| Insulate Britain - wow 14:23 - Oct 4 with 17918 views | galacticoblue |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:04 - Oct 5 with 2092 views | EdwardStone |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 13:45 - Oct 5 by Clapham_Junction |
Generally internal wall insulation is more problematic than external.
In winter it prevents the external walls from warming up, potentially leading to more damp due to lower evaporation rates
In summer external insulation prevents the thermal mass of a building heating up too much and reduces overheating compared to uninsulated properties, while IWI will trap in the heat being released from the thermal mass and lead to more overheating than uninsulated properties. This will be a more significant issue in future as we have hotter summers.
External insulation is also better because you wrap the entire building in it, preventing cold bridges, which is almost impossible to do with internal insulation. |
I did consider these issues you mention when I was designing and building various houses/home offices and extensions
I settled on Composite walling, a mix of fibre and mineral infill for timber frame
The fibre provided insulation, the mineral provided thermal mass
I constructed several buildings using a Straw/Clay mix and 3 buildings using lime/hemp
All good fun, but I failed to generate much interest in taking it further
In the mass adoration of insulation we are forgetting the important part that thermal mass and breathability has to play in providing comfortable accommodation |  | | |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:13 - Oct 5 with 2067 views | Herbivore |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 13:52 - Oct 5 by nodge_blue |
Im not sure without googling when the human race started but I think it was about 300,000 years ago. Which is quite a long times especially as we now measure from only 2000 years ago.
During that time we lived until the last 250 years a fairly simple life. We didnt move about much, we clearly only had a bit of wood or coal as fuel for heating a fire etc. We didnt eat a huge and varied diet. We died young.
When I was born there were 3.5 billion people on the planet. Even in the hugely short period of time that Ive been alive, compared to the human race, we've now gone to about 8 billion. Thats mind blowing isn't it? Im not sure anyone ever checked with mother earth that this was going to be ok.
And in that short period of time we have gone from a fairly small part of the planet having a "western lifestyle" to now a significant part. And the remainder is trying to get there.
Look at the USA. Trump and his followers (which is still roughly half the population), won't give up on their hugely priviiliged, energy / meat consuming lifestyle. China and India are still in the mindset that they are developing nations that must be allowed the carbon head room to catch up with the west for all its billions of people. Brazil is cutting down the rain forests at a huge rate so that its growing meat industry of 200 million cattle can be sustained.
And against this backdrop we need to drastically cut carbon emissions in the next ten years.
Im all for giving it a go, but I think no matter how much lagging I put in my roof or how many people glue themselves to the M25 is going to make much difference. Its with an element of black humour that I look at what we are doing here in the UK to "protest".
How humanly arrogant of us as a race to think that we can take all these resources from the earth and for us to be 8 billion and rising, at no cost.
I could list out what Im trying to do personally as despite what Ive written I do feel this issue hugely, but I won't as its not a sanctimonious look at me issue.
But at the same time this protest mentality or disrupting peoples lives will do nothing in the scale of things. Sorry but there it is. |
I guess, somewhat thankfully, not everyone has thrown in the towel and accepted the death of the planet just yet. [Post edited 5 Oct 2021 14:13]
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:13 - Oct 5 with 2065 views | GeoffSentence |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 13:28 - Oct 5 by EdwardStone |
"Proof that real change is in the hands of our Lawmakers"
Well, exactly
They are all guilty.....not just fiddling while Rome burns, but conducting an entire Symphony Orchestra
From any reasonable standpoint, it is clear that Governments past and present don't understand the magnitude of the problems or have any reasonable idea of how to allow society to address these issues |
"In German supermarkets, beer is sold in reuseable bottles rather than cans. A deposit is paid and the empty bottles are collected and returned for reuse."
My fault. Sorry. As a kid we used to take Corona bottles back to the shop get the deposit, wait til the put them out back, nick them and collect the deposit all over again. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:15 - Oct 5 with 2062 views | Herbivore |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:13 - Oct 5 by GeoffSentence |
"In German supermarkets, beer is sold in reuseable bottles rather than cans. A deposit is paid and the empty bottles are collected and returned for reuse."
My fault. Sorry. As a kid we used to take Corona bottles back to the shop get the deposit, wait til the put them out back, nick them and collect the deposit all over again. |
When it's 35 degrees in November and the dolphins have taken to the land and overthrown humanity in a last ditch bid to save the planet, we'll know who to blame. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:17 - Oct 5 with 2046 views | bluelagos |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:15 - Oct 5 by Herbivore |
When it's 35 degrees in November and the dolphins have taken to the land and overthrown humanity in a last ditch bid to save the planet, we'll know who to blame. |
Nah, the Tuna fishermen will have sorted those fckers out. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:28 - Oct 5 with 2031 views | GeoffSentence |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:15 - Oct 5 by Herbivore |
When it's 35 degrees in November and the dolphins have taken to the land and overthrown humanity in a last ditch bid to save the planet, we'll know who to blame. |
I accept my share of the responsibility. I had no idea of the consequences at the time but I knew it was wrong. Also sorry to all the people who lost their jobs when Corona went bust not long afterwards. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:28 - Oct 5 with 2028 views | nodge_blue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:13 - Oct 5 by Herbivore |
I guess, somewhat thankfully, not everyone has thrown in the towel and accepted the death of the planet just yet. [Post edited 5 Oct 2021 14:13]
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Well they just haven't thought about it long enough.
