| Get in 17:10 - Jul 5 with 13939 views | SitfcB |
Bring on the 19th! |  |
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| Get in (n/t) on 13:37 - Jul 6 with 927 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Get in (n/t) on 13:35 - Jul 6 by Ryorry |
I know - but you did write that sentence that I quoted, and I was simply trying to encourage you to stay safe - as a smart guy, I knew it was possible you might well already be aware of the prevalence of long-covid, but posted what I did in case you weren't.
Stay safe Rommy. |
Oh yes - I know it was well-intended.
Hope you’re well R. |  |
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| Get in (n/t) on 13:44 - Jul 6 with 906 views | judespiveyg |
| Get in (n/t) on 13:31 - Jul 6 by chrismakin |
Yes because that specific mindset is the problem. And you've even said It again in your reply.
I repeat. Its not about what ages of people covid itself will kill. It's how it leads to excess deaths.
We are now going into a free for all where we will be giving the variant 50,000 opportunities to mutate per day. Why? Because of the constant anti lockdown mindsets all because ' it wont kill anyone under 30 without a pre existing condition. So let's yet back to normal. |
Since you're clearly so against the country opening up I presume you won't be at the Morecambe game in August?
I'm sorry but since you've gone for the 'those young people in pubs' argument, if you're going to go to Ipswich matches, isn't that a bit hypocritical? It's a bit like complaining about being stuck in traffic, when you are part of said traffic jam. |  |
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| Get in (n/t) on 13:44 - Jul 6 with 898 views | chrismakin |
| Get in (n/t) on 13:34 - Jul 6 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
That mindset isn’t the problem though, because the idea that the majority of youngsters are flouting the rules (or indeed youngsters being the majority of those that are), is completely made up b*llocks |
Again it's not.
Which age group contributes most to anti campaigns...
Which age group do pub landlord struggle with when it comes to social distance rulings etc...
Which age group do you see in packs in parks...
Which age group has had the slowest of jab uptakes..
It's not bull. Its just how it is.
Is it their fault. No. It's the mindset of I'm ok. So it's ok
My biggest frustration with the media and government is the lack of clarity to all on why transmission is the problem not the 'civic death rate' by age group.
That's not to say you dont have good ones. No different to there are older generations that are exactly the same. But the majority is I'm afraid the 20-30s [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 13:48]
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| Get in (n/t) on 13:46 - Jul 6 with 889 views | chrismakin |
| Get in (n/t) on 13:44 - Jul 6 by judespiveyg |
Since you're clearly so against the country opening up I presume you won't be at the Morecambe game in August?
I'm sorry but since you've gone for the 'those young people in pubs' argument, if you're going to go to Ipswich matches, isn't that a bit hypocritical? It's a bit like complaining about being stuck in traffic, when you are part of said traffic jam. |
I wont be with the current figures no. | |
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| Get in (n/t) on 13:53 - Jul 6 with 879 views | Stenvict |
| Get in (n/t) on 13:31 - Jul 6 by chrismakin |
Yes because that specific mindset is the problem. And you've even said It again in your reply.
I repeat. Its not about what ages of people covid itself will kill. It's how it leads to excess deaths.
We are now going into a free for all where we will be giving the variant 50,000 opportunities to mutate per day. Why? Because of the constant anti lockdown mindsets all because ' it wont kill anyone under 30 without a pre existing condition. So let's yet back to normal. |
But all the vulnerable have had both vaccines, so they should be fine. I've had both vaccines, am I supposed to be worried about catching Covid 19? If so, what was the point in getting the vaccine? |  |
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| Get in (n/t) on 13:55 - Jul 6 with 877 views | jeera |
| Get in (n/t) on 13:44 - Jul 6 by judespiveyg |
Since you're clearly so against the country opening up I presume you won't be at the Morecambe game in August?
I'm sorry but since you've gone for the 'those young people in pubs' argument, if you're going to go to Ipswich matches, isn't that a bit hypocritical? It's a bit like complaining about being stuck in traffic, when you are part of said traffic jam. |
Gotta add to that each time I have driven past my local since reopening it's all the old boys sitting next to each other outside on the same tables, apparently not caring.
