| Insulate Britain - wow 14:23 - Oct 4 with 17895 views | galacticoblue |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:41 - Oct 5 with 1514 views | J2BLUE |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:39 - Oct 5 by monytowbray |
I am here free of charge. I’m not your personal paid tutor.
You were in the thread (linked) where we discussed the fake claims of ambulance blocking a year ago. You saw me prove it to be nonsense. As I said in this thread in reply to you Roger “gave credence” to that claim in the video. You seemed to then think I denied the video existed.
So that’s why I said read again. Use ya brain. [Post edited 5 Oct 2021 16:40]
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No, I asked you about the video of IB. You then replied about a different video. I was confirming that was the case and you've just proved it was.
I have no memory of that thread. I 100% believe I posted on it but not sure how i'm expected to remember a random thread a year later. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:45 - Oct 5 with 1494 views | monytowbray |
That’s not even close to what he said.
Stop making things up. Factually, it’s correct.
The world was and still is built on genocide. You actively support it every time you buy an item of clothing. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:46 - Oct 5 with 1486 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:41 - Oct 5 by J2BLUE |
No, I asked you about the video of IB. You then replied about a different video. I was confirming that was the case and you've just proved it was.
I have no memory of that thread. I 100% believe I posted on it but not sure how i'm expected to remember a random thread a year later. |
No I didn’t. Read it AGAIN. | |
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| "Everybody agrees with you" on 17:12 - Oct 5 with 1406 views | Ryorry |
| "Everybody agrees with you" on 12:28 - Oct 5 by unstableblue |
Every sympathy for the daughter trying to get mother to hospital.
But just to pick up one point she makes - if everyone agrees with you why have we allowed as a voting public to keep a government in place that in its tenure has had 3 disastrous attempts at getting our housing stock more efficient, and has just failed again:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/27/uk-government-scraps-green-h
This is the lowest hanging fruit to reduce carbon emissions in this country, it is also a way to stimulate the economy... 'build back better'
No one is 'doing anything about it'... that's why these guys are going to these extremes!!
The great British public are just sitting their like lemons as we lurch from one feck up to the other, whilst sleaze is paraded in front of us (PPE contracts, Pandora).. and worse we just stick our fingers in our ears on the environmental emergency (it is not just carbon)..
Nearly 20% of our CO2 comes from home heating, its significantly more than road transport... its much easier to sort than most other outputs..... sort it out, now |
None on the thread have denied the climate change emergency is real, in fact most have expressed full awareness and the desire for the govt. & individuals to take action to reduce emissions.
The only objection that I have seen is to *this particular method* of protest, which as I've already pointed out, is proving counterproductive, going by all the reactions I've seen & heard on radio, TV, here & other social media. |  |
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| "Everybody agrees with you" on 17:16 - Oct 5 with 1386 views | giant_stow |
| "Everybody agrees with you" on 17:12 - Oct 5 by Ryorry |
None on the thread have denied the climate change emergency is real, in fact most have expressed full awareness and the desire for the govt. & individuals to take action to reduce emissions.
The only objection that I have seen is to *this particular method* of protest, which as I've already pointed out, is proving counterproductive, going by all the reactions I've seen & heard on radio, TV, here & other social media. |
Its really weird how people have got confused about this. I guess its an emotive subject, so bods stop reading what was written and replying to what they thought they read. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:19 - Oct 5 with 1370 views | Ryorry |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 13:18 - Oct 5 by bluelagos |
Some interesting ideas. One of the issues with how we change habits is whether we do that through pricing or through rationing. Not an expert but I think we need to ensure we don't just penalise the poorest in society.
In German supermarkets, beer is sold in reuseable bottles rather than cans. A deposit is paid and the empty bottles are collected and returned for reuse. Indeed most of West Africa has exactly the same model of deposit, collection and reuse.
Yet go into our supermakets and it's all single use bottles, single use aluminum cans. We could change that tomorrow through legislation. Yet is doesn't happen.
So many examples of things we could do better and so frustrating how little we do. Of course it needs people to take action, but look at carrier bags. It was only when the govt took action that their useage dropped so significantly. Proof that real change is in the hands of our lawmakers. |
The major force in achieving the carrier bags drop was a brilliant BBC TV documntary series presented by Sir David Attenborough largely funded by the general public paying their TV licences - not by people sitting on major roads stopping key workers getting to their jobs etc. | |
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| "Everybody agrees with you" on 17:22 - Oct 5 with 1350 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| "Everybody agrees with you" on 12:28 - Oct 5 by unstableblue |
Every sympathy for the daughter trying to get mother to hospital.
