| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads 12:54 - Sep 7 with 13470 views | chicoazul |
He’s putting NI contributions up! Will this crazy fascist government never learn??? |  |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 12:28 - Sep 8 with 2130 views | chicoazul |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 10:24 - Sep 8 by Swansea_Blue |
Quite. The mental gymnastics on display on both sides around this tax hike show we're nowhere near that point yet. They're all (all sides) scared witless of needed change in tax for fear of upsetting voters and in wages for fear of upsetting their backers.
It's a dismal cycle of undervaluing and underpaying workers and under investment in services. It's the national version of ITFC under Evans, a pile it high sell it cheap society, Poundland dominated high streets, austerity rules, etc, etc. |
Sorry but anyone who thinks this country is somehow a terrible place in general or uses “Poundland dominated high streets” as a pejorative or thinks it’s a terrible place to work raise a family start a business etc is very very under-travelled and naive. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 12:40 - Sep 8 with 2105 views | leitrimblue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 22:21 - Sep 7 by GlasgowBlue |
You love an edit.
Well we've already established that the top 1% pay 30% of the total income tax bill so can I assume you wouldn't raise income tax for the top 1%?
So how would you make the tax system "fairer"? |
I would have the top 1% paying 90% of the total income tax bill and then the top 10% pay the rest |  | | |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 14:00 - Sep 8 with 2031 views | baxterbasics |
Most left wing government of my (41 yr) lifetime right here.
That's in the traditional economic sense of course. It could be argued that on cultural/social issues, it's still to the right. Which actually indicates a significant realignment, if this new conservative coalition holds. |  |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 14:03 - Sep 8 with 2026 views | itfcjoe |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 14:00 - Sep 8 by baxterbasics |
Most left wing government of my (41 yr) lifetime right here.
That's in the traditional economic sense of course. It could be argued that on cultural/social issues, it's still to the right. Which actually indicates a significant realignment, if this new conservative coalition holds. |
I don't see how it holds - it is a pretty talentless bunch in Government with the sole role of being subservient and 'Getting Brexit Done'.....there's no ideology behind anything else they do
I'm sure the Conservatives are aware of this and will have flexed sufficiently by the next GE [Post edited 8 Sep 2021 14:03]
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 14:11 - Sep 8 with 2006 views | GlasgowBlue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 14:03 - Sep 8 by itfcjoe |
I don't see how it holds - it is a pretty talentless bunch in Government with the sole role of being subservient and 'Getting Brexit Done'.....there's no ideology behind anything else they do
I'm sure the Conservatives are aware of this and will have flexed sufficiently by the next GE [Post edited 8 Sep 2021 14:03]
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As per my earlier link, Blair/Brown raised NIC by 1% to give the NHS a boost in 2002 and it was hailed by the left as the most Labour move of the Blair government.
That’s not support for yesterday’s policy btw. Just as 2002 it was a cowardly fudge rather than raising income tax which is seen as political suicide. |  |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 14:21 - Sep 8 with 1997 views | GlasgowBlue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 14:03 - Sep 8 by itfcjoe |
I don't see how it holds - it is a pretty talentless bunch in Government with the sole role of being subservient and 'Getting Brexit Done'.....there's no ideology behind anything else they do
I'm sure the Conservatives are aware of this and will have flexed sufficiently by the next GE [Post edited 8 Sep 2021 14:03]
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As per my earlier link, Blair/Brown raised NIC by 1% to give the NHS a boost in 2002 and it was hailed by the left as the most Labour move of the Blair government.
That’s not support for yesterday’s policy btw. Just as 2002 it was a cowardly fudge rather than raising income tax which is seen as political suicide. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 14:23 - Sep 8 with 1997 views | baxterbasics |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 14:11 - Sep 8 by GlasgowBlue |
As per my earlier link, Blair/Brown raised NIC by 1% to give the NHS a boost in 2002 and it was hailed by the left as the most Labour move of the Blair government.
That’s not support for yesterday’s policy btw. Just as 2002 it was a cowardly fudge rather than raising income tax which is seen as political suicide. |
I preferred the May "dementia tax" plan personally. They just made the mistake of announcing it before the election. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 14:27 - Sep 8 with 1990 views | GlasgowBlue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 14:23 - Sep 8 by baxterbasics |
I preferred the May "dementia tax" plan personally. They just made the mistake of announcing it before the election. |
Yeah. She had a 20+ point lead going into the election and gambled that she could afford to lose 5-10 points due to the 'dementia' tax and still win a comfortable majority.