I think the planet will survive and I think the human race will too. Just not in its current state or style of living - or numbers.
id challenge everyone on here for a start to delete all their cloud saved photos and videos - including facebook, youtube and instagram. The cloud computing industry alone contributes more than double the CO2 emissions than the airline industry. But how many people would do that? Would you do that?
I challenged an AWS representative about that when they presented to us as a company but they had no real answer. All these servers sit in Iceland etc consuming vast amounts of energy to keep them cool.
All for what? So that 2000 versions of the same sh1tty song from some concert can be saved on multiple servers (for back up) around the world.
And I haven't thrown in the towel. Im just saying pointless protests are worthless. Like telling a dictator he's a nasty man and he should stop. But the nasty man we are shouting at isn't as bad as the other really nasty men in other parts. And in the case of the roads its worse than that as it actually has had negative impacts such as the ambulances. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:32 - Oct 5 with 2019 views | Crawfordsboot |
Quite a number of posts on here raise really interesting points for further discussion. I’ll throw out a few of my own.
XR and insulate, as direct action groups, are getting lots of mentions some positive but a great many negative. I can’t help but reflect that the two individuals who far and away have done most to raise awareness of the climate change crisis here in the UK are Greta and Attenborough. They impact across all generations but neither undertake direct action. They have persuaded people by the power of their arguments. XR and insulate have had a lot of coverage about their actions but rather less about the issues.
The danger with direct action in a democracy is that it subverts society and the rule of law. Unchecked it leads to the slippery slope that we saw in the US where self righteous Trump supporters marched on Washington and appeared to be a real threat to the democratic rule.
I recognise the need to address climate change and therefore I have a solar installation and an electric car. My views on the climate problem developed because of Greta, Attenborough and scientific evidence, whereas I find XR and insulate alienating. |  | | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:39 - Oct 5 with 1991 views | bazza |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 13:24 - Oct 5 by Herbivore |
No bacon til Macon. No pork til New York. |
Cut out the mince.. to Help your carbon footprints.. lay off the spam if your off to Milan. |  | | |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:23 - Oct 5 with 1921 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:32 - Oct 5 by Crawfordsboot |
Quite a number of posts on here raise really interesting points for further discussion. I’ll throw out a few of my own.
XR and insulate, as direct action groups, are getting lots of mentions some positive but a great many negative. I can’t help but reflect that the two individuals who far and away have done most to raise awareness of the climate change crisis here in the UK are Greta and Attenborough. They impact across all generations but neither undertake direct action. They have persuaded people by the power of their arguments. XR and insulate have had a lot of coverage about their actions but rather less about the issues.
The danger with direct action in a democracy is that it subverts society and the rule of law. Unchecked it leads to the slippery slope that we saw in the US where self righteous Trump supporters marched on Washington and appeared to be a real threat to the democratic rule.
I recognise the need to address climate change and therefore I have a solar installation and an electric car. My views on the climate problem developed because of Greta, Attenborough and scientific evidence, whereas I find XR and insulate alienating. |
Hard to tell as I work in a libtard bubble, but I think XR have done as much as anyone for bringing climate change back into the public discourse. Although unpicking their impact from the undoubtedly high profile of Greta would be hard. Undoubtedly Greta has a great impact, as has Attenborough albeit slightly more focused and imo more quickly forgot by the public.
Civic unrest has always split public opinion. People used to go out in gangs and push, punch and generally beat the Suffragettes. A different time maybe, but nothing has changed - see the photos of angry motorists manhandling these protestors (who are peaceful even if disrupting). Disruption tactics are often not popular but sometimes necessary. I don't know whether this particular disruption is necessary, only time will tell. It's certainly a huge issue though that isn't being dealt with and does need more attention/action. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:24 - Oct 5 with 1916 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:39 - Oct 5 by bazza |
Cut out the mince.. to Help your carbon footprints.. lay off the spam if your off to Milan. |
Get rid of beef so the earth doesn’t die from cow queef.
Cut out chicken before the world gets a dicking.
Ditch fish in your diet or the ocean goes quiet.
