| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. 15:51 - Sep 20 with 16061 views | unstableblue |
... anymore unless you are loaded or have a company offering you a professional contract over a period of time
I would have loved Unstable junior to go and work a summer of ski season.. or just go and bum round Europe getting casual work
But that aside if someone a little older wanted to take a punt on opening a business in Europe, change of lifestyle, climate... you need serious ongoing income, medical insurance
I know someone going to study in Italy for a short time, as its over 9 weeks they're going through a full visa process
This really is b@llox isn't it? what a load of lies and 'project fear' cack the majority were fed... so what they could get pounds and ounces at the green grocers... a new royal yacht.. blue passports... and a trade deal with Australia (which is woeful)
We need to get this government out, go on a charm offensive... and start trying to build the best arrangement and deals we can possibly get.. and make some frickin concessions |  |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 08:07 - Sep 21 with 1664 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 07:36 - Sep 21 by Lord_Lucan |
Have a day off Harry
Your data only shows countries in the European Economic Area and not Europe as a whole - which was the area in question.
You then go on to highlight (literally, in bold) the figure of the highest deaths in the European Economic area without the context of population - which is cretinous.
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I quoted figures from the EU as...........the reference was a post by Digger77 at 21.47 yesterday which read
"Well the EU hardly covered themselves in glory with their handling of the pandemic."
the letters before the word hardly might give you a clue
and having posted up the link to a list of deaths per I mullion even an idiot would be able to grasp I was aware of the difference between a percentage, and a total number
and so that quote about the UK having the highest numbers was actually a joke at your expense, as changing the parameters to fit your narrative rather invalidates your argument ie the area was the EU (see above) which does not include Russia [Post edited 21 Sep 2021 8:16]
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 08:08 - Sep 21 with 1661 views | MattinLondon |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 21:47 - Sep 20 by Digger77 |
Well the EU hardly covered themselves in glory with their handling of the pandemic. Being out of it saved countless lives in the UK.
Granny benefitted! |
A lot of the countries in the EU have overtaken Britain in terms of being double jabbed. But they are all sovereign countries so how they vaccinate us down to them. |  | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 08:16 - Sep 21 with 1626 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 08:08 - Sep 21 by MattinLondon |
A lot of the countries in the EU have overtaken Britain in terms of being double jabbed. But they are all sovereign countries so how they vaccinate us down to them. |
What the UK managed to do by going it alone rather than being part of the EU vaccine procurement scheme, was to get our vulnerable categories vaccinated with one jab very quickly. According to JVT, getting a head start with the eldest and most vulnerable people first jabbed saved tens of thousands of lives.
The UK achieved this 28 April
The US was 2 June
The EU was 28 June
The reason we got this head stat was because we had no supply issues and the EU did. The reason we don’t have so many people vaccinated in September has nothing to do with supply and more to do with the take up from the younger generation. Which is why we should have bribed them with vaccine passports as we are in Scotland. [Post edited 21 Sep 2021 8:19]
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 09:00 - Sep 21 with 1566 views | EddyJ |
Brexit has been a mixed bag. There have been some benefits. For example:
Our animal welfare standards have improved. We've banned live animal exports. We've banned boiling lobsters alive. The EU have been going in the other direction; as soon as we left the EU, the European Chemicals Agency re-allowed animal testing of cosmetics. Turns out we were the voice inside the EU in favour of animal welfare. | | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 09:07 - Sep 21 with 1544 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
Yep, the country is f****d on so many levels and I want to get out ASAP; unfortunately due to Brexit this is now somewhat harder.
What makes it even worse still is I hate to think how many who voted to leave have since passed away purely due to old age (and were most probably not affected at all in day to day life by the UK being in the EU), hence leaving the younger population to live with the mess caused. It must be a not insignificant amount. |  |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 09:15 - Sep 21 with 1514 views | unstableblue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 09:00 - Sep 21 by EddyJ |
Brexit has been a mixed bag. There have been some benefits. For example:
Our animal welfare standards have improved. We've banned live animal exports. We've banned boiling lobsters alive. The EU have been going in the other direction; as soon as we left the EU, the European Chemicals Agency re-allowed animal testing of cosmetics. Turns out we were the voice inside the EU in favour of animal welfare. |
You raise a good point on animal welfare. But could you please outline some more benefits of Brexit??
As for animal welfare the RSPCA report think it’s been a mixed bag as well! The biggest concern being our relaxation of our own standards for Australia and potentially America. Also it’s key to understand Germany we’re driving for higher standards and we should have been a voice within Europe supporting. But to be clear the EU is strong on animal welfare and has driven an agenda to ensure animals are sentient beings.