She forgot that people are basically selfish. They agree that there is a social care crisis but don't want to pay for it from their inheritance. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 14:50 - Sep 8 with 1963 views | RobTheMonk |
So the Tories get voted in with all these promises - adamant promises - and then basically go back on them. The main alternative being (at the time) Corbyn (lol). No wonder people are getting disillusioned with politics.
With regards to NI going up, as a two person household we're be down around £400 a year. We can fortunately absorb that without too much problem. But £400 to us is still probably around 6'ish weekly food shops over the course of the year.
Hospitality will probably take another hit with people perhaps thinking twice about a midweek pint or a trip to a restaurant. [Post edited 8 Sep 2021 15:07]
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:22 - Sep 8 with 1925 views | Swansea_Blue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 12:28 - Sep 8 by chicoazul |
Sorry but anyone who thinks this country is somehow a terrible place in general or uses “Poundland dominated high streets” as a pejorative or thinks it’s a terrible place to work raise a family start a business etc is very very under-travelled and naive. |
Or alternatively well travelled, worked and lived abroad, which is what I'm basing my views on. We do an excellent job of underselling and under supporting ourselves. And consequently accept lower standards than I've seen in several other major economies.
I'm not saying the UK is a terrible place. There are many worse places. I'm saying we're in a bit of a low pay/low affordability/low tax/declining services spiral.
It seems more important to many to try and score political points rather than have the conversation needed about funding services properly, (and while were' on it, also about things like tackling issues of wage disparity, poverty, wealth distribution, tax avoidance, and social inequality, etc). |  |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:34 - Sep 8 with 1903 views | chicoazul |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:22 - Sep 8 by Swansea_Blue |
Or alternatively well travelled, worked and lived abroad, which is what I'm basing my views on. We do an excellent job of underselling and under supporting ourselves. And consequently accept lower standards than I've seen in several other major economies.
I'm not saying the UK is a terrible place. There are many worse places. I'm saying we're in a bit of a low pay/low affordability/low tax/declining services spiral.
It seems more important to many to try and score political points rather than have the conversation needed about funding services properly, (and while were' on it, also about things like tackling issues of wage disparity, poverty, wealth distribution, tax avoidance, and social inequality, etc). |
Probably because you don’t want to have a “conversation”. You want everyone to agree with you. Hence “properly” in your statement, implying that others don’t want what is proper as deemed by yourself. This is why people like you have lost every argument at the UK ballot box for many years. You don’t converse with or persuade anyone; you lecture and scold. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:43 - Sep 8 with 1876 views | chicoazul |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 14:00 - Sep 8 by baxterbasics |
Most left wing government of my (41 yr) lifetime right here.
That's in the traditional economic sense of course. It could be argued that on cultural/social issues, it's still to the right. Which actually indicates a significant realignment, if this new conservative coalition holds. |
Many people in the red wall areas are socially conservative and economically progressive. The fat controller knows this and is exploiting it. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:43 - Sep 8 with 1873 views | Darth_Koont |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:34 - Sep 8 by chicoazul |
Probably because you don’t want to have a “conversation”. You want everyone to agree with you. Hence “properly” in your statement, implying that others don’t want what is proper as deemed by yourself. This is why people like you have lost every argument at the UK ballot box for many years. You don’t converse with or persuade anyone; you lecture and scold. |
Aah, the old tone argument.
You could just say you disagree with those priorities and give your list instead. But I’m guessing that be getting a bit too close to the bone. |  |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:48 - Sep 8 with 1855 views | chicoazul |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:43 - Sep 8 by Darth_Koont |
Aah, the old tone argument.
You could just say you disagree with those priorities and give your list instead. But I’m guessing that be getting a bit too close to the bone. |
You didn’t read my post properly. I disagree utterly with the idea these services are not funded “properly”. Your jackpot “hahaha Chico doesn’t want an NHS or green jobs” fails. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:52 - Sep 8 with 1836 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:48 - Sep 8 by chicoazul |
You didn’t read my post properly. I disagree utterly with the idea these services are not funded “properly”. Your jackpot “hahaha Chico doesn’t want an NHS or green jobs” fails. |
You do not agree that services are not funded properly?
So you're saying that you think that services are funded properly? |  |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:58 - Sep 8 with 1818 views | chicoazul |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:52 - Sep 8 by Ewan_Oozami |
You do not agree that services are not funded properly?
So you're saying that you think that services are funded properly? |
Since you’re asking; by and large, yes. I think councils are under funded but not by much, and I don’t agree people shouldn’t have to sell assets to pay for some of their care later in life for instance.
