| Insulate Britain - wow 14:23 - Oct 4 with 18214 views | galacticoblue |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:49 - Oct 5 with 799 views | witchdoctor |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:13 - Oct 5 by GeoffSentence |
"In German supermarkets, beer is sold in reuseable bottles rather than cans. A deposit is paid and the empty bottles are collected and returned for reuse."
My fault. Sorry. As a kid we used to take Corona bottles back to the shop get the deposit, wait til the put them out back, nick them and collect the deposit all over again. |
me too….nice little earner…. |  | | |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:50 - Oct 5 with 795 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:46 - Oct 5 by bluelagos |
"Or is the capitalist illusion that buying stuff will make you happy "
In a nutshell. Many people are addicted to new stuff and for what? Cos it looks good? Cos it makes them feel better? To get one up on the neighbours?
And as a society we are addicted to stuff. Many of our jobs depend on it. The economy is built on it - retailing and making (or importing from China) stuff all depend on us buying stuff we don't need, primarily to massage our egos. |
Side note but for an economy to really work everyone needs money also. If wages sink and prices rise due to wealth and resource hoarding we lose that convenience anyway. Can’t eat if we can’t grow food.
I think people have got so lost in the concrete jungles and convenience they’ve forgotten what nature is.
I challenge anyone to go read up on the climate emergency and not get an absolute sense of hopelessness and dread. It honestly affects my MH daily as it is terrifying. AND REAL.
That’s part of the problem IMO. Govs don’t have the answer and are powerless to corps who don’t care. We are trapped as it stands and it’s why people are now getting lairy.
Power to them largely. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:53 - Oct 5 with 782 views | J2BLUE |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:45 - Oct 5 by monytowbray |
What if they didn’t but then we all die miserably anyway?
It’s a pretty doom and gloom scenario either way. |
My issue is these idiots sitting there looking gormless when an ambulance/drivers with an emergency are trying to get through. If they want to sit in the road and stop normal motorists then so be it but don't be complete cretins.
That XR moron who said he'd be quite happy to block an ambulance with someone dying; are you ok if that's a friend or your family? There's quite a bit of support on here from people who know they'll never be affected by this. Quite a lot of double standards. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:53 - Oct 5 with 782 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:47 - Oct 5 by bluelagos |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:58 - Oct 5 with 754 views | nodge_blue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:38 - Oct 5 by monytowbray |
The fundamental thing with C-D is it is a product of a failed system and/or frustrations of a section of population not being heard.
Why are people laying on the M25 to insulate houses I still can’t grasp as it’s a million miles from XR’s actual aims and goals in writing and as I said on P1, I have some strong doubts about the integrity of a campaign that has corporate interests.
But in general RE climate, Greta tried to tell us and the world bullied her. Scientists tried to tell us but we ignored it. And the issue is STILL getting worse. Until we accept the level of convenience we have is a privilege we can’t continue we are f**ked. Green energy will not fill the gap to allow disaster capitalism to continue. The whole system needs revamping and IMO it starts with the breakup of corps for local business.
If you were told if you sail down a river someone will give you a million quid, but then at the end is an unavoidable waterfall that will plunge you to your death, would you take the chance for the money? The waterfall is the death of the planet at the money is the world’s convenience of everything being disposable crap off a shop shelf.
People are waking up but it’s already an exercise in backpeddling from said waterfall. Part of the process is self-sustainability where ever possible. It’s very rewarding and I enjoy it, my house and garden gets regular compliments, most of it has been done with second hand stuff, repurposed stuff and a bit of DIY/TLC.
Also, if you just look after your sh1t it lasts longer. Ikea tell you your furniture needs replacing every two years but I’ve had a shelving unit that’s lasted me 10. My sofa is now pushing a decade and still looks decent. Are people smashing their houses with a hammer or something? Or is the capitalist illusion that buying stuff will make you happy turning us into short term dopamine fiends? |
I agree with a large part of what you've written.