Again can I ask what other benefits? | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 09:17 - Sep 21 with 1504 views | chicoazul |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 09:15 - Sep 21 by unstableblue |
You raise a good point on animal welfare. But could you please outline some more benefits of Brexit??
As for animal welfare the RSPCA report think it’s been a mixed bag as well! The biggest concern being our relaxation of our own standards for Australia and potentially America. Also it’s key to understand Germany we’re driving for higher standards and we should have been a voice within Europe supporting. But to be clear the EU is strong on animal welfare and has driven an agenda to ensure animals are sentient beings.
Again can I ask what other benefits? |
It’s annoyed all the right people. |  |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 09:18 - Sep 21 with 1504 views | unstableblue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 01:14 - Sep 21 by Texaco73 |
Don't forget we had 10 years of austerity leading up to the 2016 ref.
That also played a part in protest voting against the government. Would have been seen by some as an easy way to give Cameron and co. a black eye, but not really understanding that it wasn't a consequence free vote. |
Research has show that austerity was a factor.
But it’s also now clear that what really happened was that Brexit benefited from two campaigns… a ‘respectable’ Boris led coalition which played on austerity and lied about financial benefit, and the xenophobic messaging of Farage et al
It was both camps that won the referendum not just one
“The study identifies a possibly unintentional advantage for the Leave campaign — the ability to mobilise two types of voters, with an official campaign and a less official grassroots campaign.
“The Leave campaign was divided. We had the official campaign led by Boris Johnson that galvanised the part of the electorate that saw themselves as respectable and conservative. Then we had the more unofficial grassroots campaign led by Nigel Farage that appeared to galvanise those that felt left behind, giving way to the populist movement,” said Professor Whiteley.
Usually a split camp weakens a campaign — this time it served it well. | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 09:33 - Sep 21 with 1463 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 09:18 - Sep 21 by unstableblue |
Research has show that austerity was a factor.
But it’s also now clear that what really happened was that Brexit benefited from two campaigns… a ‘respectable’ Boris led coalition which played on austerity and lied about financial benefit, and the xenophobic messaging of Farage et al
It was both camps that won the referendum not just one
“The study identifies a possibly unintentional advantage for the Leave campaign — the ability to mobilise two types of voters, with an official campaign and a less official grassroots campaign.
“The Leave campaign was divided. We had the official campaign led by Boris Johnson that galvanised the part of the electorate that saw themselves as respectable and conservative. Then we had the more unofficial grassroots campaign led by Nigel Farage that appeared to galvanise those that felt left behind, giving way to the populist movement,” said Professor Whiteley.
Usually a split camp weakens a campaign — this time it served it well. |
It was the Lexit wot won it! |  |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 09:45 - Sep 21 with 1439 views | EddyJ |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 09:15 - Sep 21 by unstableblue |
You raise a good point on animal welfare. But could you please outline some more benefits of Brexit??
As for animal welfare the RSPCA report think it’s been a mixed bag as well! The biggest concern being our relaxation of our own standards for Australia and potentially America. Also it’s key to understand Germany we’re driving for higher standards and we should have been a voice within Europe supporting. But to be clear the EU is strong on animal welfare and has driven an agenda to ensure animals are sentient beings.
Again can I ask what other benefits? |
I'm not sure we have relaxed our food standards. While it is true that Australia use hormone-injected beef for domestic food production, they are used to complying with other countries' food regulations for exports.
Despite being told that EU immigration was not holding down wages and benefits for certain sectors of blue collar workers, they have dramatically increased since Brexit (chefs and lorry drivers, for example).
As mentioned above, we did much better in the vaccine roll out than the EU. Macron responded by parroting some anti-vax rubbish about the safety of the AZ vaccine which will have cost many lives across the world.
The EU is pushing for ever-closer integration. The much-talked-about EU army looks closer than ever (especially after the AUKUS announcement this week). That would never have washed politically in the UK. We simply want a different kind of relationship with other European nations than Germany and particularly France. [Post edited 21 Sep 2021 9:47]
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 09:56 - Sep 21 with 1411 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 23:41 - Sep 20 by unstableblue |
This is the worst cabinet in living memory
This is a government with proven endemic sleaze
The Brexit campaign was a lie based on prejudice and false benefits
We have damaged our economy, international status and our values as a positive force on the world stage
The union moved closer to break up, and the situation in Northern Ireland is appalling
Boris Johnson is a proven and serial liar
Their policies on energy, social care, green economy are failing or continually stalled
A labour, green and Lib Dem pact would be a far more positive force at this time..,, HOW COULD IT POSSIBLY BE ANY WORSE
It’s a cabinet that supported the booing of taking the knee..,, A LIE, A HORRIBLE LIE.., exposed further by our lads being abused Hungary only weeks ago.., is that the values you want from a government??