But just to pick up one point she makes - if everyone agrees with you why have we allowed as a voting public to keep a government in place that in its tenure has had 3 disastrous attempts at getting our housing stock more efficient, and has just failed again:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/mar/27/uk-government-scraps-green-h
This is the lowest hanging fruit to reduce carbon emissions in this country, it is also a way to stimulate the economy... 'build back better'
No one is 'doing anything about it'... that's why these guys are going to these extremes!!
The great British public are just sitting their like lemons as we lurch from one feck up to the other, whilst sleaze is paraded in front of us (PPE contracts, Pandora).. and worse we just stick our fingers in our ears on the environmental emergency (it is not just carbon)..
Nearly 20% of our CO2 comes from home heating, its significantly more than road transport... its much easier to sort than most other outputs..... sort it out, now |
So...do they obstruct British Gas and other such suppliers? Do they obstruct plumbers' merchants selling gas boilers? Do they obstruct policymakers? No no. They obstruct the public, whose support they need. Bravo. | | | |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:31 - Oct 5 with 1314 views | Ryorry |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:59 - Oct 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
That is our current winter strategy....double sided tape and plastic sheets.
That would be Lord Landlord to you! No chance he only acts when large grants are available as per his agricultural land. *doffs cap* |
Sounds like your landlord might be breaking the law.
Email him/her this, or download it to send to them through the post -
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/domestic-private-rented-property-minimum-energy-effi | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:37 - Oct 5 with 1295 views | bluelagos |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:19 - Oct 5 by Ryorry |
The major force in achieving the carrier bags drop was a brilliant BBC TV documntary series presented by Sir David Attenborough largely funded by the general public paying their TV licences - not by people sitting on major roads stopping key workers getting to their jobs etc. |
Your muddled on your dates Ryorry. What stopped carrier bags was the 5p introduction on them which was a few years ahead of DA's documentary which highlighted plastics in the sea.
Both welcome of course, but it was govt policy that changed habits on carrier bags. DA's documentary did prompt some shift with regards to single use straws I seem to recall. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:45 - Oct 5 with 1272 views | Ryorry |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:37 - Oct 5 by bluelagos |
Your muddled on your dates Ryorry. What stopped carrier bags was the 5p introduction on them which was a few years ahead of DA's documentary which highlighted plastics in the sea.
Both welcome of course, but it was govt policy that changed habits on carrier bags. DA's documentary did prompt some shift with regards to single use straws I seem to recall. |
Well while my memory may be a bit sh1t, I do know that Blue Planet series is the most often-given reason that people cite in reducing their use of plastics and supporting recycling (incl. in practical ways - litter-picking volunteers along beaches, in countryside etc.). | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:47 - Oct 5 with 1266 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
"Holocaust minimiser".....now there's a whole new slur! Is that when you point out that other holocaust have also happened?
' Although Leopold II established Belgium as a colonial power in Africa, he is best known for the widespread atrocities that were carried out under his rule, as a result of which as many as 10 million people died in the Congo Free State.'
...in my book that would just be an observation that as a species we have a history of "fu#kery." as he put it....
Mr Hallam claimed his comments had been taken out of context, with The Guardian quoting him as saying: "I want to fully acknowledge the unimaginable suffering caused by the Nazi Holocaust that led to all of Europe saying 'never again'.
"But it is happening again, on a far greater scale and in plain sight. The global north is pumping lethal levels of CO2 into the atmosphere and simultaneously erecting ever greater barriers to immigration, turning whole regions of the world into death zones. That is the grim reality."
"We are allowing our governments to willingly, and in full knowledge of the science, engage in genocide of our young people and those in the global south by refusing to take emergency action to reduce carbon emissions," he added |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:51 - Oct 5 with 1261 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Hmm.... on a one year renewable tenancy! | |
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| "Everybody agrees with you" on 17:51 - Oct 5 with 1254 views | Darth_Koont |
| "Everybody agrees with you" on 17:12 - Oct 5 by Ryorry |
None on the thread have denied the climate change emergency is real, in fact most have expressed full awareness and the desire for the govt. & individuals to take action to reduce emissions.
