| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. 15:51 - Sep 20 with 16067 views | unstableblue |
... anymore unless you are loaded or have a company offering you a professional contract over a period of time
I would have loved Unstable junior to go and work a summer of ski season.. or just go and bum round Europe getting casual work
But that aside if someone a little older wanted to take a punt on opening a business in Europe, change of lifestyle, climate... you need serious ongoing income, medical insurance
I know someone going to study in Italy for a short time, as its over 9 weeks they're going through a full visa process
This really is b@llox isn't it? what a load of lies and 'project fear' cack the majority were fed... so what they could get pounds and ounces at the green grocers... a new royal yacht.. blue passports... and a trade deal with Australia (which is woeful)
We need to get this government out, go on a charm offensive... and start trying to build the best arrangement and deals we can possibly get.. and make some frickin concessions |  |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 18:27 - Sep 20 with 1301 views | Illinoisblue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 16:28 - Sep 20 by Sarge |
I have nothing but intense hatred for brexiteers. It’s not even a case of disagreeing with their opinions, I absolutely detest them for what they’ve done to this country and for what? For absolutely nothing in return.
I don’t buy that they were misled. They knew what they were doing, it was patently clear what leaving the EU would do and they kept their fingers in their ears and toddled off to the polling station.
Utter scum, the lot of them. |
That’s what I don’t get as I’ve observed from afar… what exactly are the benefits? Beyond juvenile thoughts of “taking back control” what has been won? |  |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 18:41 - Sep 20 with 1279 views | ghostofescobar |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 18:27 - Sep 20 by Illinoisblue |
That’s what I don’t get as I’ve observed from afar… what exactly are the benefits? Beyond juvenile thoughts of “taking back control” what has been won? |
And this is it exactly. Forget all the vitriol (on both sides); what is Brexit for? Increased GDP, of how much? Reduced national debt, of how much? How many extra teachers? How many extra Police? How many kids out of poverty? How many additional kids with special educational needs will have adequate education open to them? How much will it reduce inflation by? How many kids will have their debt (student loans) removed? Reduced pollution, by how much? If any of the above had been answered, it may have made sense, but both sides played the fear card. |  |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 18:42 - Sep 20 with 1266 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 18:26 - Sep 20 by MattinLondon |
Imperial measurements are only practical if you happen to be British or American and grew up with them. To everyone else they are ridiculous. |
err, the OP was about a UK government changing UK laws, so it might be the comments was about UK folk (British)
and I am sure there are thousands of practices that other folk in the world indulge in that we find ridiculous
though I am not sure of the point of that |  | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:05 - Sep 20 with 1234 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 16:28 - Sep 20 by Sarge |
I have nothing but intense hatred for brexiteers. It’s not even a case of disagreeing with their opinions, I absolutely detest them for what they’ve done to this country and for what? For absolutely nothing in return.
I don’t buy that they were misled. They knew what they were doing, it was patently clear what leaving the EU would do and they kept their fingers in their ears and toddled off to the polling station.
Utter scum, the lot of them. |
I blame Remainer Labour 'lefty (sic) ' luvvies for scuppering and sabotaging what could and should have been a Corbyn Lexit. That or Tony Benn(the famed rightie...a nod to your uppie from Harry) was also just scum. |  |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. (n/t) on 19:08 - Sep 20 with 1225 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 16:43 - Sep 20 by Wacko |
"Over" implies it was a one-off event that happened in the past. The repercussions are still happening and will do for many years to come. It's a disgrace |
Oh well, every cloud and all that if the Tories have to pay the price or maybe they will be credited for an increase in wages (which definitely were not suppressed by the globalist institution that is the EU) [Post edited 20 Sep 2021 19:11]
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:13 - Sep 20 with 1221 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 17:04 - Sep 20 by CaptainAhab |
Couldn't agree more, it's terrible and it's only because of the pandemic we haven't been hit with the full realisation of just how sh*t it is. There really is no upside.