The NHS and central govt are very well funded indeed. They are also mismanaged drastically in procurement and HR in just two instances. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:58 - Sep 8 with 1818 views | Darth_Koont |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:48 - Sep 8 by chicoazul |
You didn’t read my post properly. I disagree utterly with the idea these services are not funded “properly”. Your jackpot “hahaha Chico doesn’t want an NHS or green jobs” fails. |
But I did read it. Now you’re saying there is no argument against but still that the ”tone” is still the issue.
That line always seems to be pushed by people who don’t really want to do anything substantial about climate change, poverty, injustice, democracy, wars etc etc. In fact, it’s pretty much the mantra of the selfish and self-absorbed. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 16:00 - Sep 8 with 1813 views | chicoazul |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:58 - Sep 8 by Darth_Koont |
But I did read it. Now you’re saying there is no argument against but still that the ”tone” is still the issue.
That line always seems to be pushed by people who don’t really want to do anything substantial about climate change, poverty, injustice, democracy, wars etc etc. In fact, it’s pretty much the mantra of the selfish and self-absorbed. |
I’m explaining why people who hold yours and Swansea’s positions are on a losing streak. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 16:26 - Sep 8 with 1766 views | HARRY10 |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 16:00 - Sep 8 by chicoazul |
I’m explaining why people who hold yours and Swansea’s positions are on a losing streak. |
People in Afghanistan who oppose the Taliban are on a losing streak
People in many midwest towns in the US who support wearing a mask are on a losing streak
People who once supported the idea of evolution were once on a losing streak |  | | |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 16:32 - Sep 8 with 1762 views | baxterbasics |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:43 - Sep 8 by chicoazul |
Many people in the red wall areas are socially conservative and economically progressive. The fat controller knows this and is exploiting it. |
Agree with this. Small-state/low tax conservatives have nowhere else to turn to right now so it's low risk for Bozza. Don't see the likes of JRM rushing to save the day any time soon. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 16:41 - Sep 8 with 1747 views | HARRY10 |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 16:32 - Sep 8 by baxterbasics |
Agree with this. Small-state/low tax conservatives have nowhere else to turn to right now so it's low risk for Bozza. Don't see the likes of JRM rushing to save the day any time soon. |
" Small-state/low tax conservatives have nowhere else to turn to right now "
years of under investment and austerity were bound to hit home at some point, as they always do
odd how Scandinavian countries don't follow this idea, yet seem to have a better society | | | |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 17:07 - Sep 8 with 1712 views | chicoazul |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 16:41 - Sep 8 by HARRY10 |
" Small-state/low tax conservatives have nowhere else to turn to right now "
years of under investment and austerity were bound to hit home at some point, as they always do
odd how Scandinavian countries don't follow this idea, yet seem to have a better society |
It’s almost as if it’s easier to order small rich societies than small complex highly populated rich ones. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 17:12 - Sep 8 with 1699 views | HARRY10 |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 17:07 - Sep 8 by chicoazul |
It’s almost as if it’s easier to order small rich societies than small complex highly populated rich ones. |
eh ? | | | |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 17:13 - Sep 8 with 1699 views | Darth_Koont |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 16:00 - Sep 8 by chicoazul |
I’m explaining why people who hold yours and Swansea’s positions are on a losing streak. |
Losing streak in the UK over the past few decades, definitely. But the UK is out of step and heading for a crash on its own.
Across humanity there’s been an overall move left since the Enlightenment. The reactionary conservatives are on the real losing streak. | |
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| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 17:16 - Sep 8 with 1694 views | Swansea_Blue |
| That mad right winger Boris Johnson is at it again lads on 15:34 - Sep 8 by chicoazul |
Probably because you don’t want to have a “conversation”. You want everyone to agree with you. Hence “properly” in your statement, implying that others don’t want what is proper as deemed by yourself. This is why people like you have lost every argument at the UK ballot box for many years. You don’t converse with or persuade anyone; you lecture and scold. |
Don't be daft, it's not about me. It's about the impacts on services in the UK across the board. The impacts are being raised by those who deliver and use the the services, they're not being defined by me.
(I'm not sure how many ballot box results I've been on the wrong side of actually. Probably quite a few as I used to mostly vote Lib Dem and we normally return Labour MPs and AMs here. I think the last GE was the first time I voted Labour and that was because our candidate is a hard working MP and the Tory candidate thought people like those on the show Benefits Street should be put down). | |
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