If you don’t think that a large portion of the Brexit vote was built on xenophobia then you’re kidding yourself
But to one of your points, I am not anti conservative- but if you think this cabinet has any relation to a functioning Tory team you are VERY mistaken… all integrity and quality was removed to fuel Boris Brexit project …..
Watch this… this is a Conservative with values speaking out… you should start thinking like him:
I assume you have been blinkered by decades of our dominant right wing media…. Which even in this darkest of times, continues to laud this shambles
A new Britain is not some dads army, empire, white cliffs of Dover clap trap espoused by the Daily Mail…. It should have been driving a green, inclusive, and positive agenda with our near neighbours as the US and Asia implodes
I am not a fan of the European super state project… but you need to read up on just how shambolic our Brexit arrangements have been negotiated..,, don’t listen to the lies… the Europeans offered us concessions that we turned down
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Thank you for your reply. You state that a Labour, Green, Lib Dem pact would be a far more positive force at this time - you may of course be correct, but that type of government is impossible to vote for;
Then like so many on here you suggest I am blinkered and need to wake up!
A politician once said to me that this country would/could always have a centre left or even left wing government at all times, if only they could present a united front and start to respect all opinions and views.
This site and particularly this thread proves that over and over again.
I will leave you all to your infighting. | | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 10:17 - Sep 21 with 1364 views | CoachRob |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 09:56 - Sep 21 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Thank you for your reply. You state that a Labour, Green, Lib Dem pact would be a far more positive force at this time - you may of course be correct, but that type of government is impossible to vote for;
Then like so many on here you suggest I am blinkered and need to wake up!
A politician once said to me that this country would/could always have a centre left or even left wing government at all times, if only they could present a united front and start to respect all opinions and views.
This site and particularly this thread proves that over and over again.
I will leave you all to your infighting. |
You recently rubbished the work of a Professor of Accounting when it came to state finances so it is clear you don't believe the nonsense you have just typed. It strikes me that you are peddling this simplistic view to bait those on the left. |  | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 10:21 - Sep 21 with 1355 views | Digger77 |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 21:51 - Sep 20 by jaykay |
hmmmm and by the looks of things a down vote from you to |
Corrected by his alt account! Haha. | | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 10:29 - Sep 21 with 1324 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 10:17 - Sep 21 by CoachRob |
You recently rubbished the work of a Professor of Accounting when it came to state finances so it is clear you don't believe the nonsense you have just typed. It strikes me that you are peddling this simplistic view to bait those on the left. |
'You recently rubbished the work of a Professor of Accounting'
Please explain - I am not aware I have ever heard of a 'Professor of Accounting'
Oh and for avoidance of doubt, I believe everything I put in my previous message. | | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 10:31 - Sep 21 with 1328 views | Swansea_Blue |
All seems a bit tasteless this inane point scoring over the lives of people lost to a global pandemic. |  |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 10:40 - Sep 21 with 1307 views | CoachRob |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 10:29 - Sep 21 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
'You recently rubbished the work of a Professor of Accounting'
Please explain - I am not aware I have ever heard of a 'Professor of Accounting'
Oh and for avoidance of doubt, I believe everything I put in my previous message. |
Childish trolling. Utterly pointless engaging with you. | | | |
| There was a study a couple of months..... on 11:05 - Sep 21 with 1283 views | Bloots |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 07:50 - Sep 21 by DanTheMan |
I'm sure you have something that proves this, and it's not just you making things up. |
....back, that showed on average 11% of patients in hospital that tested positive for covid caught it while in hospital.
In some hospitals the figure was shown to be as high as 25%.
