| Standard Ipswich 09:46 - Sep 14 with 5798 views | OsborneOneNil |
New American owners. Massive financial backing. Recruit one of the best squads seen at Div 3 level. Have a manager who most (me included) were totally DELIGHTED to acquire.
And we are 22nd with no wins. Wtf.
I’m not giving up on Cook, just yet, and I pray he gets this sorted as he seemed the clear and obvious choice….but I am worried. I’m clinging to the fact we are only 6 games in. That isn’t any sort of time for a completely new squad to get playing to a level. I know there are exceptions, such as Wigan, but it’s not a given.
Come on Town….time to stand up. [Post edited 14 Sep 2021 10:28]
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| Standard Ipswich on 09:53 - Sep 14 with 4870 views | hype313 |
Yep, I was expecting a little bit of turbulence, but certainly not to this extent.
We clearly have gifted players, and players that on paper are too good for this level.
The biggest concern is Cook, I feel like he's a bit like a rabbit caught in headlights, the Jackson substitution on Saturday was baffling.
Let's hope things start coming together, but he needs to vastly improve the previous results and performances. |  |
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| Standard Ipswich on 10:23 - Sep 14 with 4734 views | Metal_Hacker |
Think we’re witnessing PC’s inflexibility or simply we’re missing some quality coaches
Think that’s the long snd shirt of it for me
Old cliche being “if it’s not broken why fix it ?” - we’re in the reverse cycle here. It’s totally fooked playing this system. Mix it up snd try your 4-4-2 or a 5-2-3 perhaps
Things need to change surely |  |
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| Standard Ipswich on 10:25 - Sep 14 with 4715 views | BiGDonnie |
The longer we go without an assistant more doubts are raised over the owners and manager in my view. |  |
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| Standard Ipswich on 10:25 - Sep 14 with 4710 views | davblue |
Why does it always have to be 4-4-2?
We've recruited to play a number 10, that much is obvious. I know it isn't working so far but we could have some talent not getting a game who we've paid some decent fees for in this league.
The make up of the side isn't quite right so far, whether that's personnel or we aren't hitting our stride yet who knows but we look a long way off anything. |  | | |
| Standard Ipswich on 10:26 - Sep 14 with 4714 views | hype313 |
I fear he might die on his rigid formation stance.
Given our wing backs haven't been firing on all cylinders I do wonder if going 442 might just settle things down a bit, can't help but think Piggot and Bonne together would do some damage. | |
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| Standard Ipswich on 10:33 - Sep 14 with 4670 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Standard Ipswich on 10:25 - Sep 14 by davblue |
Why does it always have to be 4-4-2?
We've recruited to play a number 10, that much is obvious. I know it isn't working so far but we could have some talent not getting a game who we've paid some decent fees for in this league.
The make up of the side isn't quite right so far, whether that's personnel or we aren't hitting our stride yet who knows but we look a long way off anything. |
That's right, and who knows, as simplistic as it sounds maybe once we get Morsy in that side it might all click. Maybe, Harper and Evans are the absolute issue.....and whilst they are clearly quality players, perhaps they are too similar and we need Morsy in there to mix it up.
Here's hoping.
Ps: then we have Celina to come in too......Christ, if we don't get wins with those 2 added then it is clearly Cook/coaching issue. | | | |
| Standard Ipswich on 10:59 - Sep 14 with 4544 views | JammyDodgerrr |
How does it give more presence to the midfield? It's actually playing one less in midfield whilst asking your two CMs to do more(something our current two are already failing at)
This constant clamour for 442 always baffles me - it is just not a good formation anymore and that is exactly why most of football has moved away from it. |  |
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| Standard Ipswich on 11:47 - Sep 14 with 4283 views | Wallingford_Boy |
| Standard Ipswich on 10:25 - Sep 14 by davblue |
Why does it always have to be 4-4-2?
We've recruited to play a number 10, that much is obvious. I know it isn't working so far but we could have some talent not getting a game who we've paid some decent fees for in this league.
The make up of the side isn't quite right so far, whether that's personnel or we aren't hitting our stride yet who knows but we look a long way off anything. |
3-5-2 for me (when in possession).
Woolfie Edmundson Burgess
KVY Coulson
Burns Morsy Edwards
Bonne Pigott |  |
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| Standard Ipswich on 11:58 - Sep 14 with 4243 views | Romeo4 |
| Standard Ipswich on 11:47 - Sep 14 by Wallingford_Boy |
3-5-2 for me (when in possession).
