that politicians of all colours tend to be disingenuous and use spin. Certainly in my lifetime, I haven’t seen many politicians or parties deviate from that much.
But I think there’s a new low from the current government. They seem to put bare-faced lying front and centre because they’re populists without any defining values or ideology. And they’re appealing to people without defined values or ideologies.
Only on the first page but dare I say look where honesty gets them. The Conservatives in 2017 came out with a plan for adult social care which dominated the election campaign and arguably lost them their majority (though I suppose, on the flip side, they gained the highest percentage of votes since 1997, I think, plus gained a foot hold in Scotland) even though they were pretty honest about what they were going to do.
2019 came along, a load of lies, and a majority to boot.
Maybe this says more about our electoral system than honesty in politics, thinking about it!
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 11:52 - May 28 by Timefliesbyintheblue
Ok my view on this thread, and then I really must get in to garden. Roughly 60/70% of folk vote at a general election and will always do so. The % of those that are 'floaters' is getting bigger in my opinion. They choose their party and that is it until the next time. They do not sleep, eat, drink politics on a regular basis and get on with their lives. The problem in the UK at the moment is we do not have a credible government at times, and we do not have a credible opposition at all - sorry that is my opinion. Sometimes we ask our politicians to act in a way that we are not capable of ourselves. On here we are all faceless and can extol our own virtues (and some often do) as much as we want - who knows if we are lying. I think some of the public see themselves in our current 'lot' - all with human frailties. One final point - Unlike most of you on here, I happen to think that a large majority of our national and local politicians do a damn good job and are as honest as you or I. I apologise if my answer is not to your liking, it is though all I have to offer - let's be kinder to one another...
So are you okay with the Health Secretary fragrantly lying to Parliament during a public health crisis or not? I can't really tell from your response. It really shouldn't be a hard or remotely controversial thing to condemn to be honest.
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:02 - May 28 by You_Bloo_Right
For me you touch on a telling point, made too in the paper I linked.
As the electorate our one opportunity to hold our representatives to account in any meaningful way is at election time. The problem is that we, the electorate, factor many things into our decision making process but the relative honesty/integrity of the candidate is just one of those factors and unfortunately probably ranks fairly low when all is said and done.
So what is to be done? Well we should be making more of a fuss. As Footers has said, emancipation is a responsibility not just a right. Letters to the press, letters to our representative, campaigning - laborious and slow but nevertheless necessary. In my view we should also be pressing government to review (governments like a review) rules and standards for MPs.
Rules around proven lying/misrepresentation must be updated so that cases can be pursued through the law with punishment to fit (including dismissal). "We'd end up with by-elections every week", I hear you cry and to begin with that could easily be the case but without movement in that direction will we ever see change?
Incidentally, yes I do expect my elected representative, as my representative, to be held to higher standards of integrity than I myself meet. If not then we may as well dispense with elections and make being an MP the same as jury service. "It's your turn to be Prime Minister". "Oh for heaven's sake, I had a trip to the Algarve booked and everything."
I certainly agree with 'doing something about it' like writing to the press, your MP, campaigning etc; it is a lot more beneficial and may I add rewarding (if only to be pleased that you have done something positive) than just criticising on social media, and mainly preaching to the converted. I disagree with your last paragraph but hey it is food for thought. One question I ask myself; would I like my life to be under 24 hour scrutiny, I guess not; I am not worthy! I suspect though that there are several on here who are so squeaky clean that they could just represent us all. My only surprise is that more of them fail to do so. Joining a political party, standing to represent your parish, town, borough, whatever is not difficult with those attributes.
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They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:31 - May 28 with 729 views
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:28 - May 28 by Timefliesbyintheblue
I certainly agree with 'doing something about it' like writing to the press, your MP, campaigning etc; it is a lot more beneficial and may I add rewarding (if only to be pleased that you have done something positive) than just criticising on social media, and mainly preaching to the converted. I disagree with your last paragraph but hey it is food for thought. One question I ask myself; would I like my life to be under 24 hour scrutiny, I guess not; I am not worthy! I suspect though that there are several on here who are so squeaky clean that they could just represent us all. My only surprise is that more of them fail to do so. Joining a political party, standing to represent your parish, town, borough, whatever is not difficult with those attributes.
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:17 - May 28 by Herbivore
So are you okay with the Health Secretary fragrantly lying to Parliament during a public health crisis or not? I can't really tell from your response. It really shouldn't be a hard or remotely controversial thing to condemn to be honest.
In an ideal world none of us would lie. I refuse to single out one person, when we live in a society where the behaviour of most of its citizens could be vastly improved. I refuse to put myself on a pedestal and suggest that I am more worthy than someone else. Politics is a horrible, ugly, disrespectful and bitter profession; it always has been, there is nothing new happening around us that has not happened before. All you are looking for is for me to either agree with you wholeheartedly, or disagree with you to commence a torrent of posts between us; I refuse to do either, but have in my opinion been honest with my answer.
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They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:39 - May 28 with 703 views
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:38 - May 28 by Timefliesbyintheblue
In an ideal world none of us would lie. I refuse to single out one person, when we live in a society where the behaviour of most of its citizens could be vastly improved. I refuse to put myself on a pedestal and suggest that I am more worthy than someone else. Politics is a horrible, ugly, disrespectful and bitter profession; it always has been, there is nothing new happening around us that has not happened before. All you are looking for is for me to either agree with you wholeheartedly, or disagree with you to commence a torrent of posts between us; I refuse to do either, but have in my opinion been honest with my answer.
You have been anything but honest, you've avoided a really quite simple question and responded with obfuscation.
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 13:38 - May 28 by Timefliesbyintheblue
In an ideal world none of us would lie. I refuse to single out one person, when we live in a society where the behaviour of most of its citizens could be vastly improved. I refuse to put myself on a pedestal and suggest that I am more worthy than someone else. Politics is a horrible, ugly, disrespectful and bitter profession; it always has been, there is nothing new happening around us that has not happened before. All you are looking for is for me to either agree with you wholeheartedly, or disagree with you to commence a torrent of posts between us; I refuse to do either, but have in my opinion been honest with my answer.
Just trying to follow your train of thought here but your stance is that because most people lie, we should ignore those in power lying?
That seems like a fairly weak stance to me. Surely we should demand better?
I'd also say that the lies that politicians say have way more impact than me lying to my partner about remembering to do the washing up.
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 14:17 - May 28 by DanTheMan
Just trying to follow your train of thought here but your stance is that because most people lie, we should ignore those in power lying?
That seems like a fairly weak stance to me. Surely we should demand better?
I'd also say that the lies that politicians say have way more impact than me lying to my partner about remembering to do the washing up.
I'm also fairly sure that if I told a lie that significant at work I'd find myself in very serious trouble. It's a really terrible argument for refusing to condemn Hancock.
They're not even trying anymore are they? on 14:30 - May 28 by Herbivore
I'm also fairly sure that if I told a lie that significant at work I'd find myself in very serious trouble. It's a really terrible argument for refusing to condemn Hancock.
Cameron, Blair, Osborne, Obama (yes even he), Corbyn, Johnson, Bercow, etc etc have all told porkies to the British public in recent history - and I can go back a lot further than that. Your dislike for the current government (and I get some of it) creates a hostility in my opinion (to which I am entitled) in which I do not wish to participate. Now be as kind as or as nasty as you wish, but I really have to get these bedding plants in or I will be cursed by someone who really has to be obeyed.
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They're not even trying anymore are they? on 15:21 - May 28 with 583 views
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