It's the young people who will suffer the most, I feel sorry for my kids (and yours) who can't experience the freedom of Europe, like they should be able to. I own a snowboard shop and every year we (used to) get an influx of excited young people about to head off on their first season, picking up their essentials. Covid obviously put paid to that last year, but I fear even when we're back to "normal" there'll be no return to this. Sure you CAN travel for extended periods in Europe and sure, European companies CAN employ Brits, but for most people and most companies it's just not worth the hassle and hoop jumping.
Truly sad, imagine giving away your (and your childrens) freedom to work, travel and live in Europe for some non-exsitent, perceived threat of foreign hordes... |
You missed out 'posh between 'young' and 'people!'  | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:13 - Sep 20 with 1222 views | MattinLondon |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:05 - Sep 20 by BanksterDebtSlave |
I blame Remainer Labour 'lefty (sic) ' luvvies for scuppering and sabotaging what could and should have been a Corbyn Lexit. That or Tony Benn(the famed rightie...a nod to your uppie from Harry) was also just scum. |
I blame the people who voted for it. |  | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:24 - Sep 20 with 1194 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 18:08 - Sep 20 by BlueBadger |
It is very weird how much Brexiteers hate Jeremy Corbyn given that what they've voted for is now delivering everything they said he would. |
The problem was that the Labour Party hated him! | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:31 - Sep 20 with 1193 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 16:37 - Sep 20 by Sarge |
Over what? The fact my country is being dragged back to the 1950s? The fact that we’ve chucked away positive and fruitful trade and cultural relations for the square root of fck all? No I’m not over that or nor should anyone else with any sense.
Scum got through the filter, it’s the mildest term. |
You’re missing their point. They (the people who still support this) don’t care about everything you’ve said. They only care that they were on the winning side. I find that incredibly sad, as by ‘winning’ the vast majority of us have lost. I don’t hate people like that, I can’t bring myself to hate them as a group as we don’t know their circumstances. Sure, the vast majority have just been played. But some did have genuine concerns too, albeit a minority (e.g. someone who’d lost their job to then see it filled by an agency using EU labour - the issue there being the employer, but they won’t see it that way and I can understand that).
Having said that, I utterly detest (despise, hate, etc.) the architects of Brexit, and those in public office who've abandoned all principles to prop up the project for personal gain. They should be in prison for the damage they’ve caused, not Parliament. It’s official treason; if anyone but government did this they’d be up before a judge. ‘Scum’ is far too mild a term for those types.
Yet nobody’s being held accountable. I still can’t get my head around that. |  |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:32 - Sep 20 with 1189 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:13 - Sep 20 by MattinLondon |
I blame the people who voted for it. |
It is a shame that the binary political world which you seem happy to inhabit did not allow the left to be honest about the EU and let Jezza give an honest analysis (7 out of 10 was him being positive) | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:35 - Sep 20 with 1185 views | MattinLondon |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:32 - Sep 20 by BanksterDebtSlave |
It is a shame that the binary political world which you seem happy to inhabit did not allow the left to be honest about the EU and let Jezza give an honest analysis (7 out of 10 was him being positive) |
The Brexit vote was kind of binary - people either voted for it or didn’t. You voted for it, take responsibility for it instead of deflecting away to Corbyns popularity (or lack of it). | | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:35 - Sep 20 with 1186 views | CaptainAhab |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:13 - Sep 20 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You missed out 'posh between 'young' and 'people!' |
Ha, good one. But no, we got kids from all works of life heading off to do seasons. NOW it will just be the posh ones who can... | | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:37 - Sep 20 with 1177 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:35 - Sep 20 by MattinLondon |
The Brexit vote was kind of binary - people either voted for it or didn’t. You voted for it, take responsibility for it instead of deflecting away to Corbyns popularity (or lack of it). |
I have no issue with owning my vote, it was considered and I would do the same again. | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:38 - Sep 20 with 1173 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:35 - Sep 20 by CaptainAhab |
Ha, good one. But no, we got kids from all works of life heading off to do seasons. NOW it will just be the posh ones who can... |
Hold on I thought they weren't allowed anymore?
