| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads 12:54 - Sep 7 with 13472 views | chicoazul |
He’s putting NI contributions up! Will this crazy fascist government never learn??? |  |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 21:09 - Sep 7 with 1800 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 21:04 - Sep 7 by thegloryyears |
The top 1% of UK Earners pay 30% of the total tax paid...
The Rich pay far more than the poor in tax... |
Please do provide some evidence for that assertion! |  |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 21:38 - Sep 7 with 1779 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 21:09 - Sep 7 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Please do provide some evidence for that assertion! |
Done your research for you.
In terms of income tax only (not NI and other taxation), the top 1% of UK tax payers (not earners) received 12.7% of income and paid 29.1% of total Income Tax.
The point here is that b adding to the NI burden, it hits the taxation of the poorest earners and can be ignored in the sort of misrepresentative analysis quoted above.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attac | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 21:40 - Sep 7 with 1768 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
As you will see in my reply above, Income Tax is not total taxation - very far from it. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 21:49 - Sep 7 with 1751 views | GlasgowBlue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 21:40 - Sep 7 by Nthsuffolkblue |
As you will see in my reply above, Income Tax is not total taxation - very far from it. |
Yes. The poster should have said "The top 1% of UK Earners pay 30% of the total tax income tax paid".
If we were to broaden the remit to "total taxation" then it would no doubt be higher. As we would then have to factor in Inheritance tax, Tax on dividends, Council Tax, Capital Gains Tax etc.... |  |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 21:52 - Sep 7 with 1747 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 21:49 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Yes. The poster should have said "The top 1% of UK Earners pay 30% of the total tax income tax paid".
If we were to broaden the remit to "total taxation" then it would no doubt be higher. As we would then have to factor in Inheritance tax, Tax on dividends, Council Tax, Capital Gains Tax etc.... |
VAT and NI which are greater burdens on lower earners.
If they were also represented as percentages of earnings they would probably not read so "favourably" either.
There is little doubt that the tax burden on the richest in society (who are also very adept at legal tax avoidance and pay accountants very princely sums to enable it) is very far from onerous.
EDIT: and in a context of NI being the vehicle of this taxation to represent total taxation with a (slightly wrong) figure of Income Taxation is poor at best and disingenuous at worst. [Post edited 7 Sep 2021 21:54]
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 21:56 - Sep 7 with 1736 views | GlasgowBlue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 21:52 - Sep 7 by Nthsuffolkblue |
VAT and NI which are greater burdens on lower earners.
If they were also represented as percentages of earnings they would probably not read so "favourably" either.
There is little doubt that the tax burden on the richest in society (who are also very adept at legal tax avoidance and pay accountants very princely sums to enable it) is very far from onerous.
EDIT: and in a context of NI being the vehicle of this taxation to represent total taxation with a (slightly wrong) figure of Income Taxation is poor at best and disingenuous at worst. [Post edited 7 Sep 2021 21:54]
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According to the ONS the top 10% of incomes pay about 27% in total of most direct and indirect taxes. This includes direct taxes, such as Council Tax, and National Insurance contributions. There are also indirect taxes, such as VAT, Tobacco and Alcohol Duty, and Corporation Tax.
There isn't a similar survey on the top 1% but I'm sure we would both agree that the top 10% are not the poorest in society. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:04 - Sep 7 with 1721 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 21:56 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
According to the ONS the top 10% of incomes pay about 27% in total of most direct and indirect taxes. This includes direct taxes, such as Council Tax, and National Insurance contributions. There are also indirect taxes, such as VAT, Tobacco and Alcohol Duty, and Corporation Tax.
There isn't a similar survey on the top 1% but I'm sure we would both agree that the top 10% are not the poorest in society. |
So top 10% pay around 27%.
That is a very long way short of the top 1% paying 30%. It will be far, far lower.
The top 1% receive 12.7% of income.
Let those figures sink in.
The bottom 50% of taxpayers earn only 25.3% of total income. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:06 - Sep 7 with 1713 views | tractordownsouth |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 16:51 - Sep 7 by noggin |
Gonna tell us why you voted for them? |
I disagree with his voting choice but there’s no need to go after him for it. The only way we’ll ever get the Tories out is by people like him who are disillusioned with them voting another way next time. |  |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:09 - Sep 7 with 1710 views | Swansea_Blue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 21:56 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
According to the ONS the top 10% of incomes pay about 27% in total of most direct and indirect taxes. This includes direct taxes, such as Council Tax, and National Insurance contributions. There are also indirect taxes, such as VAT, Tobacco and Alcohol Duty, and Corporation Tax.
