| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. 15:51 - Sep 20 with 16057 views | unstableblue |
... anymore unless you are loaded or have a company offering you a professional contract over a period of time
I would have loved Unstable junior to go and work a summer of ski season.. or just go and bum round Europe getting casual work
But that aside if someone a little older wanted to take a punt on opening a business in Europe, change of lifestyle, climate... you need serious ongoing income, medical insurance
I know someone going to study in Italy for a short time, as its over 9 weeks they're going through a full visa process
This really is b@llox isn't it? what a load of lies and 'project fear' cack the majority were fed... so what they could get pounds and ounces at the green grocers... a new royal yacht.. blue passports... and a trade deal with Australia (which is woeful)
We need to get this government out, go on a charm offensive... and start trying to build the best arrangement and deals we can possibly get.. and make some frickin concessions |  |
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| Is this a joke? on 23:09 - Sep 22 with 1724 views | unstableblue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 10:25 - Sep 22 by The_Last_Baron |
The Visa process is simple. couldn't be easier.
You book an appointment at the consulate and fill in an application form. You show that you have a good reason to live in the country, show you have money to support yourself and a place to stay. And medical insurance which doesn't really cost that much.
If you are going to work you need to prove you have a job to go to. Fair enough.
And in any case, you can visit any EU country for 90 days out of 180 which is enough for the vast majority of UK nationals.
So in a nutshell you can live in EU countries if you can show you won't be a financial burden to the state and you have a reason for living there. |
I’m serious? Are you joking
You’ve just outlined why any working class kid who wants to try and ‘give it a go’ in Europe simply can’t
And why a firm looking to invest in a European country who wants good labour options wouldn’t invest in UK PLC
Your reply is ridiculous
You are basically saying only privileged people can work in Europe.. that what you’ve just said
It’s like you’ve been brainwashed | |
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| Is this a joke? on 10:08 - Sep 23 with 1618 views | noggin |
| Is this a joke? on 23:09 - Sep 22 by unstableblue |
I’m serious? Are you joking
You’ve just outlined why any working class kid who wants to try and ‘give it a go’ in Europe simply can’t
And why a firm looking to invest in a European country who wants good labour options wouldn’t invest in UK PLC
Your reply is ridiculous
You are basically saying only privileged people can work in Europe.. that what you’ve just said
It’s like you’ve been brainwashed |
Brexiters will never own their mess. They won and that gives them a feeling of success. They care not of the detail. |  |
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| Is this a joke? on 11:05 - Sep 23 with 1580 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Is this a joke? on 10:08 - Sep 23 by noggin |
Brexiters will never own their mess. They won and that gives them a feeling of success. They care not of the detail. |
Oh dear Noggin, trust me we own it. We just do not spend an interminable amount of our lives on social media (because of personal reasons I have spent far too long on here myself this week!) reacting to over the top allegations and personal insults. Why should we attempt to dialogue with those whose opinions are so entrenched as to render them ridiculously biased.
There are serious issues attached to the yes vote of which we are all aware, but Brexit is now being blamed for all manner of ills some of which is just silly nonsense.
I care not for an argument or to trade any personal insults, but I take full responsibility for my vote. |  | | |
| Is this a joke? on 11:32 - Sep 23 with 1553 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Is this a joke? on 23:09 - Sep 22 by unstableblue |
I’m serious? Are you joking
You’ve just outlined why any working class kid who wants to try and ‘give it a go’ in Europe simply can’t
And why a firm looking to invest in a European country who wants good labour options wouldn’t invest in UK PLC
Your reply is ridiculous
You are basically saying only privileged people can work in Europe.. that what you’ve just said
It’s like you’ve been brainwashed |
If you have a job lined up most countries ask to show you have enough money to live on for 30 days at £20 a day. £600. It isn't a lot of money. Health insurance another £200 for a year. |  |
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| Is this a joke? on 11:35 - Sep 23 with 1545 views | mylittletown |
| Is this a joke? on 11:32 - Sep 23 by The_Last_Baron |
If you have a job lined up most countries ask to show you have enough money to live on for 30 days at £20 a day. £600. It isn't a lot of money. Health insurance another £200 for a year. |
And are they allowed to eat cake? |  | | |
| Is this a joke? on 11:36 - Sep 23 with 1544 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Is this a joke? on 11:05 - Sep 23 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Oh dear Noggin, trust me we own it. We just do not spend an interminable amount of our lives on social media (because of personal reasons I have spent far too long on here myself this week!) reacting to over the top allegations and personal insults. Why should we attempt to dialogue with those whose opinions are so entrenched as to render them ridiculously biased.