Edit....any kids wanting some cash in hand grape picking work, drop me a pm! Clue, head for the hills not the plains! [Post edited 20 Sep 2021 19:40]
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:40 - Sep 20 with 1171 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
'We need to get this government out, go on a charm offensive... and start trying to build the best arrangement and deals we can possibly get.. and make some frickin concessions'
The above came from the original thread - please tell me who 'we' are and whatever anyone thinks of the present government, please enlighten me on what creditable alternative there might be. It is no good saying things like 'anyone but this lot', be realistic, stop name calling or/and suggesting the electorate are stupid, thick, scum, xenophobic etc, if they dare to vote different to any of you.
To suggest that folk who voted Brexit or and Conservative are worse human beings, or less caring, less considerate, less understanding, racist etc etc is both unfair and untrue.
Until a more constructive dialogue exists here, there and everywhere, you will just get more of the same; remember 99% of folk want the same conclusion; we just have different ideas on how to get there.
For my part, I hate no one and find it distressing that words like this are used far too often even on TWTD. | | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:50 - Sep 20 with 1151 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:40 - Sep 20 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
'We need to get this government out, go on a charm offensive... and start trying to build the best arrangement and deals we can possibly get.. and make some frickin concessions'
The above came from the original thread - please tell me who 'we' are and whatever anyone thinks of the present government, please enlighten me on what creditable alternative there might be. It is no good saying things like 'anyone but this lot', be realistic, stop name calling or/and suggesting the electorate are stupid, thick, scum, xenophobic etc, if they dare to vote different to any of you.
To suggest that folk who voted Brexit or and Conservative are worse human beings, or less caring, less considerate, less understanding, racist etc etc is both unfair and untrue.
Until a more constructive dialogue exists here, there and everywhere, you will just get more of the same; remember 99% of folk want the same conclusion; we just have different ideas on how to get there.
For my part, I hate no one and find it distressing that words like this are used far too often even on TWTD. |
Let's get this straight...many people, in fact the majority of Brexit voters were played by laissez-faire rich tossers using a veil of base xenophobia. But at it's root, and as always this is all about basic class war....the EU was great for the comfortable middle classes but not so much for the lower income workers without much care for Erasmus or doggy passports!
As stated by Swanners more honesty from both sides was required. | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:53 - Sep 20 with 1135 views | noggin |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:40 - Sep 20 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
'We need to get this government out, go on a charm offensive... and start trying to build the best arrangement and deals we can possibly get.. and make some frickin concessions'
The above came from the original thread - please tell me who 'we' are and whatever anyone thinks of the present government, please enlighten me on what creditable alternative there might be. It is no good saying things like 'anyone but this lot', be realistic, stop name calling or/and suggesting the electorate are stupid, thick, scum, xenophobic etc, if they dare to vote different to any of you.
To suggest that folk who voted Brexit or and Conservative are worse human beings, or less caring, less considerate, less understanding, racist etc etc is both unfair and untrue.
Until a more constructive dialogue exists here, there and everywhere, you will just get more of the same; remember 99% of folk want the same conclusion; we just have different ideas on how to get there.
For my part, I hate no one and find it distressing that words like this are used far too often even on TWTD. |
"To suggest that folk who voted Brexit or and Conservative are worse human beings, or less caring, less considerate, less understanding, racist etc etc is both unfair and untrue. "
No it's not. |  |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:59 - Sep 20 with 1105 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 18:21 - Sep 20 by MattinLondon |
‘Scum’ might well be a tad too far but most of them weren’t misled - when it came fine to it they sided with the racists and xenophobes. They sided with the people who want to limit workers rights and to create a Singapore in the North Sea. They created this mess but they refuse to own it. |
I can only speak from limited experience of a few leave voters I know, my old man being one of them. Those were all 100% done. They all believed what the Daily Mail said then and they all still do now, even though the editorial has shifted post-Dacre to a bit of Tory bashing occasionally. It’s that simple for them and I suspect there are many like them. [Post edited 20 Sep 2021 20:46]
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:59 - Sep 20 with 1101 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:31 - Sep 20 by Swansea_Blue |
You’re missing their point. They (the people who still support this) don’t care about everything you’ve said. They only care that they were on the winning side. I find that incredibly sad, as by ‘winning’ the vast majority of us have lost. I don’t hate people like that, I can’t bring myself to hate them as a group as we don’t know their circumstances. Sure, the vast majority have just been played. But some did have genuine concerns too, albeit a minority (e.g. someone who’d lost their job to then see it filled by an agency using EU labour - the issue there being the employer, but they won’t see it that way and I can understand that).
