| Get in 17:10 - Jul 5 with 13946 views | SitfcB |
Bring on the 19th! |  |
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| Get in on 18:27 - Jul 5 with 1999 views | Parky |
Roll on 7th August, hopefully back to a packed Portman Road starting off a successful new campaign! |  | | |
| Get in on 18:29 - Jul 5 with 1990 views | TractorCam |
| Get in on 18:26 - Jul 5 by chrismakin |
Yeah. Thats not the lockdown causing it. That's the worry of the hospital not being able to fulfil the appt due to rise in hospitalisations.
How many are now going to be cancelled because that worry will now be there again. |
Hopefully none, given that data backs up that vaccines are effective. |  |
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| Get in on 18:30 - Jul 5 with 1985 views | Ftnfwest |
| Get in on 18:26 - Jul 5 by BlueBadger |
Imagine focusing on a virus has killed far, far more people, is relatively easy to prevent and hasn't been fuelled by her a decade of government cuts to youth services and community policing.
In a pandemic. [Post edited 5 Jul 2021 18:26]
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| Get in on 18:31 - Jul 5 with 1968 views | chrismakin |
| Get in on 18:29 - Jul 5 by TractorCam |
Hopefully none, given that data backs up that vaccines are effective. |
Effective to certain levels but not enough imo |  |
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| Get in on 18:35 - Jul 5 with 1967 views | MerseyBlue |
| Get in on 18:13 - Jul 5 by StokieBlue |
Looks like Khan is looking into ignoring the government rules and keeping masks on London transport.
"The wearing of face coverings on public transport helps to reduce the spread of Covid, and crucially gives Londoners confidence to travel on the network, which is vital to our economic recovery. Further discussions are now planned with Transport for London, the Department for Transport and other transport providers before we decide our next steps."
Ryanair announced masks would be compulsory on their flights earlier today and it's pretty awful to be behind Ryanair in anything really. That's also going to cause some dilemmas for the mask-hating sun worshippers heading to Spain.
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I respect the idea behind what he's saying, but I can't see how they'll enforce it, particularly on the tube. I'm actually due to be working in London for 4 weeks in October but I'm dreading it now. I'll have had both jabs by that point, but I imagine the city will be in full swing, and the virus will have mutated further still. I thought it was telling that Whitty and Valance said they would still be wearing masks in populated indoor settings. This government has abandoned any attempt at pretending it is guided by the science. |  |
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| Get in on 18:35 - Jul 5 with 1979 views | giant_stow |
"50,000 infections a day expected by 19th July. "
time to open up then.
Seems like its back to the old herd immunity plan from the early days. |  |
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| Get in on 18:36 - Jul 5 with 1957 views | BlueBadger |
| Get in on 18:30 - Jul 5 by Ftnfwest |
Spent it on fireworks you’re right |
Yeah, it was definitely that and not the decade of underfunding to police services, youth services, etc from central government that did it. |  |
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| Get in on 18:37 - Jul 5 with 1953 views | BlueBadger |
| Get in on 18:35 - Jul 5 by giant_stow |
"50,000 infections a day expected by 19th July. "
time to open up then.
Seems like its back to the old herd immunity plan from the early days. |
That's always been the plan. | |
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| Get in on 18:37 - Jul 5 with 1941 views | JakeITFC |
| Get in on 18:35 - Jul 5 by MerseyBlue |
I respect the idea behind what he's saying, but I can't see how they'll enforce it, particularly on the tube. I'm actually due to be working in London for 4 weeks in October but I'm dreading it now. I'll have had both jabs by that point, but I imagine the city will be in full swing, and the virus will have mutated further still. I thought it was telling that Whitty and Valance said they would still be wearing masks in populated indoor settings. This government has abandoned any attempt at pretending it is guided by the science. |
I don't think the City will be anywhere near full swing by October. |  | | |
| Get in on 18:40 - Jul 5 with 1941 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| Get in on 18:35 - Jul 5 by giant_stow |
"50,000 infections a day expected by 19th July. "
time to open up then.