There are serious issues attached to the yes vote of which we are all aware, but Brexit is now being blamed for all manner of ills some of which is just silly nonsense.
I care not for an argument or to trade any personal insults, but I take full responsibility for my vote. |
The only vote I've ever cast and felt 100% sure about was the one in the referendum.
The relentless fight the establishment put up to overturn it is further proof it was the right decision. | |
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| Is this a joke? on 11:42 - Sep 23 with 1538 views | ellerblue |
| Is this a joke? on 11:32 - Sep 23 by The_Last_Baron |
If you have a job lined up most countries ask to show you have enough money to live on for 30 days at £20 a day. £600. It isn't a lot of money. Health insurance another £200 for a year. |
I live in the EU ( Germany) please enlighten me how i could live on 20 pounds a day because obviously i am doing something wrong and as for Health insurance please direct me to the 200 pounds per year , here health insurance that is recognized costs 14 per cent approx of salary my wife pays in excess of 240 euros per month | |
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| Is this a joke? on 11:47 - Sep 23 with 1525 views | mylittletown |
| Is this a joke? on 11:36 - Sep 23 by The_Last_Baron |
The only vote I've ever cast and felt 100% sure about was the one in the referendum.
The relentless fight the establishment put up to overturn it is further proof it was the right decision. |
The Establishment?
Do you really think that Johnson, Gove, Rees Mogg, David Davies, Rupert Murdoch, The Times, The Daily Telegraph, The Daily Mail, The Daily Express etc etc are not The Establishment?
Brexit was fight between two elements of The Establishment. | | | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 11:56 - Sep 23 with 1515 views | Herbivore |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 15:26 - Sep 22 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Both sides were aware of the consequences. You just want to believe it was only those who voted Remain; it suits your argument.
I have already pointed out how those that voted for Brexit were well aware of any USA no trade deal.
They were also aware that they would be £4300 annually worse off - Mr Osborne the chancellor told them so. Yet still they voted to leave.
Of course though it was only the 'leave' campaign that told porkies.... |
It's not like any of that stuff was dismissed as project fear or that Michael Gove declared people have had enough of experts when the experts were telling Brexiteers things they didn't want to hear. No, everything was crystal clear and people chose to vote on perfect information. That's definitely how it went. |  |
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| Is this a joke? on 11:58 - Sep 23 with 1511 views | noggin |
| Is this a joke? on 11:32 - Sep 23 by The_Last_Baron |
If you have a job lined up most countries ask to show you have enough money to live on for 30 days at £20 a day. £600. It isn't a lot of money. Health insurance another £200 for a year. |
20 quid wouldn't buy you dinner here. | |
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| Is this a joke? on 12:00 - Sep 23 with 1504 views | Herbivore |
| Is this a joke? on 11:36 - Sep 23 by The_Last_Baron |
The only vote I've ever cast and felt 100% sure about was the one in the referendum.
The relentless fight the establishment put up to overturn it is further proof it was the right decision. |
Jesus wept. | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 12:06 - Sep 23 with 1472 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 11:56 - Sep 23 by Herbivore |
It's not like any of that stuff was dismissed as project fear or that Michael Gove declared people have had enough of experts when the experts were telling Brexiteers things they didn't want to hear. No, everything was crystal clear and people chose to vote on perfect information. That's definitely how it went. |
On a point of order Herbie, gove didn’t dismiss all experts. The full quote was in relation to those who got it so badly wrong in 2008.
“I think the people in this country have had enough of experts from organisations with acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong”. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 12:30]
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| Is this a joke? on 12:07 - Sep 23 with 1476 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Is this a joke? on 12:00 - Sep 23 by Herbivore |
Jesus wept. |
Another fib if you are meaning he wept about Brexit. He wept three times methinks.
John 11:35, Luke 19:41 and Hebrews 5:7-9. By the way these are the chapter and verse details not the time of day he wept. Just for avoidance of doubt. | | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 12:37 - Sep 23 with 1430 views | Herbivore |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 12:06 - Sep 23 by GlasgowBlue |
On a point of order Herbie, gove didn’t dismiss all experts. The full quote was in relation to those who got it so badly wrong in 2008.
