| First sight of Brexit U-Turns 15:20 - Sep 24 with 3874 views | hype313 |
Fingers crossed Give it 3 months and we'll have adopted the Euro. |  |
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 22:05 - Sep 24 with 808 views | HARRY10 |
It has been pretty much a u-turn since day one.
The giff they filled the silly heads 0f the thick with was never going to happen, as the wealthy knew.
The shiny new deals have turned out to be nothing more than rolling over previous EU deals. Where the UK still has to abide by EU regs, but has no say in drafting them any more.
All the fish in 'British waters' will only be for the 'British'. That didn't last long, not even a day.
The divorce payment can go whistle..... whereas the UK is now paying what the EU asked.
Control the borders.............. not if it is NI, where an EU monitored border is in force - and elsewhere the UK is putting off implementing the border checks it said it would have.
Unfortunately, it is not simply a case of extended the visa scheme. It is what brexit has caused - a massive increase in paperwork, red tape, delays and cost. After 5 decades of making trade less costless and more frictionless* , HGV drivers are now faced with a deluge of paperwork and form filling.
No doubt brexiteers welcome this. But for EU drivers stuck at channel ports these delays are lost earning time, so there is a great disincentive to drive goods into the UK then move goods around once in the UK.
That the whole idea of brexit was one of the stupidest on record, should not have been in doubt. That the fck ups it is causing should not be a surprise either.
Similarly, it should come as no surprise that the apologists and Quislings are now trying to claim that brexit is not the cause., And therein lies the problem. As long as we have people in the UK willing to put bigotry and hate above the countrys well being these problems will continue ........... continue to grow.
* remember that bleat - trade would be frictionless, and the thickos swallowed it, how 4 million extra customs forms per week were not going to impact on the ease of movement only a thicko could not grasp.........................and there are more checks and delays still to be introduced |  | | |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 22:21 - Sep 24 with 788 views | Swansea_Blue |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 20:55 - Sep 24 by Bluedicea |
I wouldn't say that.
Brexit is causing issues and it is exacerbating issues in other areas for sure. The problem is there's lots of issues lately, which Covid has made worse, issues that have been building for years.
It's a culmination of different events coming together, often historical, not a sole cause. In a few years we will have a clearer picture of exactly what happened, until then it's just supposition and guesswork.
I have no doubt Brexit will eventually be seen to be a bad thing, but I truly believe we should all try to make the best of a bad situation and maybe, just maybe we can change the future for the better.
Look at history everywhere, the most common theme is things have to get really bad for change to really happen, will Brexit be the tipping point? We shall see. |
The underlying common denominator across most of these issues seems to be the Tory party. Maybe we should all start focussing on that rather than playing along in their culture wars on Brexit, statues, the BBC, the National Trust, and whatever the latest dead cat is?
Probably a fanciful suggestion, but maybe worth a shot. |  |
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 22:42 - Sep 24 with 769 views | Guthrum |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 21:24 - Sep 24 by bluelagos |
Raising wages, like fuel or any other input will be inflationary, absolutely.
But say we all pay 5-10% more for our food and it means agricultural workers / lorry drivers / retail staff get more fairly rewarded...has to be a good thing imho.
Many businesses have treated employees as little more than commodities and sort to squeeze as much out of them as they can. Time for a rethink perhaps. |
If you increase the cost of food by 5-10%, then pay the workers some of that, they end up no better off - because the food they are also having to buy has got that much more expensive and so has everything else, as all other workers are going to want a payrise to cover the now greater cost of living. And those on benefits or pensions starve.
Part of the problem is that everything has already got too expensive. The difficulty is how to take that down without drastic measures like de- or re-valuation of the currency, things which cause great damage to the populace. |  |
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 22:54 - Sep 24 with 754 views | Herbivore |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 22:21 - Sep 24 by Swansea_Blue |
The underlying common denominator across most of these issues seems to be the Tory party. Maybe we should all start focussing on that rather than playing along in their culture wars on Brexit, statues, the BBC, the National Trust, and whatever the latest dead cat is?