Trouble is, we've seen images of people on the TV having parties whilst on lockdown and those images stick with some people.
Instead of recognising it's a comparative few they think it's a pattern repeated everywhere.
This one age Vs another is all a bit mad too, given that one lot are directly related to the other everywhere and it's everyone's interests to not lose their mum, dad, gran etc and most people will have been doing all they can to protect them. |  |
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| Get in (n/t) on 14:06 - Jul 6 with 854 views | Ryorry |
| Get in (n/t) on 13:53 - Jul 6 by Stenvict |
But all the vulnerable have had both vaccines, so they should be fine. I've had both vaccines, am I supposed to be worried about catching Covid 19? If so, what was the point in getting the vaccine? |
Had to c&p this as I never seem able to link in my own posts -
"Masks post (p2) July 19 on 11:57 - Jul 5 with 608 views Ryorry
What little research there is suggests that the vaccines do not work for quite a large section of the population - ie those with auto-immune illnesses such as asthma & IBD, and others such as patients currently receiving treatment for cancer - who are on immuno-suppressant meds."
And the stats I've seen are that vaccine efficacy against the Delta variant is only on av 64%, as opposed to approx 95% with the virus before that, and that the Delta variant is now the dominant one in the UK. I think Stokie has posted those stats on here somewhere. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 14:10]
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| Get in (n/t) on 14:07 - Jul 6 with 848 views | chrismakin |
| Get in (n/t) on 13:53 - Jul 6 by Stenvict |
But all the vulnerable have had both vaccines, so they should be fine. I've had both vaccines, am I supposed to be worried about catching Covid 19? If so, what was the point in getting the vaccine? |
To reduce things. Not get rid of.
The problem is we are still a long way away from everyone having 2 jabs. So whilst the direct effect of covid wont be extreme compared to wave 1 and 2.. there will still be plenty it will effect.
Also.. you maybe safe in overall scheme of things... but you can still transmit it to others. Thats still the problem which Boris is clearly now ignoring. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 14:12]
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| Get in (n/t) on 14:16 - Jul 6 with 831 views | Stenvict |
| Get in (n/t) on 14:07 - Jul 6 by chrismakin |
To reduce things. Not get rid of.
The problem is we are still a long way away from everyone having 2 jabs. So whilst the direct effect of covid wont be extreme compared to wave 1 and 2.. there will still be plenty it will effect.
Also.. you maybe safe in overall scheme of things... but you can still transmit it to others. Thats still the problem which Boris is clearly now ignoring. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 14:12]
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We've fully vaccinated over half the population, and that percentage is going up every day, so by July 19th, there'll be a significant number more fully vaccinated. There will clearly always be some that refuse to get the vaccine, that's their choice, therefore this risk of spreading will always be there, but that's the risk they are willing to take.
There is nothing stopping people from being in their own type of lockdown if they are worried about catching Covid despite having had both vaccines and being effectively safe from it. | |
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| Get in (n/t) on 14:17 - Jul 6 with 827 views | noggin |
| Get in (n/t) on 12:57 - Jul 6 by DanTheMan |
Unfortunately every generation ends up just blaming young people.
I imagine at some point we'll both be doing it. |
Feck 'em. They didn't bother getting out of bed for the brexit vote.  |  |
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| Get in (n/t) on 14:22 - Jul 6 with 806 views | chrismakin |
| Get in (n/t) on 14:16 - Jul 6 by Stenvict |
We've fully vaccinated over half the population, and that percentage is going up every day, so by July 19th, there'll be a significant number more fully vaccinated. There will clearly always be some that refuse to get the vaccine, that's their choice, therefore this risk of spreading will always be there, but that's the risk they are willing to take.
There is nothing stopping people from being in their own type of lockdown if they are worried about catching Covid despite having had both vaccines and being effectively safe from it. |
The vaccine uptake is reducing daily. So it wont be a major difference come the 19th.