There isn't a similar survey on the top 1% but I'm sure we would both agree that the top 10% are not the poorest in society. |
It’s this sort of finding that sticks in people’s craw. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/wealthy-uk-tax-cost-rate-capita
These types won’t get impacted as they’ve found a way around paying a fair share, or even in the event they do get caught up in the higher rate it’ll be water off a duck’s back. Meanwhile some low earners may end up literally going hungry. |  |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:12 - Sep 7 with 1703 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:09 - Sep 7 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s this sort of finding that sticks in people’s craw. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/wealthy-uk-tax-cost-rate-capita
These types won’t get impacted as they’ve found a way around paying a fair share, or even in the event they do get caught up in the higher rate it’ll be water off a duck’s back. Meanwhile some low earners may end up literally going hungry. |
This a million times over. The richest in society employ accountants to reduce the tax they pay and the system is set up to encourage it with loopholes galore. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:13 - Sep 7 with 1698 views | GlasgowBlue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:04 - Sep 7 by Nthsuffolkblue |
So top 10% pay around 27%.
That is a very long way short of the top 1% paying 30%. It will be far, far lower.
The top 1% receive 12.7% of income.
Let those figures sink in.
The bottom 50% of taxpayers earn only 25.3% of total income. |
The top 1% pay 30% of the total income tax take. The top 10% pay over a quarter of the total tax take, both direct and indirect taxes. That's far from "the rich aren't paying their fair share"
BTW I haven't commented on today's NI hike, which as a small business owner will cost me a few thousand £ a year more.
Anyway, Boris and Igor both own small farms in a Socialist utopia. The pair of them are both struggling to make a living but Igor has one advantage over Boris in that he has a goat.
One night a fairy godmother visits Boris and says "you can have one wish. Anything that you desire".
Boris says "I wish for Igar's goat to die!"
That's your post right there. Instead of worry how we can level up, you concentrate on leveling down. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:15 - Sep 7 with 1695 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:13 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
The top 1% pay 30% of the total income tax take. The top 10% pay over a quarter of the total tax take, both direct and indirect taxes. That's far from "the rich aren't paying their fair share"
BTW I haven't commented on today's NI hike, which as a small business owner will cost me a few thousand £ a year more.
Anyway, Boris and Igor both own small farms in a Socialist utopia. The pair of them are both struggling to make a living but Igor has one advantage over Boris in that he has a goat.
One night a fairy godmother visits Boris and says "you can have one wish. Anything that you desire".
Boris says "I wish for Igar's goat to die!"
That's your post right there. Instead of worry how we can level up, you concentrate on leveling down. |
Absolutely not.
I wish for a fairer taxation system.
You know nothing of my own personal circumstances.
This is not wishing ill on richer people. Far from it.
You love misrepresenting arguments.
EDIT: Levelling up involves increasing the tax burden on those who can most easily afford to pay and providing services that benefit all with that tax revenue instead of wasting it on supporting the rich which this Government has frequently done. [Post edited 7 Sep 2021 22:17]
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:21 - Sep 7 with 1668 views | GlasgowBlue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:15 - Sep 7 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Absolutely not.
I wish for a fairer taxation system.
You know nothing of my own personal circumstances.
This is not wishing ill on richer people. Far from it.
You love misrepresenting arguments.
EDIT: Levelling up involves increasing the tax burden on those who can most easily afford to pay and providing services that benefit all with that tax revenue instead of wasting it on supporting the rich which this Government has frequently done. [Post edited 7 Sep 2021 22:17]
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You love an edit.
Well we've already established that the top 1% pay 30% of the total income tax bill so can I assume you wouldn't raise income tax for the top 1%?
So how would you make the tax system "fairer"? | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:26 - Sep 7 with 1654 views | Darth_Koont |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:13 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
The top 1% pay 30% of the total income tax take. The top 10% pay over a quarter of the total tax take, both direct and indirect taxes. That's far from "the rich aren't paying their fair share"
BTW I haven't commented on today's NI hike, which as a small business owner will cost me a few thousand £ a year more.
Anyway, Boris and Igor both own small farms in a Socialist utopia. The pair of them are both struggling to make a living but Igor has one advantage over Boris in that he has a goat.
One night a fairy godmother visits Boris and says "you can have one wish. Anything that you desire".
Boris says "I wish for Igar's goat to die!"
That's your post right there. Instead of worry how we can level up, you concentrate on leveling down. |
Breathtaking ignorance.
You seem to have a hard-on for a type of socialism that died out in the last century. |  |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:27 - Sep 7 with 1642 views | GlasgowBlue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:26 - Sep 7 by Darth_Koont |
Breathtaking ignorance.
You seem to have a hard-on for a type of socialism that died out in the last century. |
Died in the last century and was briefly revived between 2015 and 2019. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:35 - Sep 7 with 1628 views | Darth_Koont |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:27 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Died in the last century and was briefly revived between 2015 and 2019. |
As I said, breathtakingly ignorant.
“Corbynism” is little different from Nordic social democracy. Which you’d know if you weren’t trapped in some Little Englander 80s Thatcherite view of society that fetishises “opportunity” over well-being and actual opportunities for all citizens.