Probably a fanciful suggestion, but maybe worth a shot. |
Come on now, when the Tories swept to a huge majority in 2019 they did so as the party of change, promising to undo the damage of a decade of *checks notes* Tory government. It's astounding how they get away with being completely unaccountable for anything ever, but when they and the media are in each other's pockets I guess it means they can sell the public whatever they want. |  |
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 22:55 - Sep 24 with 753 views | bluelagos |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 22:42 - Sep 24 by Guthrum |
If you increase the cost of food by 5-10%, then pay the workers some of that, they end up no better off - because the food they are also having to buy has got that much more expensive and so has everything else, as all other workers are going to want a payrise to cover the now greater cost of living. And those on benefits or pensions starve.
Part of the problem is that everything has already got too expensive. The difficulty is how to take that down without drastic measures like de- or re-valuation of the currency, things which cause great damage to the populace. |
Nah, if they get a 10% pay rise and their food bills go up by say 2% - they are way better off.
£500 a week goes to £550.
£100 shopping goes to £102.
Excess £400 moves to £448
There would be some pressure on others (for pay rises) but ultimately those getting the payrises would still be better off. Fair point about pensioners but they are covered by the triple (or double) lock for inflation.
Wages as percentage of costs of course vary across sectors but in lots of areas it is around 10-20% of costs. Put those up by 10% and the cost of goods is only going up 1-2% per cent. |  |
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 23:25 - Sep 24 with 739 views | Pinewoodblue |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 22:55 - Sep 24 by bluelagos |
Nah, if they get a 10% pay rise and their food bills go up by say 2% - they are way better off.
£500 a week goes to £550.
£100 shopping goes to £102.
Excess £400 moves to £448
There would be some pressure on others (for pay rises) but ultimately those getting the payrises would still be better off. Fair point about pensioners but they are covered by the triple (or double) lock for inflation.
Wages as percentage of costs of course vary across sectors but in lots of areas it is around 10-20% of costs. Put those up by 10% and the cost of goods is only going up 1-2% per cent. |
£50 a week increase in wages = £10 a week extra in income tax not forgetting increased NI and indirect tax such as Council Tax. |  |
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 23:28 - Sep 24 with 741 views | Guthrum |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 22:55 - Sep 24 by bluelagos |
Nah, if they get a 10% pay rise and their food bills go up by say 2% - they are way better off.
£500 a week goes to £550.
£100 shopping goes to £102.
Excess £400 moves to £448
There would be some pressure on others (for pay rises) but ultimately those getting the payrises would still be better off. Fair point about pensioners but they are covered by the triple (or double) lock for inflation.
Wages as percentage of costs of course vary across sectors but in lots of areas it is around 10-20% of costs. Put those up by 10% and the cost of goods is only going up 1-2% per cent. |
But that's 10% all the way down the line, from the farmers to the packaging plants to those working in the distribution network. In other words, the wholesale buying costs would also increase. Doubling your inflation.
So £330 (37 hour week at minimum wage) becomes £363
£100 shopping goes to £104
Excess goes from £230 to 259, or £29 better off - minus (now increased) NI contributions
Can't buy a lot with that. Especially when you factor in that others will have to increase their costs to pay their staff extra (so fuel, utilities) so they can eat.
This was one of the problems in the late 1970s when siginificant inflation was driving large wage demands and vice-versa in a vicious spiral that nearly brought the country to collapse (IMF bailout, Winter of Discontent).
IMO, it's more important to cool the economic situation rather than just pouring in more heat. Ditching ideas of "constant, sustainable (!) growth" may be a good start - especially as this supposed growth is mostly just stuff like houses becoming more expensive. | |
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 09:02 - Sep 25 with 684 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 22:05 - Sep 24 by HARRY10 |
It has been pretty much a u-turn since day one.
The giff they filled the silly heads 0f the thick with was never going to happen, as the wealthy knew.
The shiny new deals have turned out to be nothing more than rolling over previous EU deals. Where the UK still has to abide by EU regs, but has no say in drafting them any more.
All the fish in 'British waters' will only be for the 'British'. That didn't last long, not even a day.
The divorce payment can go whistle..... whereas the UK is now paying what the EU asked.
Control the borders.............. not if it is NI, where an EU monitored border is in force - and elsewhere the UK is putting off implementing the border checks it said it would have.