Seems like its back to the old herd immunity plan from the early days. |
I hope I'm wrong* but what lays ahead seems all so obvious to me.
The psychological effects when we go back to lockdown and mandatory masks/social distancing in winter, after the lifting of all restrictions in a couple of weeks, will be much greater and damaging than if we persevered with the current rules for a while longer until cases decrease and vaccination numbers increase.
Still, at least the government will be able to say 'we tried', and continue to win popularity points with the brainwashed.
*I REALLY hope I am wrong, and that all of what I've posted remains completely hypothetical. [Post edited 5 Jul 2021 18:43]
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| Get in on 18:40 - Jul 5 with 1933 views | BlueBadger |
| Get in on 18:29 - Jul 5 by TractorCam |
Hopefully none, given that data backs up that vaccines are effective. |
...and only effective whilst the variants its effective against are the prevalent strain and we're not allowing the spread of other ones by, for example, lifting restrictionss and telling everyone 'go hug and kiss and travel'. | |
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| Get in on 18:48 - Jul 5 with 1901 views | radiogaga |
A return to more familiarity is a step in the right direction, although clearly this announcement is not the be all and end all. Whilst life here will shift a lot more, we are still a long way off having anything like the freedoms we were used to pre Covid (international travel being the obvious one).
Until the world as a collective has had sufficient access to vaccinations, Covid will always be a risk to either ourselves and other nations in the form of new variants.
I don't see all restaurants and public places suddenly abandoning all measures and returning to exactly how they were just because they no longer legally have to. Being more cautious and staying away from busy places/ at least having face coverings when we have colds is by no means a practice to suddenly abandon.
Today feels like a cautiously optimistic step, although clearly transmission is going to reach a considerably riskier level. There's no doubt still a huge risk, but also an argument that the increasing mental health damage to a weary population, that have largely followed the guidance and rules very strictly, of delaying easing further is simply not an option. The vaccine uptake has been very good, to then prolong restrictions would risk yet further credibility being lost, so it's a difficult balance to strike.
Clearly covid will still be a cloud that hangs over us all for the foreseeable future. [Post edited 5 Jul 2021 18:51]
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| Get in on 18:49 - Jul 5 with 1894 views | pointofblue |
| Get in on 18:40 - Jul 5 by BlueBadger |
...and only effective whilst the variants its effective against are the prevalent strain and we're not allowing the spread of other ones by, for example, lifting restrictionss and telling everyone 'go hug and kiss and travel'. |
Though I’m fairness what is the final solution then? We going to be living in this state of lockdown, or maybe slightly stricter, forever?
And you know I believe they’re making this move too soon but there’s no way we can wait for zero Covid now. | |
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| Get in on 18:51 - Jul 5 with 1885 views | gtsb1966 |
IF this goes tits up would Boris be toast and also would the public accept going back to restrictions. |  | | |
| Get in on 18:52 - Jul 5 with 1884 views | MerseyBlue |
| Get in on 18:37 - Jul 5 by JakeITFC |
I don't think the City will be anywhere near full swing by October. |
Probably not as we'll most likely be in another lockdown by then. | |
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| Get in on 18:55 - Jul 5 with 1857 views | chrismakin |
| Get in on 18:49 - Jul 5 by pointofblue |
Though I’m fairness what is the final solution then? We going to be living in this state of lockdown, or maybe slightly stricter, forever?
And you know I believe they’re making this move too soon but there’s no way we can wait for zero Covid now. |
Take time as a government to actually sit plan. Call everyone in from every department needed.
But slowly move with the virus. Lockdown when needed. But enable rent help. Housing and business. Help with business rates. Help with food. Help with home learning. Etc etc.