Also again the vaccs isnt the be all and end all. It's just another way of boris being able to try and find a positive in 2 years of sht by being able to say what a wonderful programme we put together.
It reduces cases. It reduces direct deaths.
But it doesnt stop it. It wont stop it.
We will have to live with it. But there is a way to go into it. Not opening up and ignoring something when you've even told the population it is getting worse. It will continue to get worse. More people will die,
But oh well. You've had a tough year. Go have fun. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 14:31]
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| Get in (n/t) on 14:24 - Jul 6 with 806 views | Ryorry |
| Get in (n/t) on 14:17 - Jul 6 by noggin |
Feck 'em. They didn't bother getting out of bed for the brexit vote. |
Well many didn't anyway - if all in that age group who could have voted had, we wouldn't have brexsh1t now.
And then loads of 'em blamed brexit on even those of us over-65s who actually voted Remain! | |
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| Get in (n/t) on 14:26 - Jul 6 with 801 views | DanTheMan |
| Get in (n/t) on 13:10 - Jul 6 by Ewan_Oozami |
Do you mean the one at the Arboretum? That's just round the corner from where Youngest Oozami's student digs are - she reckons it was mainly locals rather than students (before that particular can of worms gets reopened!) |
That's the one. It wouldn't surprise me if it was locals at all given the area. |  |
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| Get in on 14:38 - Jul 6 with 775 views | solemio |
When I saw 'Bring on the 19th' I assumed this must be a golf thread. | | | |
| Get in (n/t) on 14:39 - Jul 6 with 773 views | Stenvict |
| Get in (n/t) on 14:22 - Jul 6 by chrismakin |
The vaccine uptake is reducing daily. So it wont be a major difference come the 19th.
Also again the vaccs isnt the be all and end all. It's just another way of boris being able to try and find a positive in 2 years of sht by being able to say what a wonderful programme we put together.
It reduces cases. It reduces direct deaths.
But it doesnt stop it. It wont stop it.
We will have to live with it. But there is a way to go into it. Not opening up and ignoring something when you've even told the population it is getting worse. It will continue to get worse. More people will die,
But oh well. You've had a tough year. Go have fun. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 14:31]
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I didn't realise that the vaccine didn't protect us from the virus it's supposed to protect us from. In that case, what's the point in ever coming out of lockdown? As you say, it'll always be around. If daily cases were in the hundreds, and that's when we fully opened society up again, the cases would rise to thousands daily, and we'd be in this situation again.
As for your comment on Boris, I have zero interest in politics so don't care for him or any politician.
And I haven't had a tough year, I'd just like to go to FPR. | |
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| Get in (n/t) on 15:11 - Jul 6 with 744 views | itfcjoe |
| Get in (n/t) on 13:44 - Jul 6 by chrismakin |
Again it's not.
Which age group contributes most to anti campaigns...
Which age group do pub landlord struggle with when it comes to social distance rulings etc...
Which age group do you see in packs in parks...
Which age group has had the slowest of jab uptakes..
It's not bull. Its just how it is.
Is it their fault. No. It's the mindset of I'm ok. So it's ok
My biggest frustration with the media and government is the lack of clarity to all on why transmission is the problem not the 'civic death rate' by age group.
That's not to say you dont have good ones. No different to there are older generations that are exactly the same. But the majority is I'm afraid the 20-30s [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 13:48]
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Which age group contributes most to anti campaigns...
Seems to me to be to the middle aged that do this, the anti lockdown marches are full of middle aged men mostly
Which age group do pub landlord struggle with when it comes to social distance rulings etc...
All of them once they've had a few beers
Which age group do you see in packs in parks...
Mostly toddlers and young children
Which age group has had the slowest of jab uptakes..
Has anything been reported on that? It's more different ethnicities that have notably had slower uptakes - youngsters have only just been able to get them and at the same time their are supply issues
None of this will matter though, you'll continue to go on about young people |  |
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| Get in (n/t) on 15:12 - Jul 6 with 738 views | chrismakin |
| Get in (n/t) on 14:39 - Jul 6 by Stenvict |
I didn't realise that the vaccine didn't protect us from the virus it's supposed to protect us from. In that case, what's the point in ever coming out of lockdown? As you say, it'll always be around. If daily cases were in the hundreds, and that's when we fully opened society up again, the cases would rise to thousands daily, and we'd be in this situation again.