Woolfie Edmundson Burgess
KVY Coulson
Burns Morsy Edwards
Bonne Pigott |
This formation may well suit our personnel. However opposing teams often play with just 1 main striker which means at least one of our 3 CBs would be unnecessary and would potentially leave Morsy completely overloaded in the middle of the park.
The key to any team shape is good players (which we have) and an element of flexibility. Adapting to different phases of a game. Our last manager couldn’t address this and it’s becoming a little worrying that the current one can’t (or won’t) either. |  | | |
| Standard Ipswich on 12:27 - Sep 14 with 4128 views | Illinoisblue |
As much as Cook has been terrible - and let’s be honest, it’s Hurst levels of awfulness - you would hope the players would show some pride and not roll over and buckle in every damn game. |  |
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| Standard Ipswich on 12:29 - Sep 14 with 4095 views | BlueBadger |
| Standard Ipswich on 12:27 - Sep 14 by Illinoisblue |
As much as Cook has been terrible - and let’s be honest, it’s Hurst levels of awfulness - you would hope the players would show some pride and not roll over and buckle in every damn game. |
I'm starting to feel like 'Hurst is a very unlucky man to have not one, but TWO whole squads of players not interested in winning games. I wonder if there's a common denominator' is becoming the new 'improved football and a better match day experience'. |  |
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| Standard Ipswich on 12:39 - Sep 14 with 4015 views | Chrisd |
I agree Bluebeat. PC's managerial record is a good one, when some are comparing him to PH I find that laughable, but why is he struggling so much here? It's not because he's a fraud as other clubs would've exposed him previously. Then, you look at our new squad, the new signings on the whole, are an upgrade on what we had previously, with a couple of exceptions. Look at the reactions from most when we were signing these players this summer, the majority of us -me included - were more than happy who had been brought in, there weren't too many complaints. |  |
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| Standard Ipswich on 12:54 - Sep 14 with 3923 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Standard Ipswich on 12:39 - Sep 14 by Chrisd |
I agree Bluebeat. PC's managerial record is a good one, when some are comparing him to PH I find that laughable, but why is he struggling so much here? It's not because he's a fraud as other clubs would've exposed him previously. Then, you look at our new squad, the new signings on the whole, are an upgrade on what we had previously, with a couple of exceptions. Look at the reactions from most when we were signing these players this summer, the majority of us -me included - were more than happy who had been brought in, there weren't too many complaints. |
Has to be the coaching right ?
Quality players and a quality manager don’t become a lesser standard within weeks for no apparent but if a plan isn’t created properly or executed correctly , it’ll never work
It’s coaching , has to be | |
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| Standard Ipswich on 13:26 - Sep 14 with 3793 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Standard Ipswich on 12:54 - Sep 14 by Metal_Hacker |
Has to be the coaching right ?
Quality players and a quality manager don’t become a lesser standard within weeks for no apparent but if a plan isn’t created properly or executed correctly , it’ll never work
It’s coaching , has to be |
You're right, has to be. It appears we are neglecting how to play when out of possession. | | | |
| Standard Ipswich on 13:33 - Sep 14 with 3739 views | Chrisd |
| Standard Ipswich on 13:26 - Sep 14 by OsborneOneNil |
You're right, has to be. It appears we are neglecting how to play when out of possession. |
But how can a manager with a good reputation and a decent playing career not think that was important? Just find it really strange. | |
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| Standard Ipswich on 14:22 - Sep 14 with 3603 views | backwaywhen |
Liam Richardson | | | |
| Standard Ipswich on 14:40 - Sep 14 with 3569 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Standard Ipswich on 14:22 - Sep 14 by backwaywhen |
Liam Richardson |
I'm tending to start to believe it's the missing link - Leam RIchardson
If not LR ,just a decent tactically astute individual who has the ear of PC and the credibility to be able to be the go between the players and PC as well .An assistant who can identify an issue in a game and voice his opinion to PC to make changes | |
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| Standard Ipswich on 15:04 - Sep 14 with 3498 views | BlueNomad |
| Standard Ipswich on 14:40 - Sep 14 by Metal_Hacker |
I'm tending to start to believe it's the missing link - Leam RIchardson
If not LR ,just a decent tactically astute individual who has the ear of PC and the credibility to be able to be the go between the players and PC as well .An assistant who can identify an issue in a game and voice his opinion to PC to make changes |
McGreal should be the word |  | | |
| Standard Ipswich on 15:14 - Sep 14 with 3446 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Standard Ipswich on 15:04 - Sep 14 by BlueNomad |
McGreal should be the word |
I mentioned McGreal like loads have only last week