Unfortunately, it is not simply a case of extended the visa scheme. It is what brexit has caused - a massive increase in paperwork, red tape, delays and cost. After 5 decades of making trade less costless and more frictionless* , HGV drivers are now faced with a deluge of paperwork and form filling.
No doubt brexiteers welcome this. But for EU drivers stuck at channel ports these delays are lost earning time, so there is a great disincentive to drive goods into the UK then move goods around once in the UK.
That the whole idea of brexit was one of the stupidest on record, should not have been in doubt. That the fck ups it is causing should not be a surprise either.
Similarly, it should come as no surprise that the apologists and Quislings are now trying to claim that brexit is not the cause., And therein lies the problem. As long as we have people in the UK willing to put bigotry and hate above the countrys well being these problems will continue ........... continue to grow.
* remember that bleat - trade would be frictionless, and the thickos swallowed it, how 4 million extra customs forms per week were not going to impact on the ease of movement only a thicko could not grasp.........................and there are more checks and delays still to be introduced |
So that makes me, thick, with a head full of giff, stupid, an apologist, a Quisling (capital Q!), full of hate, and a bigot.
Now this is what social media is all about - someone like you H, being the font of all that is good and truthful and articulate and socially acceptable.
I will look out for you preaching the gospel on the Cornhill, on my way to the pub before football (I drink in the Thomas Wolsey) - love to buy you a pint.
Have a lovely weekend | | | |
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| Head of CBI just stated the government have been folding their arms at the scale on 09:08 - Sep 25 with 681 views | unstableblue |
…. Of the problem.
It is very damaging.
Other sectors expected to follow suit. This is a must watch:
Inflation also becoming a concern.
Also of concern is Javid aligning with The Daily Mail over GP phone appointments, this is a capacity issue he needs to tackle, not what he portrays
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 09:19 - Sep 25 with 676 views | itfcjoe |
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 09:28 - Sep 25 with 663 views | Dubtractor |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 09:02 - Sep 25 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
So that makes me, thick, with a head full of giff, stupid, an apologist, a Quisling (capital Q!), full of hate, and a bigot.
Now this is what social media is all about - someone like you H, being the font of all that is good and truthful and articulate and socially acceptable.
I will look out for you preaching the gospel on the Cornhill, on my way to the pub before football (I drink in the Thomas Wolsey) - love to buy you a pint.
Have a lovely weekend |
Have to say, I'm not a fan of the overly aggressive name calling to brexiteers.
I have VERY limited sympathy when the impacts of brexit hit them personally, but I'm not going to go around calling you scum etc.
Lots of brexit voters are people like my mum, who were naive enough to believe the lies, despite all the persuasion to the contrary, and now seeing that they backed a duffer.
Still, divide and conquer will always win out eh? |  |
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 09:53 - Sep 25 with 635 views | Timefliesbyintheblue |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 09:28 - Sep 25 by Dubtractor |
Have to say, I'm not a fan of the overly aggressive name calling to brexiteers.
I have VERY limited sympathy when the impacts of brexit hit them personally, but I'm not going to go around calling you scum etc.
Lots of brexit voters are people like my mum, who were naive enough to believe the lies, despite all the persuasion to the contrary, and now seeing that they backed a duffer.
Still, divide and conquer will always win out eh? |
Thank you DT - we all occasionally go over the line when tempted on here at times but I appreciate that 1) we are probably poles apart on some of out political stances but 2) we both consider ourselves as decent human beings.
Off here now for the rest of the day as petrol to get!, pub to visit, and football to attend.
Have a good week end. | | | |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 10:02 - Sep 25 with 614 views | unstableblue |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 09:19 - Sep 25 by itfcjoe |
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This is not a Covid issue, but a Brexit issue.
