| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) 07:46 - Sep 12 with 5236 views | MaySixth |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 10:11 - Sep 12 with 935 views | SenatorBlue |
I’m as worried as anyone that our new teams start has been quite as poor as it has been. It’s not the quality, and our forward play (apart from yesterday second half) has been a step up. It’s that we look so wide open, caught wrong side as a team so often, and appear to have the same frail mentality as before.
I don’t think changing a manager at this point is the answer. He’s only just got his own team together, and some of his key signings are still to play. Changing now would be a nonsense. But the clock is ticking, and the fear is bad form becomes a mental thing, which the signs of happening are obvious.
For me, I’ve never been a fan of not getting in the full management team. Cook is a good manager, his track record shows this, but we needed to have also ensured we would acquire Richardson too before we hired him.
My read based on what I see is Cook and the coaches are all good and focussed on the in possession and forward elements of our game. I can’t see which coach, or Cook, is focused on out of possession. We appear to have no plan when that happens eg pressing in singles and have zero compactness.
For me no where near time for Cook to go, that would be total tinpottery of the highest order. Time to hire a defensive coach. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 10:52]
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 10:13 - Sep 12 with 926 views | BiGDonnie |
Nope.
Cook out. |  |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 10:17 - Sep 12 with 917 views | bluelagos |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 10:11 - Sep 12 by SenatorBlue |
I’m as worried as anyone that our new teams start has been quite as poor as it has been. It’s not the quality, and our forward play (apart from yesterday second half) has been a step up. It’s that we look so wide open, caught wrong side as a team so often, and appear to have the same frail mentality as before.
I don’t think changing a manager at this point is the answer. He’s only just got his own team together, and some of his key signings are still to play. Changing now would be a nonsense. But the clock is ticking, and the fear is bad form becomes a mental thing, which the signs of happening are obvious.
For me, I’ve never been a fan of not getting in the full management team. Cook is a good manager, his track record shows this, but we needed to have also ensured we would acquire Richardson too before we hired him.
My read based on what I see is Cook and the coaches are all good and focussed on the in possession and forward elements of our game. I can’t see which coach, or Cook, is focused on out of possession. We appear to have no plan when that happens eg pressing in singles and have zero compactness.
For me no where near time for Cook to go, that would be total tinpottery of the highest order. Time to hire a defensive coach. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 10:52]
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 10:34 - Sep 12 with 886 views | J4ck22 |
I just don't really see how changing manager at this point will help us. What happens next if we do sack Cook? A lot of these players are only here because of him and a new manager means having to start this process all over again and changing the squad again.
It's still early days and if things continue to point seriously towards relegation then we obviously won't have a choice, but otherwise it might just be better to persist with it for a while until it improves. |  | | |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 10:40 - Sep 12 with 875 views | pointofblue |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 08:53 - Sep 12 by bluelagos |
That's pretty much my position. Just maybe I'd be a bit more patient in so far as expecting a team of strangers to gel.
We have a new central midfielder to come. The defense can only improve.
And it does have to improve - but we have half of it looking promising (going forward) - so it's far from gameover imho. |
And what happens if his apparently best midfielder gets a long term injury? We write off the season as Cook is seemingly clueless on how to set us up without him? Prepare for a lot of new grounds in League Two?
And what if Morsy and Celina are about as useful to us as most of is other signings have been? Other than Burns, Bonne, Edwards, Aluko yesterday and Coulson/Penney in fits and starts I’m not sure if any of them are showing signs of being an upgrade on last year’s squad. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 10:43]
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 10:42 - Sep 12 with 861 views | timothyeo |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 08:15 - Sep 12 by Churchman |
Norwich sacked club legend Bryan Gunn after one humiliating home game against Colchester and rightly so. Great bloke though he is, Bryan just wasn’t up to it.