Spend some time in Europe and maybe you wouldn’t spout so much damaging shyte. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 23:02 - Sep 7 with 1589 views | HARRY10 |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:21 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
You love an edit.
Well we've already established that the top 1% pay 30% of the total income tax bill so can I assume you wouldn't raise income tax for the top 1%?
So how would you make the tax system "fairer"? |
Maybe yiu could tell us how much this 15 is left with after paying income tax. So little they are dependent upon food banks.
My cousin is on minimum wage. Take away 10% of his disposable income and you stop him having a pin and playing snooker once a week , His sole 'leisure activities.
Take away !0% from those who you tug your fore lock to, and it means one less bottle of Champagne in the box.
As to what can be done......
"One option for a government looking to raise tax revenues would be to implement a new "alternative minimum tax". This would put a floor on the lowest tax rates. If set at 35 per cent on taxable income and gains for all those with over £100,000 per year, our research indicates that this tax could raise £11 billion per year. That’s equivalent to raising both the higher and additional rates of income tax by five pence, but instead of everyone on high incomes paying more, it would be targeted at those currently paying the lowest shares."
But that would stick in the gullet of you righties who subscribe to the delusion that the bigger the loaf the rich are allowed, the more crumbs are likely to fall from the table. Righties who see the problems that beset the country as being migrants like the care workers on minimum wage, and not
"Some of the country’s worst care homes are owned by companies that have made a total profit of £113m despite some of the vulnerable people they are supposed to look after being neglected"
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/23/revealed-companies-running-inade
How much could be saved by these homes being run for clinical need - not for profit ? So much of the health budget ends up in the hands of the wealthy, who pay what in dividends or their companies pay in corporate tax ? Not the same rate as nurses or care home staff I can assure you of that.
It should be sickening to read the weasel words of the likes of GB and others who try to defend their betters, but the last five years have seen them consistently peddling that line.
The question that arises then, is it really just an almost obsessive obsequiousness - or an irrational hatred of progressive thinking and all who espouse it.
Much the latter, my conclusion is. |  | | |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 23:17 - Sep 7 with 1567 views | BLUEGOLD |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:21 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
You love an edit.
Well we've already established that the top 1% pay 30% of the total income tax bill so can I assume you wouldn't raise income tax for the top 1%?
So how would you make the tax system "fairer"? |
Make tax dodgers actually pay tax.
Make people like you actually care about those with no arse in their trousers.
Tory boy is back | | | |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 05:30 - Sep 8 with 1427 views | noggin |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:06 - Sep 7 by tractordownsouth |
I disagree with his voting choice but there’s no need to go after him for it. The only way we’ll ever get the Tories out is by people like him who are disillusioned with them voting another way next time. |
I wasn't going after anyone, apologies if it came over that way. I am genuinely interested. [Post edited 8 Sep 2021 5:30]
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 07:40 - Sep 8 with 1358 views | Darth_Koont |
And just saw this ... I don’t disagree re: an NI hike as it’s regressive and punishing those least equipped to pay for it. But we need to grow up and grow up quickly when it comes to the UK’s fetish for low tax.
We already have one of the lowest income tax and corporate tax regimes in the Western world and also one of the lowest tax revenues against GDP. No wonder we can’t or won’t support hungry kids, public services and infrastructure. Let alone prepare for the new and increasing challenges of this century.
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 08:34 - Sep 8 with 1311 views | chicoazul |
At least now everyone agrees with me that he isn’t and has really never been right wing. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 09:01 - Sep 8 with 1296 views | Darth_Koont |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 08:34 - Sep 8 by chicoazul |
At least now everyone agrees with me that he isn’t and has really never been right wing. |
‘Course he’s right wing, you numpty.
You think this and the unavoidable Covid response heralds a new dawn of tax, tax, tax and spend, spend, spend. It’s small potatoes – and it’s only because the Overton window is so far to the right on economics that it looks vaguely progressive.
Ultimately, it’s still lip service. There’ll be no genuine rise in effective tax or any real levelling up/investment in society to speak of. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 10:24 - Sep 8 with 1224 views | Swansea_Blue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 07:40 - Sep 8 by Darth_Koont |
And just saw this ... I don’t disagree re: an NI hike as it’s regressive and punishing those least equipped to pay for it. But we need to grow up and grow up quickly when it comes to the UK’s fetish for low tax.
We already have one of the lowest income tax and corporate tax regimes in the Western world and also one of the lowest tax revenues against GDP. No wonder we can’t or won’t support hungry kids, public services and infrastructure. Let alone prepare for the new and increasing challenges of this century.
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Quite. The mental gymnastics on display on both sides around this tax hike show we're nowhere near that point yet. They're all (all sides) scared witless of needed change in tax for fear of upsetting voters and in wages for fear of upsetting their backers.
It's a dismal cycle of undervaluing and underpaying workers and under investment in services. It's the national version of ITFC under Evans, a pile it high sell it cheap society, Poundland dominated high streets, austerity rules, etc, etc. | |
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