So that will inevitably and unfortunately account for some of the deaths "with covid" [Post edited 21 Sep 2021 12:04]
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 11:22 - Sep 21 with 1255 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 07:35 - Sep 21 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Again, simplistic and personality driven....ah those sweet smelling remain Summer wheat fields! Fancy all those people voting to Leave when they never had it so good. |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 11:23 - Sep 21 with 1257 views | ellerblue |
i totally agree regarding living and working in europe,just for the record i obviously voted remain as i live in germany, luckily i had been here long enough to be covered by the withdrawal agreement, so qualified for a residence card.but the downside for me is that next year i wish to return to live in Suffolk with my german wife to be near our family as we will both be retired, with the immigration rules changing, pre brexit would have been no problem now my wife has to obtain a visa to be allowed to live with me in the uk, this visa will cost approx 7000 pounds over a 5 year period,agreed part of this is a nhs contribution which i totally agree with , the visa is not a given right it can be refused, the procedure can take up to 6 months to obtain the visa. so brexit has f.....ked relocation bothways. | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 11:30 - Sep 21 with 1231 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 08:16 - Sep 21 by GlasgowBlue |
What the UK managed to do by going it alone rather than being part of the EU vaccine procurement scheme, was to get our vulnerable categories vaccinated with one jab very quickly. According to JVT, getting a head start with the eldest and most vulnerable people first jabbed saved tens of thousands of lives.
The UK achieved this 28 April
The US was 2 June
The EU was 28 June
The reason we got this head stat was because we had no supply issues and the EU did. The reason we don’t have so many people vaccinated in September has nothing to do with supply and more to do with the take up from the younger generation. Which is why we should have bribed them with vaccine passports as we are in Scotland. [Post edited 21 Sep 2021 8:19]
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Many EU countries were catching up with us on vaccination long before we started doing under-30s. Many or most extended their vaccination programmes to 12-17 year-olds before schools went back, which helped keep their numbers low. | | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 11:35 - Sep 21 with 1217 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 11:30 - Sep 21 by Freddies_Ears |
Many EU countries were catching up with us on vaccination long before we started doing under-30s. Many or most extended their vaccination programmes to 12-17 year-olds before schools went back, which helped keep their numbers low. |
It's not like a marathon, where a slow start doesn't matter and you can "catch up". Just because you ramp up vaccination quickly doesn't make up for a poor start.
And that poor start was down to EU countries being tied to the procurement scheme whereas we were able to strike our own deals early on.
You are dismissing the vital importance of getting as many vulnerable people jabbed as quickly as possible back in January/February/March.
And we have no supply issues. We are sadly having to dispose of unused vaccines that have past their best before date.
We owe a great deal to the NHS workers, Army personal and volunteers who helped roll the vaccine out. And also the CMO's who took the decision to get as many vulnerable people their first jab rather than go more slowly with a two jab programme.
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 11:40 - Sep 21 with 1204 views | Digger77 |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 11:30 - Sep 21 by Freddies_Ears |
Many EU countries were catching up with us on vaccination long before we started doing under-30s. Many or most extended their vaccination programmes to 12-17 year-olds before schools went back, which helped keep their numbers low. |
While the EU were suffering from the third wave, the UK were getting back to business. How many old and vulnerable died while the EU were dithering / making threats?
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 11:55 - Sep 21 with 1162 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 11:35 - Sep 21 by GlasgowBlue |
It's not like a marathon, where a slow start doesn't matter and you can "catch up". Just because you ramp up vaccination quickly doesn't make up for a poor start.
And that poor start was down to EU countries being tied to the procurement scheme whereas we were able to strike our own deals early on.
You are dismissing the vital importance of getting as many vulnerable people jabbed as quickly as possible back in January/February/March.
And we have no supply issues. We are sadly having to dispose of unused vaccines that have past their best before date.
We owe a great deal to the NHS workers, Army personal and volunteers who helped roll the vaccine out. And also the CMO's who took the decision to get as many vulnerable people their first jab rather than go more slowly with a two jab programme.
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It's like a marathon in one way, in that the key aim is to reach majority vaccination; this is a long haul process that all countries have to be part of. The earlier protection given to the vulnerable in the UK was undoubtedly a plus at that time, but ultimately we need a global response to climb out of the pandemic. Other countries are now closer to achieving that point of herd immunity than us, although again that doesn't really matter as long as we all get there (which we won't if a significant number of kids don't take the vaccine offer).
Crowing over being the first off the blocks was always rather crass and introverted view of the wider issue imo. Especially when on the other hand we had delayed government responses that have been reported as leading to 10s of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
It's not solely a UK-EU issue either. I remember the Celtic nations getting criticised on here at the start of the vaccination process for initial slow rollout. But again, they soon caught up and Scotland & Wales continue to have the highest rates of full vaccination in the UK. But as with the UK-EU comparison, that doesn't mean much unless England (and to a lesser degree NI) catch up. We all need to work together in this. | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 11:57 - Sep 21 with 1147 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 10:31 - Sep 21 by Swansea_Blue |
All seems a bit tasteless this inane point scoring over the lives of people lost to a global pandemic. |
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