“I think the people in this country have had enough of experts from organisations with acronyms saying that they know what is best and getting it consistently wrong”. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 12:30]
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I know you're a fan of Gove but his overall intention was to discredit those forecasting that Brexit would be a clusterf**k. Turns out they were right and also turns out that saying we've had enough of experts makes it much harder to get people to believe the experts you want them to believe. | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 12:55 - Sep 23 with 1406 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 12:37 - Sep 23 by Herbivore |
I know you're a fan of Gove but his overall intention was to discredit those forecasting that Brexit would be a clusterf**k. Turns out they were right and also turns out that saying we've had enough of experts makes it much harder to get people to believe the experts you want them to believe. |
Not so much a fan these days but at the time, yes.
But it’s important to get that quote right. Especially in the context of the main campaign predicting an extra 1 million unemployed (unemployment fell), the house market collapsing (house prices continue to rise ), World War 3 (see how easy it is to take a quote out of context and make it look ridiculous) and a punishment budget (although as somebody who has no love for the policies of the Tory government you may think every budget under them is a punishment). | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 13:10 - Sep 23 with 1383 views | Herbivore |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 12:55 - Sep 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Not so much a fan these days but at the time, yes.
But it’s important to get that quote right. Especially in the context of the main campaign predicting an extra 1 million unemployed (unemployment fell), the house market collapsing (house prices continue to rise ), World War 3 (see how easy it is to take a quote out of context and make it look ridiculous) and a punishment budget (although as somebody who has no love for the policies of the Tory government you may think every budget under them is a punishment). |
It's also important to look at the context of the measures taken by the BoE to mitigate the potential immediate damage to the economy. How are some of those medium to longer term predictions looking? Food shortages (they're happening), labour shortages (tick), barriers to trade with the EU (also tick), problems on the island of Ireland (tick again), no immediate trade deal with the US (ding, ding, ding, another winner!).
We had some ability to mitigate the worst of the immediate economic consequences, the stuff that can't be solved just by pumping new cash into the economy is unfortunately playing out much as predicted. | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 13:28 - Sep 23 with 1351 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 13:10 - Sep 23 by Herbivore |
It's also important to look at the context of the measures taken by the BoE to mitigate the potential immediate damage to the economy. How are some of those medium to longer term predictions looking? Food shortages (they're happening), labour shortages (tick), barriers to trade with the EU (also tick), problems on the island of Ireland (tick again), no immediate trade deal with the US (ding, ding, ding, another winner!).
We had some ability to mitigate the worst of the immediate economic consequences, the stuff that can't be solved just by pumping new cash into the economy is unfortunately playing out much as predicted. |
And again, some of those issues you raise are not entirely down to Brexit. Food shortages and labour shortages are a direct consequence of the pandemic and they are being felt across the world.
Brexit had added to the issue rather than being the sole cause of the issue.
The trade deal with the US is a consequence of the US election of last year. Trump pout us in the front of the queue. Biden has kicked us to the back.
Other points you raise are legitimate. Thinking back to the referendum, I can recall a lot of talk regarding the economy but very little regarding Northern Ireland.
I'm not actually arguing the pros and cons of Brexit. Although I said at the time I thought we would be hit in the short term. Our economy is predicted to have the largest growth in the G7 for the next two years. It's not all doom and gloom. The long term is less predictable.
I was merely putting up the full quote from Gove and giving it some context. He didn't say we were all fed up of experts. | |
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| Is this a joke? on 13:50 - Sep 23 with 1314 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Is this a joke? on 11:42 - Sep 23 by ellerblue |
I live in the EU ( Germany) please enlighten me how i could live on 20 pounds a day because obviously i am doing something wrong and as for Health insurance please direct me to the 200 pounds per year , here health insurance that is recognized costs 14 per cent approx of salary my wife pays in excess of 240 euros per month |
Have you tried eating cats*? They always seem to be in plentiful supply and I believe you can find recipes online.
*Maybe mix things up every now and then with a bit of fox or roadkill. |  |
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| Is this a joke? on 13:51 - Sep 23 with 1313 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Is this a joke? on 11:58 - Sep 23 by noggin |
20 quid wouldn't buy you dinner here. |
Is this a joke? by Swansea_Blue 23 Sep 2021 13:50Have you tried eating cats*? They always seem to be in plentiful supply and I believe you can find recipes online.
*Maybe mix things up every now and then with a bit of fox or roadkill.
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 13:53 - Sep 23 with 1309 views | Herbivore |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 13:28 - Sep 23 by GlasgowBlue |
And again, some of those issues you raise are not entirely down to Brexit. Food shortages and labour shortages are a direct consequence of the pandemic and they are being felt across the world.
Brexit had added to the issue rather than being the sole cause of the issue.
The trade deal with the US is a consequence of the US election of last year. Trump pout us in the front of the queue. Biden has kicked us to the back.