They're good mates or so we're told (him and PC) - He's not working but by all accounts he might not want a number 2 job
Dunno either way , PC needs help I reckon - or simply stop being stubborn OR the other coaches need to man up and voice their own opinions perhaps | |
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| Standard Ipswich on 15:24 - Sep 14 with 3417 views | jayessess |
| Standard Ipswich on 10:59 - Sep 14 by JammyDodgerrr |
How does it give more presence to the midfield? It's actually playing one less in midfield whilst asking your two CMs to do more(something our current two are already failing at)
This constant clamour for 442 always baffles me - it is just not a good formation anymore and that is exactly why most of football has moved away from it. |
Me too in general, although at the minute I can't help but think that a conventional 4-4-2 (or pretty much any formation you can imagine really) would be a lot more defensively solid than the de facto 4-0-6 we're playing, where invariably losing the ball means a lot of one-on-one defending for everyone. |  |
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| Standard Ipswich on 15:29 - Sep 14 with 3403 views | gordon |
| Standard Ipswich on 10:33 - Sep 14 by OsborneOneNil |
That's right, and who knows, as simplistic as it sounds maybe once we get Morsy in that side it might all click. Maybe, Harper and Evans are the absolute issue.....and whilst they are clearly quality players, perhaps they are too similar and we need Morsy in there to mix it up.
Here's hoping.
Ps: then we have Celina to come in too......Christ, if we don't get wins with those 2 added then it is clearly Cook/coaching issue. |
Yeah, to me Harper and Evans have looked really poor. |  | | |
| Standard Ipswich on 15:37 - Sep 14 with 3356 views | gordon |
| Standard Ipswich on 15:24 - Sep 14 by jayessess |
Me too in general, although at the minute I can't help but think that a conventional 4-4-2 (or pretty much any formation you can imagine really) would be a lot more defensively solid than the de facto 4-0-6 we're playing, where invariably losing the ball means a lot of one-on-one defending for everyone. |
Don't think the formation matters as much as people think except defensively - going from a back four to 3 centre-backs and vice versa is quite a big change for the centre-backs, full-backs and midfielders in terms of positioning and responsibilities etc.
But in an attacking sense, there's really not that much difference between 4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1, 4-4-1-1 whatever, because attackers need less positional discipline (except the centre-forward maybe), and indeed being more fluid makes it harder for the opposition to deal with. | | | |
| Standard Ipswich on 16:05 - Sep 14 with 887 views | JackSted |
I've said this before and I'll say it again...
Get a witch doctor down to PR to do some sort of exorcism on the ground [Post edited 14 Sep 2021 16:06]
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| Standard Ipswich on 17:04 - Sep 14 with 833 views | JackSted |
Same thing happened for Bruce Grobbelaar at Liverpool.
Apparently he was told by a witchdoctor to urinate on each goalpost during his testimonial match at Anfield, but only managed to do it at one end and not the other (he said he got caught by the stewards lol)
Since that, Liverpool never won the league, until Bruce did a charity match at Anfield in 2018/19 and he bought a bottle of his own wee with him so he could splash it at the goalposts he missed. Next season Liverpool won the league for the first time hahahahaha | |
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| Standard Ipswich on 17:27 - Sep 14 with 804 views | Bluedicea |
It takes time.
I have helped set up and start a few businesses in my time. One was a restaurant, now my mate had bought it, it was a failing business but still had great potential.
We upgraded everything and hired all new staff, They were all professionals and a few had worked together before, after a great couple of opening nights, things slowed down.
This was mostly due to the staff, they were unfamiliar with each other, got in each other's way, the head chef didn't really know who he could trust properly to carry out the skills and quality he demanded. Which in turn affected the front of house, with wait times increasing and food not always to the highest standard that was set.
After a couple of weeks of this the manager, my mate, was ready to bin people. I convinced him to wait, that it would come good, because the quality was there, it was just simply these people didn't know and trust each other.
After a couple of closed doors party/meetings, things clicked. The staff felt more comfortable, they understood their roles better and things picked up, now my mate has a thriving restaurant.
Not the same as a football club, I know, but I'm guessing very few of you have ever really seen or been involved in such a large turnover of staff. The fact is 99% of the time, things never go right, it always takes some time to come good. The owners are not going to keep hold of failing staff, but they aren't just going to make another huge change so soon, their calculations will have targets by set dates that need to be achieved, it's only when these are missed that they will consider taking action. |  |
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