Having said that, I utterly detest (despise, hate, etc.) the architects of Brexit, and those in public office who've abandoned all principles to prop up the project for personal gain. They should be in prison for the damage they’ve caused, not Parliament. It’s official treason; if anyone but government did this they’d be up before a judge. ‘Scum’ is far too mild a term for those types.
Yet nobody’s being held accountable. I still can’t get my head around that. |
Genuine concerns, my arz !
It was naked xenophobia, bigotry and racism... no more.If their was anything genuine then it would have been raised. Instead any debate was stifled by the witless hordes bleating out Orwellian slogans......... "project fear, master knows best, fake news..... baa baa"
What the brexit campaign did, and has done since, is lift the lid on the stupidity that swirls around the country.
Over the past 40 years, no lie has been too idiotic that these people will not believe it and bleat out. You need only to look up the road at the witless shy the former Lowestoft MEP still spews out. A whine that she was lied to by Boris Johnson, when he told her that stuff that was previously agreed by international agreement could simply be ignored (as with the NI protocol).
As any of them if they have a clue about the differences between the EU Commission, Council and Parliament - and the best you will get is a bleat that it is all undemocratic and imposes awful laws upon the UK. And when asked they will come up with some nonsense about Xmas being banned, along with bent bananas and hedgehog flavoured cucumbers.
Look at the cretins living in Spain who didn't think the removal of freedom of movement applied to them. The dimwitted farmers with their fields festooned with huge Leave posters the imposition of UK regulation post brexit applied to them, just as the cretinous former MEP thought that after brexit UK fishermen could catch as much as they wanted in UK waters sell it to EU countries while removing their centuries old fishing rights.
All of this stupidity set against overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Understand why they choose to believe obvious lies, and you will be on the way to understanding what motivated them, then and now. | | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 20:10 - Sep 20 with 1076 views | J2BLUE |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 16:28 - Sep 20 by Sarge |
I have nothing but intense hatred for brexiteers. It’s not even a case of disagreeing with their opinions, I absolutely detest them for what they’ve done to this country and for what? For absolutely nothing in return.
I don’t buy that they were misled. They knew what they were doing, it was patently clear what leaving the EU would do and they kept their fingers in their ears and toddled off to the polling station.
Utter scum, the lot of them. |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 20:26 - Sep 20 with 1040 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 18:41 - Sep 20 by ghostofescobar |
And this is it exactly. Forget all the vitriol (on both sides); what is Brexit for? Increased GDP, of how much? Reduced national debt, of how much? How many extra teachers? How many extra Police? How many kids out of poverty? How many additional kids with special educational needs will have adequate education open to them? How much will it reduce inflation by? How many kids will have their debt (student loans) removed? Reduced pollution, by how much? If any of the above had been answered, it may have made sense, but both sides played the fear card. |
None.
None.
None.
None.
No more than now, and that’s increasing.
None.
Nothing.
Don’t know on student loans - not linked anyway to the EU, but maybe that net saving of £9.5bn can do a bit more heavy lifting over the £20.2bn it’s already going to fund.
Nothing. | |
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 20:28 - Sep 20 with 1040 views | homer_123 |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 16:28 - Sep 20 by Sarge |
I have nothing but intense hatred for brexiteers. It’s not even a case of disagreeing with their opinions, I absolutely detest them for what they’ve done to this country and for what? For absolutely nothing in return.
I don’t buy that they were misled. They knew what they were doing, it was patently clear what leaving the EU would do and they kept their fingers in their ears and toddled off to the polling station.
Utter scum, the lot of them. |
What a divided country we are.
Sarge, that amount of, what appears to be hatred would be better exerted at the architects of Brexit and, more pertinently, David Cameron and his rather stupid way of sorting out an internal party issue.