The only objection that I have seen is to *this particular method* of protest, which as I've already pointed out, is proving counterproductive, going by all the reactions I've seen & heard on radio, TV, here & other social media. |
Although civil disobedience isn’t really about highlighting it to the public or winning them over. Often it’s about forcing police to put the disobedience through the system and hence governments and authorities are often forced to get involved where previously they can brush it off.
As last resorts go, it’s peaceful and relatively benign. And it’s worked a lot in history. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:53 - Oct 5 with 1248 views | bluelagos |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:45 - Oct 5 by Ryorry |
Well while my memory may be a bit sh1t, I do know that Blue Planet series is the most often-given reason that people cite in reducing their use of plastics and supporting recycling (incl. in practical ways - litter-picking volunteers along beaches, in countryside etc.). |
They are hardly going to state it is government policy are they! But look at the usage of carrier bags and the huge drop is when the govt introduced the charges.
Another example - if they (as is being discussed) ban single use cutlery - then again govt policy will make all the difference.
I don't for a minute suggest DA and his documentaries aren't incredibly powerful and useful in changes attitudes. But ultimately the only proven method of changing behaviour that I have seen is government policy.
Same with say electric cars. It is only because we have legislated to ban the sale of petrol/diesel cars that manufacturers are now investing so much in the switch. We had electric milk floats in the 70s and yet the technology never progressed until govts. pushed it.
How many people buy Amazon products? How many people refuse to use Amazon because of the ridiculous packaging they use? Legislate and you could sort the problem... | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:53 - Oct 5 with 1246 views | Ryorry |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:51 - Oct 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Hmm.... on a one year renewable tenancy! |
You have the law on your side, s/he wouldn't be able to evict you. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:56 - Oct 5 with 1236 views | Ryorry |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:53 - Oct 5 by bluelagos |
They are hardly going to state it is government policy are they! But look at the usage of carrier bags and the huge drop is when the govt introduced the charges.
Another example - if they (as is being discussed) ban single use cutlery - then again govt policy will make all the difference.
I don't for a minute suggest DA and his documentaries aren't incredibly powerful and useful in changes attitudes. But ultimately the only proven method of changing behaviour that I have seen is government policy.
Same with say electric cars. It is only because we have legislated to ban the sale of petrol/diesel cars that manufacturers are now investing so much in the switch. We had electric milk floats in the 70s and yet the technology never progressed until govts. pushed it.
How many people buy Amazon products? How many people refuse to use Amazon because of the ridiculous packaging they use? Legislate and you could sort the problem... |
I don't disagree with any of that, but *why* do you think politicians changed their mind? Your saying none of them saw the docus, nor the powerful effect they had on voters?
The law wasn't intro'd cos of ppl sitting in major roads stopping key-workers getting to their jobs. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 18:10 - Oct 5 with 1213 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:47 - Oct 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
"Holocaust minimiser".....now there's a whole new slur! Is that when you point out that other holocaust have also happened?
' Although Leopold II established Belgium as a colonial power in Africa, he is best known for the widespread atrocities that were carried out under his rule, as a result of which as many as 10 million people died in the Congo Free State.'
...in my book that would just be an observation that as a species we have a history of "fu#kery." as he put it....
Mr Hallam claimed his comments had been taken out of context, with The Guardian quoting him as saying: "I want to fully acknowledge the unimaginable suffering caused by the Nazi Holocaust that led to all of Europe saying 'never again'.
"But it is happening again, on a far greater scale and in plain sight. The global north is pumping lethal levels of CO2 into the atmosphere and simultaneously erecting ever greater barriers to immigration, turning whole regions of the world into death zones. That is the grim reality."
"We are allowing our governments to willingly, and in full knowledge of the science, engage in genocide of our young people and those in the global south by refusing to take emergency action to reduce carbon emissions," he added |
Extinction Rebellion's German branch has condemned Mr Hallam's comments and said he was "no longer welcome" in Germany.
In a post on Twitter, it said: "We explicitly distant ourselves from Roger Hallam's belittling and relativising statements about the Holocaust.
"In so doing he contravenes the principles of XR, which does not tolerate antisemitism, and he is no longer welcome in XR Germany."
Extinction Rebellion UK has also "unreservedly" denounced Hallam's comments.
In a statement, the group said: "Jewish people and many others are deeply wounded by the comments today.
Our movement must be safe for Jews as well as all other minorities, marginalised peoples, and religious groups.
"We stand in solidarity with XR Germany, with Jewish communities, and with all those affected by the Holocaust, both in the past and in our times".
Mr Hallam's comments have also led to German publisher Ullstein announcing it would no longer publish his book, due to be released on Tuesday.