After a hiding at home like that and constructing a laughably weak team, Cook appears clueless. It doesn’t matter what his track record was or whether he has employed The Clangers to do his coaching, it’s his team we are what we are and where we are. No excuses
We should be going into next week’s game with Lincoln worrying about us. As it is they should put the game to bed by half time and even if they don’t, they know the opposition will be done after 60 mins.
I did say end of October, but not now after yesterday’s shambles. Give him to the end of September and use the time to look at a replacement. |
The Norwich point is a relevant one. Tinpot as they are their fans were far less accepting of League One than us, and its shown in the results. | | | |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 10:43 - Sep 12 with 856 views | DanTheMan |
I'm still on the fence. Maybe he can turn it around but the signs aren't good. I'm really shocked at how we persist with some things that to me obviously don't seem to be working, especially tactically.
For example we're constantly exploited when our full backs commit and you'd think having one of Evans or Harper sit a little deeper to cover would be a good idea but we just don't see it. Hell, I'd rather have Carroll in there at this point.
A change of manager would be a hell of a gamble. |  |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 10:45 - Sep 12 with 851 views | leitrimblue |
I am, thought it would take at least 10-15 games for this new team to start performing (never expected it would be quite as awful as this) and that's still the case. |  | | |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 10:47 - Sep 12 with 841 views | pointofblue |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 10:43 - Sep 12 by DanTheMan |
I'm still on the fence. Maybe he can turn it around but the signs aren't good. I'm really shocked at how we persist with some things that to me obviously don't seem to be working, especially tactically.
For example we're constantly exploited when our full backs commit and you'd think having one of Evans or Harper sit a little deeper to cover would be a good idea but we just don't see it. Hell, I'd rather have Carroll in there at this point.
A change of manager would be a hell of a gamble. |
We need to ditch the number ten position for now and add Carroll to centre midfield, at least until Morsy is ready. Whoever is playing that role is utterly non-existent under our current set up - taking Fraser, putting him in his favourite position and then basically making him disappear is a stunning piece of wizardry. | |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 10:50 - Sep 12 with 822 views | ITFCBlues |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 10:43 - Sep 12 by DanTheMan |
I'm still on the fence. Maybe he can turn it around but the signs aren't good. I'm really shocked at how we persist with some things that to me obviously don't seem to be working, especially tactically.
For example we're constantly exploited when our full backs commit and you'd think having one of Evans or Harper sit a little deeper to cover would be a good idea but we just don't see it. Hell, I'd rather have Carroll in there at this point.
A change of manager would be a hell of a gamble. |
I'm the same. We've allowed him to bring his players in, let's allow a little more time to see if he adapts although I'm starting to have my doubts now.
We don't seem to be tweaking anything tactically. We can't play the current system due to the issues in CM but we keep persisting with it |  |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 10:54 - Sep 12 with 823 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
I am beginning to picture a clown when I see and hear him which can't be good. Whenever change comes, please, no more Pauls. |  |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:03 - Sep 12 with 794 views | skankerman |
Stay with him
A number 2 is required
Looking at a strong squad just need a good man along side him
Too early to dismiss him most players have only signed because of PC | | | |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:04 - Sep 12 with 791 views | positivity |
of course. you don't let a manager rip up the squad, sign 19 players to fit his system and then panic because we've lost the first 6 games with players arriving all the time.
if we're still struggling in late november/early december then you consider it in time for the next window | |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:04 - Sep 12 with 791 views | jayessess |
Having invested so much in his squad we ultimately have to play out the string on his tenure and give him as long as possible.
That said, I think his position is getting very close to untenable and I don't see any hint that Cook knows how to fix it beyond Morsy being a cure all for our defensive issues. |  |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:10 - Sep 12 with 764 views | positivity |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:04 - Sep 12 by jayessess |
Having invested so much in his squad we ultimately have to play out the string on his tenure and give him as long as possible.