As for your comment on Boris, I have zero interest in politics so don't care for him or any politician.
And I haven't had a tough year, I'd just like to go to FPR. |
Sorry my last sentence was how I see it from Boris, not yourself. Understand that doesn't come across that way, apologies.
Just see that from Aug 16th, no self isolation for 2 jabbed people, no isolation for under 18s despite the fact the vaccs, doesn't stop transmission and u18s are one of the main carriers.
It's almost like they themselves believe a vaccination means 100% safety, it's getting stupid. | |
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| Get in (n/t) on 15:23 - Jul 6 with 726 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Get in (n/t) on 13:44 - Jul 6 by chrismakin |
Again it's not.
Which age group contributes most to anti campaigns...
Which age group do pub landlord struggle with when it comes to social distance rulings etc...
Which age group do you see in packs in parks...
Which age group has had the slowest of jab uptakes..
It's not bull. Its just how it is.
Is it their fault. No. It's the mindset of I'm ok. So it's ok
My biggest frustration with the media and government is the lack of clarity to all on why transmission is the problem not the 'civic death rate' by age group.
That's not to say you dont have good ones. No different to there are older generations that are exactly the same. But the majority is I'm afraid the 20-30s [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 13:48]
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Unless you can substantiate any of those points though it really is. Alternatively:
Which age group contributes most to anti campaigns... No statistics that I can find. However browsing some articles on various protests there doesn’t seem to be any particular majority of young people - in fact middle aged people seem to be more represented
Which age group do pub landlord struggle with when it comes to social distance rulings etc... No idea, again that’s just an opinion rather than fact. I would imagine the answer of who they struggle with most is more likely to be ‘drunk people’ than a particular demographic
Which age groups do you see in packs in parks… half a point here as I do see some groups of teenagers, how dare young people socialise with their friends the hoodlums. However as a regular visitor to Christchurch Park I also see large gatherings of families and older groups too. It’s almost as if socialising in groups up to 30 outdoors is allowed
Which age group has had the slowest of jab uptakes… Damn those young people being slower to get vaccinated when the government have prioritised giving them to older people first
Made up b*llocks indeed |  |
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| Get in (n/t) on 15:24 - Jul 6 with 724 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Get in (n/t) on 15:11 - Jul 6 by itfcjoe |
Which age group contributes most to anti campaigns...
Seems to me to be to the middle aged that do this, the anti lockdown marches are full of middle aged men mostly
Which age group do pub landlord struggle with when it comes to social distance rulings etc...
All of them once they've had a few beers
Which age group do you see in packs in parks...
Mostly toddlers and young children
Which age group has had the slowest of jab uptakes..
Has anything been reported on that? It's more different ethnicities that have notably had slower uptakes - youngsters have only just been able to get them and at the same time their are supply issues
None of this will matter though, you'll continue to go on about young people |
Oh, snap | |
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| Get in (n/t) on 15:25 - Jul 6 with 717 views | gtsb1966 |
| Get in (n/t) on 15:12 - Jul 6 by chrismakin |
Sorry my last sentence was how I see it from Boris, not yourself. Understand that doesn't come across that way, apologies.
Just see that from Aug 16th, no self isolation for 2 jabbed people, no isolation for under 18s despite the fact the vaccs, doesn't stop transmission and u18s are one of the main carriers.
It's almost like they themselves believe a vaccination means 100% safety, it's getting stupid. |
People have a vaccination for the flu but that's not 100% successful either and people die of it. We have to accept the facts that , like flu, people will die from covid sadly even when vaccinated. Covid is now part of our lives and we have to live with it. You can't lockdown forever and if covid is sticking around it really doesn't matter when we go back to normal so the sooner the better. |  | | |
| Get in (n/t) on 15:26 - Jul 6 with 710 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Get in (n/t) on 15:11 - Jul 6 by itfcjoe |
Which age group contributes most to anti campaigns...