I think however that one of the issues (amongst many) is that whilst what "we have" is a privilege, for many in the world it is still an aspiration. And i don't mean desks from Ikea, but even the basics like electricity and warmth.
I worked with many Indian colleagues in IT and they said their family homes now nearly all have air con as well compared to 30 years ago because climate change has meant they cant cope without it. So you have a double whammy of the more affluent parts of India increasing their consumption and the poorer parts just wanting the basics.
Its all a vicious circle that I think is nearly impossible to break out of. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:59 - Oct 5 with 748 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 13:37 - Oct 5 by EdwardStone |
Nothing quite as cold as an old house with single glazed Crittall windows
Couple that with night storage heaters for a truly chilly evening
Remarkably, Crittall are still in business....I suspect they have improved the thermal efficiency of their products
Maybe you should have a polite conversation with your Landlord.....followed by a slightly more robust one if he hasn't agreed to a sensible upgrade
* looks on eBay for clingfilm and hairdryer* |
That is our current winter strategy....double sided tape and plastic sheets.
That would be Lord Landlord to you! No chance he only acts when large grants are available as per his agricultural land. *doffs cap* |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:02 - Oct 5 with 740 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:53 - Oct 5 by J2BLUE |
My issue is these idiots sitting there looking gormless when an ambulance/drivers with an emergency are trying to get through. If they want to sit in the road and stop normal motorists then so be it but don't be complete cretins.
That XR moron who said he'd be quite happy to block an ambulance with someone dying; are you ok if that's a friend or your family? There's quite a bit of support on here from people who know they'll never be affected by this. Quite a lot of double standards. |
What he says doesn’t change reality though.
I couldn’t really give a s**t anymore, I cut ties with XR personally almost a year ago and wasn’t involved long for varied reasons.
But, bigger (to)fish to fry and bigger issues to tackle than one person’s words about a hypothetical situation.
FWIW the ambulance blocking has been a false smear (proven) for a long time and he’s just went and f**ked it by giving it credence. So yeah, not impressed. Not impressed with the fact XR (despite being non-hierarchical) are allowing themselves to continue associating with IB as it flies in the face of why I got involved to begin with.
But XR don’t represent all climate protests, all climate activists or the eco movement. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:04 - Oct 5 with 726 views | bluelagos |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:02 - Oct 5 by monytowbray |
What he says doesn’t change reality though.
I couldn’t really give a s**t anymore, I cut ties with XR personally almost a year ago and wasn’t involved long for varied reasons.
But, bigger (to)fish to fry and bigger issues to tackle than one person’s words about a hypothetical situation.
FWIW the ambulance blocking has been a false smear (proven) for a long time and he’s just went and f**ked it by giving it credence. So yeah, not impressed. Not impressed with the fact XR (despite being non-hierarchical) are allowing themselves to continue associating with IB as it flies in the face of why I got involved to begin with.
But XR don’t represent all climate protests, all climate activists or the eco movement. |
What's your concerns with Insulate Britain? |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:05 - Oct 5 with 719 views | J2BLUE |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:02 - Oct 5 by monytowbray |
What he says doesn’t change reality though.
I couldn’t really give a s**t anymore, I cut ties with XR personally almost a year ago and wasn’t involved long for varied reasons.
But, bigger (to)fish to fry and bigger issues to tackle than one person’s words about a hypothetical situation.
FWIW the ambulance blocking has been a false smear (proven) for a long time and he’s just went and f**ked it by giving it credence. So yeah, not impressed. Not impressed with the fact XR (despite being non-hierarchical) are allowing themselves to continue associating with IB as it flies in the face of why I got involved to begin with.
But XR don’t represent all climate protests, all climate activists or the eco movement. |
The video from yesterday is a fake smear? | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:12 - Oct 5 with 697 views | nodge_blue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:40 - Oct 5 by monytowbray |
They throw it back in if they catch it!
