| WARNING vile Covid opinions within 19:54 - Jul 24 with 13251 views | Mullet |
I think this is a tipping point where this sort of hate speech needs a very serious investigation and conviction. This isn’t the YouTube have a go science lot getting uppity, it’s clear incitement.
If we really value our NHS then this sort of rhetoric needs to meet the full force of the law and public opinion. |  |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 07:26 - Jul 25 with 2925 views | GlasgowBlue |
Everyone of these dangerous fcukers should be arrested.
“ Anti-5G activist Mark Steele says the vaccine is a "biological, chemical weapon" and "the virus is a hoax". He says what's happening in the UK is "domestic terrorism" and "genocide". The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) "is a terrorist organisation", he adds”
“Katie Hopkins calls on the crowd to "rub yourselves up against each other".
“ Former GP Vernon Coleman says the "manufactured, fake" Covid-19 "is just the flu rebranded".
“ Piers Corbyn claims "you're much more likely to die or get ill from the jab that you are from Covid, whatever it may be".
He says there are four legs and a tail to the New World Order: "the Covid con", "the climate con", "the jab evil", "the 5G evil" and "the one class system".”
“ Last up is David Icke, who says "demons" persuaded millions around the world to believe in "their plan" and "global tyranny" by using "a fake virus, a fake test and fake death certificates to give the illusion of a deadly disease that has never and does not exist".
For too long people have indulged these c*hrs as harmless cranks. Ike even sells out arenas up and down the country. They are far from harmless cranks. They are dangerous.
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 09:05 - Jul 25 with 2851 views | vapour_trail |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 07:26 - Jul 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Everyone of these dangerous fcukers should be arrested.
“ Anti-5G activist Mark Steele says the vaccine is a "biological, chemical weapon" and "the virus is a hoax". He says what's happening in the UK is "domestic terrorism" and "genocide". The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) "is a terrorist organisation", he adds”
“Katie Hopkins calls on the crowd to "rub yourselves up against each other".
“ Former GP Vernon Coleman says the "manufactured, fake" Covid-19 "is just the flu rebranded".
“ Piers Corbyn claims "you're much more likely to die or get ill from the jab that you are from Covid, whatever it may be".
He says there are four legs and a tail to the New World Order: "the Covid con", "the climate con", "the jab evil", "the 5G evil" and "the one class system".”
“ Last up is David Icke, who says "demons" persuaded millions around the world to believe in "their plan" and "global tyranny" by using "a fake virus, a fake test and fake death certificates to give the illusion of a deadly disease that has never and does not exist".
For too long people have indulged these c*hrs as harmless cranks. Ike even sells out arenas up and down the country. They are far from harmless cranks. They are dangerous.
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Poor old Mark Steel. |  |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 09:30 - Jul 25 with 2812 views | gtsb1966 |
Me and one of my daughters both have covid. We both feel like shoite. God knows how bad I would feel or how ill I would be at 55 years of age, without the vaccine. People like her make me so angry. I can't imagine how my 80 year old mum would cope with this. |  | | |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:03 - Jul 25 with 2758 views | MerseyBlue |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 05:52 - Jul 25 by Ryorry |
I'm afraid it does all remind me rather horribly of scenes and conditions in 1930s Germany. It becomes easier to manipulate & brainwash people when they are desperate & scared.
By contrast, saw on BBC2 last night part of Pavarotti in the Park (edit: from July 1991) including Nessun Dorma, which in turn reminded me of the 1990 World Cup, which then reminded me of the summer of 2012 & London Olympics.
What we had, what we've lost - makes you weep. [Post edited 25 Jul 2021 13:11]
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It's scary isn't it? It genuinely feels like you're watching it all fall apart. It's so hard to discern what sort of percentage of people this mob actually represents, but they just seem to get more vocal, more outrageous and more dangerous.
Seeing a crowd like that cheering along to fascist rhetoric about the Nuremburg trials makes you scared about where this goes next. What happens if they keep multiplying? Who else is on their agenda? They've been figures of ridicule until now, but now they must be figures of fear. How long is it before we start seeing these nutters turning up at hospitals in numbers, purely with the mindset to intimidate, disrupt and endanger?
Turns your stomach thinking about it. |  |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:17 - Jul 25 with 2735 views | vapour_trail |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:03 - Jul 25 by MerseyBlue |
It's scary isn't it? It genuinely feels like you're watching it all fall apart. It's so hard to discern what sort of percentage of people this mob actually represents, but they just seem to get more vocal, more outrageous and more dangerous.
Seeing a crowd like that cheering along to fascist rhetoric about the Nuremburg trials makes you scared about where this goes next. What happens if they keep multiplying? Who else is on their agenda? They've been figures of ridicule until now, but now they must be figures of fear. How long is it before we start seeing these nutters turning up at hospitals in numbers, purely with the mindset to intimidate, disrupt and endanger?