He and the Conservatives are to blame for even allowing the Brexit vote as was - as, he is on record for saying this, he never thought the country would vote to leave the EU.
There was never really a viable groundswell of support for Brexit until Cameron made a promise to put a vote to the people. Then, once he had to deliver on the vote (quite possibly the first time a political leader has kept a promise) the remain campaign got it wrong, utterly.
You can blame the voting populace but actually your blame is as misguided as the vote in the first place.
What's worse, this country voted in Johnson and kept him for crying out loud. The Conservatives continue to rip the country apart, the gap between the haves and have nots increases, social mobility goes backwards and they'll continue to use 'Covid' as an excuse.
I'm ashamed we don't hold this political party to account for all they have done to obliterate this country and continue to do so. [Post edited 20 Sep 2021 20:34]
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 20:32 - Sep 20 with 1025 views | homer_123 |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:31 - Sep 20 by Swansea_Blue |
You’re missing their point. They (the people who still support this) don’t care about everything you’ve said. They only care that they were on the winning side. I find that incredibly sad, as by ‘winning’ the vast majority of us have lost. I don’t hate people like that, I can’t bring myself to hate them as a group as we don’t know their circumstances. Sure, the vast majority have just been played. But some did have genuine concerns too, albeit a minority (e.g. someone who’d lost their job to then see it filled by an agency using EU labour - the issue there being the employer, but they won’t see it that way and I can understand that).
Having said that, I utterly detest (despise, hate, etc.) the architects of Brexit, and those in public office who've abandoned all principles to prop up the project for personal gain. They should be in prison for the damage they’ve caused, not Parliament. It’s official treason; if anyone but government did this they’d be up before a judge. ‘Scum’ is far too mild a term for those types.
Yet nobody’s being held accountable. I still can’t get my head around that. |
'Yet nobody’s being held accountable.'
The party in power that presided over Brexit certainly wasn't and isn't being held to account. I would say the current incumbents and the single most self-serving, collective and individual party I've ever had the misfortune of seeing.
They have no self-worth, no accountability or even a modicum of respect and we, the public, let them get away with it time and time and time again. [Post edited 20 Sep 2021 20:33]
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| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 20:47 - Sep 20 with 991 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 19:50 - Sep 20 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Let's get this straight...many people, in fact the majority of Brexit voters were played by laissez-faire rich tossers using a veil of base xenophobia. But at it's root, and as always this is all about basic class war....the EU was great for the comfortable middle classes but not so much for the lower income workers without much care for Erasmus or doggy passports!
As stated by Swanners more honesty from both sides was required. |
a absolute nonsense, as is the portrayal of the supposed 'working class' as some homogenous lumpen proletariat
the wish to have the EU regarded as a force for evil cut right across the income groups, and there are/were plenty I grew up with, still on lower incomes, who easily recognised the benefits of being in the EU
those who didn't consistently expressed and express xenophobic and racist views - and I don't doubt that jobs lost at (closed) heavy industry plants could easily find a scapegoat in East Europeans working on farms and in slaughter houses elsewhere
brexit was merely an acceptable way to express those sentiments, irrespective of income | | | |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 20:55 - Sep 20 with 967 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Brexit clusterf@ck.. you really can't go and live or work in Europe.. on 20:47 - Sep 20 by HARRY10 |
a absolute nonsense, as is the portrayal of the supposed 'working class' as some homogenous lumpen proletariat
the wish to have the EU regarded as a force for evil cut right across the income groups, and there are/were plenty I grew up with, still on lower incomes, who easily recognised the benefits of being in the EU
those who didn't consistently expressed and express xenophobic and racist views - and I don't doubt that jobs lost at (closed) heavy industry plants could easily find a scapegoat in East Europeans working on farms and in slaughter houses elsewhere
brexit was merely an acceptable way to express those sentiments, irrespective of income |
Everything with you is absolute hey Harry!
Part of the problem was enabling all that manufacturing to pop off to Eastern Europe courtesy of you know who!
What were those benefits that you friends perceived out of interest?
Brexit was multi faceted but I understand how your World view would prefer not to see it as such. | |
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