Although, there’s scientific evidence plastic is breaking down so small it’s becoming a non-biodegradable element of our own bodies now and we have no idea what the long term repercussions of that are.
Lego disease will kill us all. [Post edited 5 Oct 2021 15:43]
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Thats what I meant really. The tiny bits of plastic are getting into the fish themselves and therefore our diets. Another F up.
My grandparents in the 1970s said the amount of plastic being produced wasn't good and where will it all go. We talk about things now like we've only just woken up to them but I think in reality people knew many of these issues long ago but everyone took convenience over anything. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:14 - Oct 5 with 685 views | J2BLUE |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:12 - Oct 5 by nodge_blue |
Thats what I meant really. The tiny bits of plastic are getting into the fish themselves and therefore our diets. Another F up.
My grandparents in the 1970s said the amount of plastic being produced wasn't good and where will it all go. We talk about things now like we've only just woken up to them but I think in reality people knew many of these issues long ago but everyone took convenience over anything. |
Watch Last Week Tonight if you'd like the sh1t scared out of you even further. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:14 - Oct 5 with 684 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:04 - Oct 5 by bluelagos |
What's your concerns with Insulate Britain? |
XR’s demands…
https://extinctionrebellion.uk/the-truth/demands/
Nothing in there about specific methods or requirements.
And XR’s take on specific solutions…
https://extinctionrebellion.uk/the-truth/faqs/#what-does-xr-think-about-5g-vegan
“ XR does not take a position on solutions to the ecological crisis- our third demand is for a Citizens Assembly to come up with a way to deal with the crisis focussing on climate and ecological justice based on being presented with facts from a variety of experts. We focus on the issues that have a clear body of mainstream science with a large consensus of opinion — for example, biodiversity loss and climate change.”
So why are they letting a group with specific corporate interests as a solution protest under their banner.
XR’s previous take on ambulances BTW also on FAQs…
https://extinctionrebellion.uk/the-truth/faqs/#what-if-an-ambulance-doesn-t-get-
“When there are traffic jams, ambulances are redirected by their HQs. If the ambulance is already very close to the roadblock, it is let through by the protesters. We usually advise of disruption before it happens, there are frequent traffic jams in London due to all manner of things such as road works and accidents and the services have strategies for coping with them, we aim to give them the necessary advance warning so they can alert crews and re route on the day.”
So yeah, they really f**ked it as a brand IMO recently. Kinda glad I’m not directly involved! | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:15 - Oct 5 with 682 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:05 - Oct 5 by J2BLUE |
The video from yesterday is a fake smear? |
Do you read? | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:17 - Oct 5 with 658 views | bluelagos |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:14 - Oct 5 by monytowbray |
XR’s demands…
https://extinctionrebellion.uk/the-truth/demands/
Nothing in there about specific methods or requirements.
And XR’s take on specific solutions…
https://extinctionrebellion.uk/the-truth/faqs/#what-does-xr-think-about-5g-vegan
“ XR does not take a position on solutions to the ecological crisis- our third demand is for a Citizens Assembly to come up with a way to deal with the crisis focussing on climate and ecological justice based on being presented with facts from a variety of experts. We focus on the issues that have a clear body of mainstream science with a large consensus of opinion — for example, biodiversity loss and climate change.”
So why are they letting a group with specific corporate interests as a solution protest under their banner.
XR’s previous take on ambulances BTW also on FAQs…
https://extinctionrebellion.uk/the-truth/faqs/#what-if-an-ambulance-doesn-t-get-
“When there are traffic jams, ambulances are redirected by their HQs. If the ambulance is already very close to the roadblock, it is let through by the protesters. We usually advise of disruption before it happens, there are frequent traffic jams in London due to all manner of things such as road works and accidents and the services have strategies for coping with them, we aim to give them the necessary advance warning so they can alert crews and re route on the day.”