Turns your stomach thinking about it. |
There’s always been nutters and there always will be. | |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:29 - Jul 25 with 2709 views | MerseyBlue |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:17 - Jul 25 by vapour_trail |
There’s always been nutters and there always will be. |
Absolutely, they just never seemed to be as coordinated before. | |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:32 - Jul 25 with 2702 views | brogansnose |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:29 - Jul 25 by MerseyBlue |
Absolutely, they just never seemed to be as coordinated before. |
..............and never before has it been so easy to push this stuff to a mass audience. |  | | |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:33 - Jul 25 with 2702 views | EdwardStone |
I always thought that people were hanged
Pictures get hung, people get hanged
*I feel I might be missing the main point of this thread* |  | | |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:34 - Jul 25 with 2706 views | Guthrum |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 07:26 - Jul 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Everyone of these dangerous fcukers should be arrested.
“ Anti-5G activist Mark Steele says the vaccine is a "biological, chemical weapon" and "the virus is a hoax". He says what's happening in the UK is "domestic terrorism" and "genocide". The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) "is a terrorist organisation", he adds”
“Katie Hopkins calls on the crowd to "rub yourselves up against each other".
“ Former GP Vernon Coleman says the "manufactured, fake" Covid-19 "is just the flu rebranded".
“ Piers Corbyn claims "you're much more likely to die or get ill from the jab that you are from Covid, whatever it may be".
He says there are four legs and a tail to the New World Order: "the Covid con", "the climate con", "the jab evil", "the 5G evil" and "the one class system".”
“ Last up is David Icke, who says "demons" persuaded millions around the world to believe in "their plan" and "global tyranny" by using "a fake virus, a fake test and fake death certificates to give the illusion of a deadly disease that has never and does not exist".
For too long people have indulged these c*hrs as harmless cranks. Ike even sells out arenas up and down the country. They are far from harmless cranks. They are dangerous.
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They were relatively harmless cranks until significant numbers of people started believing in them (same with QAnon, which possibly started as a joke on an internet forum). It's a more important question as to how that happened.
Bereft of all the old certainties (trust in the authorities, books, religion, ideologies) and awash in a sea of unfiltered and unverified information, lacking the intellectual training* to handle that and coddled in a fug of overwrought TV disaster dramas and angry soap operas, people just can't cope and don't know how to react.
This combined with modern individualism, where my opinions and impressions are as valid as anybody else's facts, leads to a situation where people basing their understanding of the world upon raw internet sewage, just picking what to them seem the most plausible lumps as they float past.
* This is not an implication of stupidity, just lack of training in a world where schools and universities have become a cross between exam-passing machines (to climb the league tables) and creches to keep the young off the dole as long as possible. No slight on the teachers, either, this is at government policy level. |  |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:37 - Jul 25 with 2687 views | MerseyBlue |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:32 - Jul 25 by brogansnose |
..............and never before has it been so easy to push this stuff to a mass audience. |
That's kind of my point, it's hard to know what percentage of people these cretins make up. I suspect the numbers have risen recently, but no idea by how much. They seem more prominent because of all the technological advances we have made. I would imagine they are still a very small minority but the longer things go on, the more their popularity will rise. | |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:41 - Jul 25 with 2673 views | lowhouseblue |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:32 - Jul 25 by brogansnose |
..............and never before has it been so easy to push this stuff to a mass audience. |
that's the wonder of social media. but there have always been groups of nutters. spiritualists, followers of the occult, alien abductionists, religious cults, people who believe in enslavement to robots. it takes a different form at different times but there is always a small number who are desperate to believe that they know secret stuff and everyone is being lied to except them. it's a constant throughout history. [Post edited 25 Jul 2021 10:52]
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:46 - Jul 25 with 2663 views | Guthrum |
Sorry, I'm not going to watch that, it will rile me up too much. | |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:50 - Jul 25 with 2653 views | lowhouseblue |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:34 - Jul 25 by Guthrum |
They were relatively harmless cranks until significant numbers of people started believing in them (same with QAnon, which possibly started as a joke on an internet forum). It's a more important question as to how that happened.
Bereft of all the old certainties (trust in the authorities, books, religion, ideologies) and awash in a sea of unfiltered and unverified information, lacking the intellectual training* to handle that and coddled in a fug of overwrought TV disaster dramas and angry soap operas, people just can't cope and don't know how to react.
This combined with modern individualism, where my opinions and impressions are as valid as anybody else's facts, leads to a situation where people basing their understanding of the world upon raw internet sewage, just picking what to them seem the most plausible lumps as they float past.