That said, I think his position is getting very close to untenable and I don't see any hint that Cook knows how to fix it beyond Morsy being a cure all for our defensive issues. |
there are other avenues to try before the potentially suicidal one of sacking him.
bringing in a defensive-minded coach/assistant manager would be one if the problems continue in the short term | |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:11 - Sep 12 with 748 views | chrismakin |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:10 - Sep 12 by positivity |
there are other avenues to try before the potentially suicidal one of sacking him.
bringing in a defensive-minded coach/assistant manager would be one if the problems continue in the short term |
If Ashton did that, would that not cause friction with PC anyway?
PC needs to bring in his own assistant, he can't have one selected for him. |  |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:15 - Sep 12 with 746 views | jayessess |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:10 - Sep 12 by positivity |
there are other avenues to try before the potentially suicidal one of sacking him.
bringing in a defensive-minded coach/assistant manager would be one if the problems continue in the short term |
"Bring in a new coach for X" strikes me as one of those things fans say when they've reached the bargaining stage for a failing coach that they like. I don't think I've seen too many real world examples where a change of back room staff made much difference. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 11:40]
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:15 - Sep 12 with 744 views | positivity |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:11 - Sep 12 by chrismakin |
If Ashton did that, would that not cause friction with PC anyway?
PC needs to bring in his own assistant, he can't have one selected for him. |
i wasn't suggesting that, it would be a collaboration | |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:16 - Sep 12 with 734 views | chrismakin |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:15 - Sep 12 by jayessess |
"Bring in a new coach for X" strikes me as one of those things fans say when they've reached the bargaining stage for a failing coach that they like. I don't think I've seen too many real world examples where a change of back room staff made much difference. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 11:40]
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Probably because the set up at clubs usually covered defence already lol | |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:18 - Sep 12 with 741 views | positivity |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:15 - Sep 12 by jayessess |
"Bring in a new coach for X" strikes me as one of those things fans say when they've reached the bargaining stage for a failing coach that they like. I don't think I've seen too many real world examples where a change of back room staff made much difference. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 11:40]
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i seem to remember john gorman and bryan hamilton making big differences | |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:19 - Sep 12 with 736 views | pointofblue |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:15 - Sep 12 by jayessess |
"Bring in a new coach for X" strikes me as one of those things fans say when they've reached the bargaining stage for a failing coach that they like. I don't think I've seen too many real world examples where a change of back room staff made much difference. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 11:40]
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I’d normally agree but our coaching team is a mess. We have no one of any defensive nous whatsoever and no one with enough experience to be able to debate and assist Cook with in-game decision making. Every time I looked down at him yesterday he was alone, looking on - he seemingly has no one to bounce off or confide in.
This isn’t an excuse as he seemingly picked this team but I think Ashton needs to pull rank now and insist something needs to give. | |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:28 - Sep 12 with 723 views | itfcjoe |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:15 - Sep 12 by jayessess |
"Bring in a new coach for X" strikes me as one of those things fans say when they've reached the bargaining stage for a failing coach that they like. I don't think I've seen too many real world examples where a change of back room staff made much difference. [Post edited 12 Sep 2021 11:40]
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And it has to be Cook seeing this and choosing to do so - if people are suggesting that the club impose something on him then you may as well just sack him now |  |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:31 - Sep 12 with 708 views | Ryorry |
I'm in the 'stick with him for now (Sept & Oct approx) but bring McGreal in specifically to work on the defensive side of things' camp. |  |
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:39 - Sep 12 with 670 views | AndySav04 |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:31 - Sep 12 by Ryorry |
I'm in the 'stick with him for now (Sept & Oct approx) but bring McGreal in specifically to work on the defensive side of things' camp. |
He should go. 4 wins since he arrived..
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| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:41 - Sep 12 with 655 views | chrismakin |
| Is anyone on here still with me that we should stick with Paul Cook? (n/t) on 11:31 - Sep 12 by Ryorry |
I'm in the 'stick with him for now (Sept & Oct approx) but bring McGreal in specifically to work on the defensive side of things' camp. |
I think PC's waiting to get a couple wins on the board before bringing in an Assistant.
Do it now, and we start winning, PC's lost all managerial credit other than his new assistant making the difference. | |
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