Seems to me to be to the middle aged that do this, the anti lockdown marches are full of middle aged men mostly
Which age group do pub landlord struggle with when it comes to social distance rulings etc...
All of them once they've had a few beers
Which age group do you see in packs in parks...
Mostly toddlers and young children
Which age group has had the slowest of jab uptakes..
Has anything been reported on that? It's more different ethnicities that have notably had slower uptakes - youngsters have only just been able to get them and at the same time their are supply issues
None of this will matter though, you'll continue to go on about young people |
*Mic drop* | |
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| Get in (n/t) on 15:36 - Jul 6 with 692 views | DanTheMan |
| Get in (n/t) on 15:25 - Jul 6 by gtsb1966 |
People have a vaccination for the flu but that's not 100% successful either and people die of it. We have to accept the facts that , like flu, people will die from covid sadly even when vaccinated. Covid is now part of our lives and we have to live with it. You can't lockdown forever and if covid is sticking around it really doesn't matter when we go back to normal so the sooner the better. |
Just a point here, Covid is way more dangerous than the flu, and can have more severe long term issues.
Just letting it rip through a population is not, and has never been, a good plan. Most of the people saying we're opening up too fast are saying we should wait for a higher percentage of people to be vaccinated rather than just saying we should never come out of "lockdown" which we aren't even currently in.
Most of this thread has been back and forth over wearing a mask and none of the other measures currently in place as well.
I understand what you mean, at some point we are going to have to adapt to it being around but that doesn't mean we should just throw caution to the wind because it's a bit difficult. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 16:57]
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| Get in (n/t) on 15:47 - Jul 6 with 657 views | chrismakin |
| Get in (n/t) on 15:11 - Jul 6 by itfcjoe |
Which age group contributes most to anti campaigns...
Seems to me to be to the middle aged that do this, the anti lockdown marches are full of middle aged men mostly
Which age group do pub landlord struggle with when it comes to social distance rulings etc...
All of them once they've had a few beers
Which age group do you see in packs in parks...
Mostly toddlers and young children
Which age group has had the slowest of jab uptakes..
Has anything been reported on that? It's more different ethnicities that have notably had slower uptakes - youngsters have only just been able to get them and at the same time their are supply issues
None of this will matter though, you'll continue to go on about young people |
No, I'll continue to have an opinion on a % of people between a certain age bracket not just 'young people' as a complete demographic. | |
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| Get in (n/t) on 15:48 - Jul 6 with 655 views | itfcjoe |
| Get in (n/t) on 15:47 - Jul 6 by chrismakin |
No, I'll continue to have an opinion on a % of people between a certain age bracket not just 'young people' as a complete demographic. |
Yep, a completely made up %age in your own head | |
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| Get in (n/t) on 15:51 - Jul 6 with 643 views | chrismakin |
| Get in (n/t) on 15:36 - Jul 6 by DanTheMan |
Just a point here, Covid is way more dangerous than the flu, and can have more severe long term issues.
Just letting it rip through a population is not, and has never been, a good plan. Most of the people saying we're opening up too fast are saying we should wait for a higher percentage of people to be vaccinated rather than just saying we should never come out of "lockdown" which we aren't even currently in.
Most of this thread has been back and forth over wearing a mask and none of the other measures currently in place as well.
I understand what you mean, at some point we are going to have to adapt to it being around but that doesn't mean we should just throw caution to the wind because it's a bit difficult. [Post edited 6 Jul 2021 16:57]
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This is the point, i'm not saying no one should be able to live their lives. But there should be things put in place to get the country through this, whether that is county by county traffic light plans, or something more generic, I don't know, im not a scientist. But for me it's incredibly dangerous that we are about to say goodbye to all restrictions, all self isolations etc on a virus that continues to mutute, claim lives and increases in his transmissions.
Why can't they continue with rule of 6, table seating, etc. - it has actually made some establishments more approachable.
Mask wearing in public enclosed spaces. etc etc | |
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