* This is not an implication of stupidity, just lack of training in a world where schools and universities have become a cross between exam-passing machines (to climb the league tables) and creches to keep the young off the dole as long as possible. No slight on the teachers, either, this is at government policy level. |
"in a sea of unfiltered and unverified information, lacking the intellectual training to handle that"
the main tool that normally allows people if handle complexity is trust. - 'i may not be able to work out an answer from first principles but I trust those who have done so already and have established the current consensus'.
but we are in a period when events and politics on all sides are acting to undermine trust. all exaggerated and magnified by social media. a political culture in which extreme accusations get routinely thrown about may give a short-term hit on a political opponent but in the longer-term it's corrosive and gives nutters like those in the op space to operate. [Post edited 25 Jul 2021 10:51]
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 11:01 - Jul 25 with 2611 views | Guthrum |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:50 - Jul 25 by lowhouseblue |
"in a sea of unfiltered and unverified information, lacking the intellectual training to handle that"
the main tool that normally allows people if handle complexity is trust. - 'i may not be able to work out an answer from first principles but I trust those who have done so already and have established the current consensus'.
but we are in a period when events and politics on all sides are acting to undermine trust. all exaggerated and magnified by social media. a political culture in which extreme accusations get routinely thrown about may give a short-term hit on a political opponent but in the longer-term it's corrosive and gives nutters like those in the op space to operate. [Post edited 25 Jul 2021 10:51]
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Indeed.
Moreover, undermining trust is a quick and easy way to gain influence, for those who cannot out-argue experts/authorities on their own terms.
Additionally, the fact that corruption and incompetence is more easily exposed and publicised nowadays - and yet people are still stupid enough to do them - corrodes trust. Now we have got to the point where the electorate so expects politicians to be dodgy and shambolic that they no longer care when they are shown to be. | |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 11:09 - Jul 25 with 2595 views | solomon |
quite, has there ever been a better example of part of the problem, not part of the solution?
Imagine being so stupid as to not getting a jab and Complaining fighting Covid is taking too long. |  | | |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 11:12 - Jul 25 with 2589 views | NthQldITFC |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:34 - Jul 25 by Guthrum |
They were relatively harmless cranks until significant numbers of people started believing in them (same with QAnon, which possibly started as a joke on an internet forum). It's a more important question as to how that happened.
Bereft of all the old certainties (trust in the authorities, books, religion, ideologies) and awash in a sea of unfiltered and unverified information, lacking the intellectual training* to handle that and coddled in a fug of overwrought TV disaster dramas and angry soap operas, people just can't cope and don't know how to react.
This combined with modern individualism, where my opinions and impressions are as valid as anybody else's facts, leads to a situation where people basing their understanding of the world upon raw internet sewage, just picking what to them seem the most plausible lumps as they float past.
* This is not an implication of stupidity, just lack of training in a world where schools and universities have become a cross between exam-passing machines (to climb the league tables) and creches to keep the young off the dole as long as possible. No slight on the teachers, either, this is at government policy level. |
Absolutely agree with all that. I'd rather have widespread, dogmatic religion back in this country than where we seem to be going now, and I really don't like dogmatic religions.
Perhaps the blunt truth is that when they look at the naked realities of both our societal and environmental situations (both fundamentally driven by fear, individualistic greed and ever increasing growth), most people need some sort of fantasy to believe in, and this sort of crap is as powerful a vehicle as anything else.
We are a terribly flawed species, and an inability to face the blindingly obvious limits which we need to set ourselves, has almost certainly doomed us on many levels. It's no good bleating about trivialities when the world is on fire. |  |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 11:17 - Jul 25 with 2576 views | lowhouseblue |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 11:01 - Jul 25 by Guthrum |
Indeed.
Moreover, undermining trust is a quick and easy way to gain influence, for those who cannot out-argue experts/authorities on their own terms.
Additionally, the fact that corruption and incompetence is more easily exposed and publicised nowadays - and yet people are still stupid enough to do them - corrodes trust. Now we have got to the point where the electorate so expects politicians to be dodgy and shambolic that they no longer care when they are shown to be. |
yes the corrosion seems to be cumulative and self-reinforcing.
there is nothing in public policy that isn't open to legitimate challenge, criticism and debate. but social media magnifies negatives and too often presents disagreements as incompetence or corruption rather than legitimate debate. we're losing the ability to recognise and reflect consensus in policy and we're exaggerating the volume and significance of stuff at the extremes. we're losing the ability to see the importance of the stuff we agree on. we have a culture which currently emphasises division over trust. it's the perfect primordial soup for nutters. | |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 11:21 - Jul 25 with 2562 views | brogansnose |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:41 - Jul 25 by lowhouseblue |
that's the wonder of social media. but there have always been groups of nutters. spiritualists, followers of the occult, alien abductionists, religious cults, people who believe in enslavement to robots. it takes a different form at different times but there is always a small number who are desperate to believe that they know secret stuff and everyone is being lied to except them. it's a constant throughout history. [Post edited 25 Jul 2021 10:52]
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Vapes makes a similiar point as you above and I agree with with you both but where do we go from here ? | | | |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 11:29 - Jul 25 with 2542 views | factual_blue |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 11:09 - Jul 25 by solomon |
quite, has there ever been a better example of part of the problem, not part of the solution?