Other points you raise are legitimate. Thinking back to the referendum, I can recall a lot of talk regarding the economy but very little regarding Northern Ireland.
I'm not actually arguing the pros and cons of Brexit. Although I said at the time I thought we would be hit in the short term. Our economy is predicted to have the largest growth in the G7 for the next two years. It's not all doom and gloom. The long term is less predictable.
I was merely putting up the full quote from Gove and giving it some context. He didn't say we were all fed up of experts. |
We can't trust economic predictions, remember? What we do know is that the Brexit vote slowed growth: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2019/03/22/uk-economy-since-the-brexit-vote-s
We also know that the UK economy contracted more than our fellow G7 members during the pandemic. At best any growth over the next couple of years will be a degree of rebounding but we'll still be worse off than we would otherwise have been without the double threat of Brexit and a shambolic response to the pandemic: https://theguardian.com/business/2021/may/10/uk-economy-to-suffer-700bn-output-l
Add in the ongoing issues in NI, the ongoing difficulties we're having in sticking to a deal we made with the EU, and the lack of a much vaunted trade deal with the US and you'd have to say that whilst it's not all doom and gloom it's a million miles away from the promise of sunlit uplands. [Post edited 23 Sep 2021 14:35]
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 17:34 - Sep 23 with 1231 views | jaykay |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 23:09 - Sep 22 by GlasgowBlue |
Our resident Ricky Tomlinson decided to join a pile on at the expense of somebody using poor spelling. I found it rather ironic that his post contained server of his own spelling, grammar and punctuation errors.
People in glass houses………. |
read the post again . i never pulled up anyone up on their spelling or grammar etc. i just said i don't think leaky has a disability as he was a plumber. also said i use the sites spell check.
if that was a pile in by me so be it . at least i'm not swearing on my kids lives , that it wasn't a pile in by me
put back me on your naughty step mr . hypocrite |  |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 18:12 - Sep 23 with 1206 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 17:34 - Sep 23 by jaykay |
read the post again . i never pulled up anyone up on their spelling or grammar etc. i just said i don't think leaky has a disability as he was a plumber. also said i use the sites spell check.
if that was a pile in by me so be it . at least i'm not swearing on my kids lives , that it wasn't a pile in by me
put back me on your naughty step mr . hypocrite |
There is no space before a full stop Ricky. | |
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| Is this a joke? on 18:45 - Sep 23 with 1191 views | HARRY10 |
| Is this a joke? on 11:36 - Sep 23 by The_Last_Baron |
The only vote I've ever cast and felt 100% sure about was the one in the referendum.
The relentless fight the establishment put up to overturn it is further proof it was the right decision. |
That sure is one helluva a lie, even by brexiteers standards
NO ONE tried to overturn an advisory vote, one where the campaigning to leave was paid for by what is usually accepted as the establishment,
Or are you still trying to peddle the lie that Johnson, Rees-Mogg, IDS etc are not part of the establishment ? | | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:06 - Sep 23 with 1162 views | HARRY10 |
Meanwhile -
"Exports from Great Britain to Ireland fell by almost £2.5bn in the first seven months of the year with Brexit emerging as a major factor, according to official Irish government data.
The figures from Ireland’s Central Statistics Office (CSO) come just days after Marks & Spencer said it was scrapping 800 product lines from its stores in the republic of Ireland because of “excessive paperwork” and health controls on food."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/22/brexit-key-factor-in-huge-drop-
That follows The UK’s Food and Drink Federation (FDF) has released new data showing that post-Brexit rules have hit the industry hard, with its exports to the EU falling by 47%, or £2 billion, in the first quarter of 2021 alone.
And NFU president Minnette Batters spoke yesterday of how markets currently being lost will not be regained, as the restrictions, red tape and cost brexit is putting on farmers and food producers continue to take their toll. Importers in the EU are now sourcing previous UK goods at a lower price and with less hassle from inside the EU.
It could be called 'project fear' as her thoughts were that many farmers now fear that their businesses may not survive long term, especially those who are geared up to sell into the EU. | | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:12 - Sep 23 with 1157 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 23:09 - Sep 22 by GlasgowBlue |
Our resident Ricky Tomlinson decided to join a pile on at the expense of somebody using poor spelling. I found it rather ironic that his post contained server of his own spelling, grammar and punctuation errors.
People in glass houses………. |
" I found it rather ironic that his post contained server of his own spelling, grammar and punctuation errors."
"Rather ironic"? You may have gone the full Alanis Morissette with your use of "server" rather than "several". | | | |
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