So yeah, they really f**ked it as a brand IMO recently. Kinda glad I’m not directly involved! |
"So why are they letting a group with specific corporate interests as a solution protest under their banner. "
Got any more on that? | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:18 - Oct 5 with 653 views | J2BLUE |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:15 - Oct 5 by monytowbray |
Do you read? |
You said it has been proven to be false for a long time.
I'm asking.
If we're talking about different things just say so. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:20 - Oct 5 with 647 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:17 - Oct 5 by bluelagos |
"So why are they letting a group with specific corporate interests as a solution protest under their banner. "
Got any more on that? |
Insulate Britain is an angle to pressure the government into something that someone will profit off.
I support insulation in general as part of the solution (as well as many other things), but blocking roads demanding it and then piggybacking off XR as an offshoot despite what XR says it respresents?
XR should have distanced. [Post edited 5 Oct 2021 16:23]
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:21 - Oct 5 with 636 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:18 - Oct 5 by J2BLUE |
You said it has been proven to be false for a long time.
I'm asking.
If we're talking about different things just say so. |
Read it again.
You were in this thread. Not doing it again.
[Post edited 5 Oct 2021 16:29]
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:25 - Oct 5 with 601 views | bazza |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:24 - Oct 5 by monytowbray |
Get rid of beef so the earth doesn’t die from cow queef.
Cut out chicken before the world gets a dicking.
Ditch fish in your diet or the ocean goes quiet.
Or my fav…
If you eat meat you are a c**t. [Post edited 5 Oct 2021 15:26]
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Make fruit and veg the norm, and your back to Benidorm.. |  | | |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:29 - Oct 5 with 577 views | J2BLUE |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:25 - Oct 5 by bazza |
Make fruit and veg the norm, and your back to Benidorm.. |
Project Fear:
Lentils for dins, or holiday at Pontins! | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:30 - Oct 5 with 575 views | bluelagos |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:20 - Oct 5 by monytowbray |
Insulate Britain is an angle to pressure the government into something that someone will profit off.
I support insulation in general as part of the solution (as well as many other things), but blocking roads demanding it and then piggybacking off XR as an offshoot despite what XR says it respresents?
XR should have distanced. [Post edited 5 Oct 2021 16:23]
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Not quite sure on your angle tbh. When you talk about "corporate interest" is it as simple as insulating homes will also be in the interests of some corporate companies (who will then profit), or is there a closer tie/link between protesters and those corporate interests? | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:31 - Oct 5 with 563 views | J2BLUE |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:30 - Oct 5 by bluelagos |
Not quite sure on your angle tbh. When you talk about "corporate interest" is it as simple as insulating homes will also be in the interests of some corporate companies (who will then profit), or is there a closer tie/link between protesters and those corporate interests? |
You can't ask him to clarify anything. Read it again. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:34 - Oct 5 with 544 views | bazza |
Can’t we just give them a few rolls of rock wool, to keep
Britain’s roads clear. | | | |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:36 - Oct 5 with 532 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:30 - Oct 5 by bluelagos |
Not quite sure on your angle tbh. When you talk about "corporate interest" is it as simple as insulating homes will also be in the interests of some corporate companies (who will then profit), or is there a closer tie/link between protesters and those corporate interests? |
My main take is it doesn’t really align with XR’s MO no matter how you look at it. And it’s largely becoming damaging to the movement.
Links wise I’m just a cynic mainly, but I’ve put my bets on it. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:39 - Oct 5 with 502 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:31 - Oct 5 by J2BLUE |
You can't ask him to clarify anything. Read it again. |
I am here free of charge. I’m not your personal paid tutor.
You were in the thread (linked) where we discussed the fake claims of ambulance blocking a year ago. You saw me prove it to be nonsense. As I said in this thread in reply to you Roger “gave credence” to that claim in the video. You seemed to then think I denied the video existed.
So that’s why I said read again. Use ya brain. [Post edited 5 Oct 2021 16:40]
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