Imagine being so stupid as to not getting a jab and Complaining fighting Covid is taking too long. |
Aren't they just expressing Very Real Concerns though?
Or the Fifty-Two Percenters as I call them. [Post edited 25 Jul 2021 11:33]
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 11:34 - Jul 25 with 2517 views | solomon |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 11:29 - Jul 25 by factual_blue |
Aren't they just expressing Very Real Concerns though?
Or the Fifty-Two Percenters as I call them. [Post edited 25 Jul 2021 11:33]
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I was under the impression the science has proved these concerns are without foundation? | | | |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 11:35 - Jul 25 with 2513 views | factual_blue |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 11:34 - Jul 25 by solomon |
I was under the impression the science has proved these concerns are without foundation? |
That's what the scientists want you to think. | |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 12:45 - Jul 25 with 2452 views | solomon |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 11:35 - Jul 25 by factual_blue |
That's what the scientists want you to think. |
But we’re supposed to follow the science and not the politicians? | | | |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 14:01 - Jul 25 with 2383 views | Swansea_Blue |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 07:26 - Jul 25 by GlasgowBlue |
Everyone of these dangerous fcukers should be arrested.
“ Anti-5G activist Mark Steele says the vaccine is a "biological, chemical weapon" and "the virus is a hoax". He says what's happening in the UK is "domestic terrorism" and "genocide". The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) "is a terrorist organisation", he adds”
“Katie Hopkins calls on the crowd to "rub yourselves up against each other".
“ Former GP Vernon Coleman says the "manufactured, fake" Covid-19 "is just the flu rebranded".
“ Piers Corbyn claims "you're much more likely to die or get ill from the jab that you are from Covid, whatever it may be".
He says there are four legs and a tail to the New World Order: "the Covid con", "the climate con", "the jab evil", "the 5G evil" and "the one class system".”
“ Last up is David Icke, who says "demons" persuaded millions around the world to believe in "their plan" and "global tyranny" by using "a fake virus, a fake test and fake death certificates to give the illusion of a deadly disease that has never and does not exist".
For too long people have indulged these c*hrs as harmless cranks. Ike even sells out arenas up and down the country. They are far from harmless cranks. They are dangerous.
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Yep. We’ve just been having a chat over lunch about the boundary between cranks to be laughed at and dangerous people. In the middle of a pandemic, this lot have definitely crossed the line. We’ve probably laughed at conspiracy theorists for too long. |  |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 14:01 - Jul 25 with 2381 views | Ryorry |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 10:34 - Jul 25 by Guthrum |
They were relatively harmless cranks until significant numbers of people started believing in them (same with QAnon, which possibly started as a joke on an internet forum). It's a more important question as to how that happened.
Bereft of all the old certainties (trust in the authorities, books, religion, ideologies) and awash in a sea of unfiltered and unverified information, lacking the intellectual training* to handle that and coddled in a fug of overwrought TV disaster dramas and angry soap operas, people just can't cope and don't know how to react.
This combined with modern individualism, where my opinions and impressions are as valid as anybody else's facts, leads to a situation where people basing their understanding of the world upon raw internet sewage, just picking what to them seem the most plausible lumps as they float past.
* This is not an implication of stupidity, just lack of training in a world where schools and universities have become a cross between exam-passing machines (to climb the league tables) and creches to keep the young off the dole as long as possible. No slight on the teachers, either, this is at government policy level. |
👠POTD
In "normal" times there'd probably be a counter-demo opposing that noxious sh1tshow - but of course decent people who'd probably be on that are likely to be too sensible & responsible to do so atm.
The banner behind her shows "Donate to the event here - paypal.me/WorldWideDemoLondon - part of her motivation no doubt ... Out of curiousity I searched it to see if they were still accepting donations, and they are. Account is being run by 'Fiona Hine'. |  |
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| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 14:20 - Jul 25 with 2350 views | Mullet |
| WARNING vile Covid opinions within on 11:21 - Jul 25 by brogansnose |
Vapes makes a similiar point as you above and I agree with with you both but where do we go from here ? |
Surveillance. Much like Muslims and before that Irish threats were scrutinised heavily and with public backing. I see the far right radicalisation as even more deadly because it always comes (not) wearing a mask, but it doesn’t attract the scrutiny or fear it warrants either. | |
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