In a tweet, it said: "The Ullstein publishing house dissociates itself in form from current remarks of Roger Hallam.
"For this reason, his book 'Common Sense', originally announced for the 26.11.2019, will not appear. The delivery of the book was stopped with immediate effect". |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 18:14 - Oct 5 with 1200 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 18:10 - Oct 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Extinction Rebellion's German branch has condemned Mr Hallam's comments and said he was "no longer welcome" in Germany.
In a post on Twitter, it said: "We explicitly distant ourselves from Roger Hallam's belittling and relativising statements about the Holocaust.
"In so doing he contravenes the principles of XR, which does not tolerate antisemitism, and he is no longer welcome in XR Germany."
Extinction Rebellion UK has also "unreservedly" denounced Hallam's comments.
In a statement, the group said: "Jewish people and many others are deeply wounded by the comments today.
Our movement must be safe for Jews as well as all other minorities, marginalised peoples, and religious groups.
"We stand in solidarity with XR Germany, with Jewish communities, and with all those affected by the Holocaust, both in the past and in our times".
Mr Hallam's comments have also led to German publisher Ullstein announcing it would no longer publish his book, due to be released on Tuesday.
In a tweet, it said: "The Ullstein publishing house dissociates itself in form from current remarks of Roger Hallam.
"For this reason, his book 'Common Sense', originally announced for the 26.11.2019, will not appear. The delivery of the book was stopped with immediate effect". |
The Germans are quite sensitive about all that aren't they!
Just for clarity are you calling him an antisemite? ("In so doing he contravenes the principles of XR, which does not tolerate antisemitism, and he is no longer welcome in XR Germany.")
Edit. In your defence this is how you always try to get this sh1t to stick, so at least you are consistent. [Post edited 5 Oct 2021 18:16]
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 18:20 - Oct 5 with 1176 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 18:14 - Oct 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
The Germans are quite sensitive about all that aren't they!
Just for clarity are you calling him an antisemite? ("In so doing he contravenes the principles of XR, which does not tolerate antisemitism, and he is no longer welcome in XR Germany.")
Edit. In your defence this is how you always try to get this sh1t to stick, so at least you are consistent. [Post edited 5 Oct 2021 18:16]
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I said he was a Holocaust minimiser. I didn’t call him an antisemite. You’re quoting XR Germany. Not me.
I have no idea whether he is an antisemite or not. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 18:31 - Oct 5 with 1160 views | bluelagos |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:56 - Oct 5 by Ryorry |
I don't disagree with any of that, but *why* do you think politicians changed their mind? Your saying none of them saw the docus, nor the powerful effect they had on voters?
The law wasn't intro'd cos of ppl sitting in major roads stopping key-workers getting to their jobs. |
We can argue all day as to whether activism or documentaries are more likely to bring change. Am happy to have both tbh. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 18:34 - Oct 5 with 1151 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 18:20 - Oct 5 by GlasgowBlue |
I said he was a Holocaust minimiser. I didn’t call him an antisemite. You’re quoting XR Germany. Not me.
I have no idea whether he is an antisemite or not. |
How would that be defined and can you tell me how he fits it? | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 18:40 - Oct 5 with 1141 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 18:20 - Oct 5 by GlasgowBlue |
I said he was a Holocaust minimiser. I didn’t call him an antisemite. You’re quoting XR Germany. Not me.
I have no idea whether he is an antisemite or not. |
You are making up words to imply he’s a Holocaust denier though.
Disingenuous as always.
There has been more than one genocide in history, some are currently ongoing, many also including Jewish populations. Or are you telling us The Flagellants didn’t happen and he’s incorrect on his history? What does that make you in that case?!
I’d say “use your brain” but I think you do these things intentionally. [Post edited 6 Oct 2021 7:06]
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 18:41 - Oct 5 with 1137 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 18:14 - Oct 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
The Germans are quite sensitive about all that aren't they!
Just for clarity are you calling him an antisemite? ("In so doing he contravenes the principles of XR, which does not tolerate antisemitism, and he is no longer welcome in XR Germany.")
Edit. In your defence this is how you always try to get this sh1t to stick, so at least you are consistent. [Post edited 5 Oct 2021 18:16]
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Everyone I don’t like is an AntiSemite. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 18:42 - Oct 5 with 1134 views | monytowbray |
How had he “distorted” the holocaust by stating it’s one of many continual blips in human history?
Read a book. | |
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