And the immigrant workers that we NEED for our economy are not going to suddenly open up our labour market to pre-Brexit levels in certain sectors… because we’ve made people feel unwelcome
By the way they will have to open up immigration for agriculture - a national scandal (not being reported in the Boris media) is underway in food production waste…. Destroying animals, fruit rotting on the vine
As London opens up for business once again and for tourism the service and hospitality sector are screaming for workforce
Inflation will be one outcome
Brexit a disaster we need the government to stop ‘crossing their arms’ and hoping it will go away…. and start fixing these issues, which means rolling back on Brexit principles | |
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 10:17 - Sep 25 with 599 views | BlueBadger |
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 10:17 - Sep 25 with 593 views | Swansea_Blue |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 09:19 - Sep 25 by itfcjoe |
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I’d wondered whether they’ll be the knights in shining armour. They’ve probably adjusted after being made not welcome. Even if that hasn’t put them off, if there’s an EU wide shortage why would they go through the hassle of visas if there’s plenty of work closer to home? | |
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| On a related note on 10:38 - Sep 25 with 572 views | Herbivore |
It's all pretty much stuff we already knew, but interesting (and terrifying) to hear it from someone on the inside. The level of arrogance and ineptitude from the government was/is really quite something. | |
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 10:39 - Sep 25 with 570 views | keighleyblue |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 15:51 - Sep 24 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
Correct and I am pleased you recognise it as such. The RHA have been a predominately while middle aged male employer for years and certainly have not made any jobs available sufficiently attractive to the wider public. This will change now of course and Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Poland etc all have similar issues.
It is so easy for employers to blame outside influences when they should take more responsibility themselves. There is no shortage of London Tube Drivers - I wonder why! |
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 10:51 - Sep 25 with 552 views | leitrimblue |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 20:55 - Sep 24 by Bluedicea |
I wouldn't say that.
Brexit is causing issues and it is exacerbating issues in other areas for sure. The problem is there's lots of issues lately, which Covid has made worse, issues that have been building for years.
It's a culmination of different events coming together, often historical, not a sole cause. In a few years we will have a clearer picture of exactly what happened, until then it's just supposition and guesswork.
I have no doubt Brexit will eventually be seen to be a bad thing, but I truly believe we should all try to make the best of a bad situation and maybe, just maybe we can change the future for the better.
Look at history everywhere, the most common theme is things have to get really bad for change to really happen, will Brexit be the tipping point? We shall see. |
Not sure that's how history works . You should only have to look at your namesake to realize that |  | | |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 10:53 - Sep 25 with 549 views | leitrimblue |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 09:02 - Sep 25 by Timefliesbyintheblue |
So that makes me, thick, with a head full of giff, stupid, an apologist, a Quisling (capital Q!), full of hate, and a bigot.
Now this is what social media is all about - someone like you H, being the font of all that is good and truthful and articulate and socially acceptable.
I will look out for you preaching the gospel on the Cornhill, on my way to the pub before football (I drink in the Thomas Wolsey) - love to buy you a pint.
Have a lovely weekend |
You could just shut him up by listing all the benefits of brexit... | | | |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 10:56 - Sep 25 with 540 views | bluelagos |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 10:53 - Sep 25 by leitrimblue |
You could just shut him up by listing all the benefits of brexit... |
He shoots. He scores :-) | |
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| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 11:14 - Sep 25 with 515 views | Herbivore |
| First sight of Brexit U-Turns on 10:17 - Sep 25 by Swansea_Blue |
I’d wondered whether they’ll be the knights in shining armour. They’ve probably adjusted after being made not welcome. Even if that hasn’t put them off, if there’s an EU wide shortage why would they go through the hassle of visas if there’s plenty of work closer to home? |
The one thing that might attract them is the likelihood that we'll throw a shed load of money at it. That seems to be all this government knows when it comes to averting crises that could be in any way linked to Brexit. The money then magically disappears when poor kids need feeding or when taking £20 a week off the worst off families. I'd always hoped I wouldn't see such rank populism in the UK in my lifetime, but here we are. It it wasn't so tragic it'd be quite fascinating watching it unfold. | |
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| On a related note on 11:29 - Sep 25 with 495 views | giant_stow |
The article 50 signoff was always and very clearly a massive mistake. Fools. |  |
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| On a related note on 11:36 - Sep 25 with 491 views | Guthrum |
| On a related note on 11:29 - Sep 25 by giant_stow |
The article 50 signoff was always and very clearly a massive mistake. Fools. |
Without having done any of the groundwork first, yes. | |
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| On a related note on 11:50 - Sep 25 with 475 views | giant_stow |
| On a related note on 11:36 - Sep 25 by Guthrum |
Without having done any of the groundwork first, yes. |
The trouble was that both the brexiters and the Europeans were desperate for trigger to be pulled. The fact the Europeans were says so much. | |
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