People say lockdown ruins lives. I get their opinions. But the people of Australia havent had it bad and they've lockdown like mad over there. | |
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| Get in on 18:57 - Jul 5 with 1866 views | Strimmer |
Very mixed feelings about the whole thing, points covered thoroughly above so I wont rehash.
I will say there's going to be a fair few 'just-a-flu' merchants getting some nasty cases of covid, which is still potentially extremely unpleasant even after vaccination, as it tears around the country. See what they say then. Not that I'll gloat as there'll be loads of perfectly cautious people copping a week in bed too. And point scoring is distasteful and silly. But i'll think it, try and stop me | |
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| Get in on 18:59 - Jul 5 with 1849 views | pointofblue |
| Get in on 18:55 - Jul 5 by chrismakin |
Take time as a government to actually sit plan. Call everyone in from every department needed.
But slowly move with the virus. Lockdown when needed. But enable rent help. Housing and business. Help with business rates. Help with food. Help with home learning. Etc etc.
People say lockdown ruins lives. I get their opinions. But the people of Australia havent had it bad and they've lockdown like mad over there. |
The government has had 16 months to make a plan - we’re still waiting for one!
Wonder if they should consider localised lockdowns? | |
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| Get in on 19:00 - Jul 5 with 1849 views | homer_123 |
| Get in on 18:23 - Jul 5 by StokieBlue |
Nearly 700 cases per 100,000 in Newcastle today. Higher than any of the previous two peaks for that area.
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But 'Freedom Day'! |  |
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| Get in on 19:13 - Jul 5 with 1815 views | factual_blue |
| Get in on 18:37 - Jul 5 by BlueBadger |
That's always been the plan. |
'Plan' There's been a 'plan'? |  |
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| Get in on 19:13 - Jul 5 with 1817 views | Basuco |
| Get in on 18:35 - Jul 5 by giant_stow |
"50,000 infections a day expected by 19th July. "
time to open up then.
Seems like its back to the old herd immunity plan from the early days. |
Exactly, herd immunity isn't a plan. It's a dangerous, unethical medical experiment being conducted on living subjects: |  | | |
| Get in on 19:16 - Jul 5 with 1811 views | jeera |
| Get in on 17:13 - Jul 5 by The_Last_Baron |
Bring it on indeed.
Looking forward to seeing people's faces without those filthy masks. |
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| Get in on 19:18 - Jul 5 with 1801 views | jeera |
| Get in on 18:07 - Jul 5 by The_Last_Baron |
When do you think we should get back to normal again?
People are dying through lack of medical care/operations being delayed, businesses are being ruined, lockdowns do not work for a thriving society. |
How would an increase in infections help those situations?
That doesn't make sense. | |
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| Get in on 19:22 - Jul 5 with 1793 views | jeera |
| Get in on 18:22 - Jul 5 by TractorCam |
No it wasn't. I had an operation cancelled 'just incase' there was a surge of COVID. |
Yes so more the reason to keep rates down.
This hospital argument doesn't make any sense yet I keep seeing it.
Is the suggestion that if people carried on as 'normal' it would have wandered off and gone away? No one has said people shouldn't have surgery, quite the opposite.
Keep rates as low as possible to free up bed space was the whole idea. | |
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| Get in on 20:02 - Jul 5 with 1734 views | TractorCam |
| Get in on 18:40 - Jul 5 by BlueBadger |
...and only effective whilst the variants its effective against are the prevalent strain and we're not allowing the spread of other ones by, for example, lifting restrictionss and telling everyone 'go hug and kiss and travel'. |
It's hardly a healthy way of living to just sit around waiting for zero covid 'just incase' future covid variants evade the vaccine.
We'll still be talking about this next May if it isn't now, as they wouldn't lift during flu season. Last month it was "what's an extra 3 weeks?" in reference to the June 21st extension, and here we are with hospitalisations only slightly up (shame of course) and deaths same level.
Trust the vaccines! | |
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