Or my fav…
If you eat meat you are a c**t. [Post edited 5 Oct 2021 15:26]
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:27 - Oct 5 with 1902 views | J2BLUE |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:23 - Oct 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Hard to tell as I work in a libtard bubble, but I think XR have done as much as anyone for bringing climate change back into the public discourse. Although unpicking their impact from the undoubtedly high profile of Greta would be hard. Undoubtedly Greta has a great impact, as has Attenborough albeit slightly more focused and imo more quickly forgot by the public.
Civic unrest has always split public opinion. People used to go out in gangs and push, punch and generally beat the Suffragettes. A different time maybe, but nothing has changed - see the photos of angry motorists manhandling these protestors (who are peaceful even if disrupting). Disruption tactics are often not popular but sometimes necessary. I don't know whether this particular disruption is necessary, only time will tell. It's certainly a huge issue though that isn't being dealt with and does need more attention/action. |
Good to know I can do whatever I want as long as it's peaceful. I think i'll come and stand on the road blocking the entrance to your house. Lets hope you don't have any emergencies. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:27 - Oct 5 with 1901 views | nodge_blue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:24 - Oct 5 by monytowbray |
Get rid of beef so the earth doesn’t die from cow queef.
Cut out chicken before the world gets a dicking.
Ditch fish in your diet or the ocean goes quiet.
Or my fav…
If you eat meat you are a c**t. [Post edited 5 Oct 2021 15:26]
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Keep fish in your diet so that some of the plastic comes out? | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:28 - Oct 5 with 1895 views | Herbivore |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:27 - Oct 5 by J2BLUE |
Good to know I can do whatever I want as long as it's peaceful. I think i'll come and stand on the road blocking the entrance to your house. Lets hope you don't have any emergencies. |
What cause are you trying to highlight in doing so? | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:30 - Oct 5 with 1886 views | J2BLUE |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:28 - Oct 5 by Herbivore |
What cause are you trying to highlight in doing so? |
Swanners using a car. I'm going to peacefully shut that down. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:32 - Oct 5 with 1877 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:27 - Oct 5 by J2BLUE |
Good to know I can do whatever I want as long as it's peaceful. I think i'll come and stand on the road blocking the entrance to your house. Lets hope you don't have any emergencies. |
I suggest doing it while you can before the The Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill comes into force. I'll even make you a cup of tea as it's getting a bit nippy now. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:32 - Oct 5 with 1877 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:23 - Oct 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Hard to tell as I work in a libtard bubble, but I think XR have done as much as anyone for bringing climate change back into the public discourse. Although unpicking their impact from the undoubtedly high profile of Greta would be hard. Undoubtedly Greta has a great impact, as has Attenborough albeit slightly more focused and imo more quickly forgot by the public.
Civic unrest has always split public opinion. People used to go out in gangs and push, punch and generally beat the Suffragettes. A different time maybe, but nothing has changed - see the photos of angry motorists manhandling these protestors (who are peaceful even if disrupting). Disruption tactics are often not popular but sometimes necessary. I don't know whether this particular disruption is necessary, only time will tell. It's certainly a huge issue though that isn't being dealt with and does need more attention/action. |
“ I don't know whether this particular disruption is necessary”
And there’s the dilemma. If a small group believes something they feel entitled to take action against the rest of society. If this was a religious group complaining about disrespect of their God would they be justified in taking positive action ( note the majority in this country are not religious).
Is this reasonable. One man’s belief is another man’s bigotry. Is action ok if you agree with the cause or not ok if you happen to disagree. This is impossible to reconcile unless you operate within a free democracy where opinion is unfettered but actions, that have consequences, are subject to the rules of society. | | | |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:36 - Oct 5 with 1856 views | bluelagos |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 14:32 - Oct 5 by Crawfordsboot |
Quite a number of posts on here raise really interesting points for further discussion. I’ll throw out a few of my own.
XR and insulate, as direct action groups, are getting lots of mentions some positive but a great many negative. I can’t help but reflect that the two individuals who far and away have done most to raise awareness of the climate change crisis here in the UK are Greta and Attenborough. They impact across all generations but neither undertake direct action. They have persuaded people by the power of their arguments. XR and insulate have had a lot of coverage about their actions but rather less about the issues.
The danger with direct action in a democracy is that it subverts society and the rule of law. Unchecked it leads to the slippery slope that we saw in the US where self righteous Trump supporters marched on Washington and appeared to be a real threat to the democratic rule.
I recognise the need to address climate change and therefore I have a solar installation and an electric car. My views on the climate problem developed because of Greta, Attenborough and scientific evidence, whereas I find XR and insulate alienating. |
"The danger with direct action in a democracy..."
Be sure to let me know when we become one. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:38 - Oct 5 with 1848 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:23 - Oct 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Hard to tell as I work in a libtard bubble, but I think XR have done as much as anyone for bringing climate change back into the public discourse. Although unpicking their impact from the undoubtedly high profile of Greta would be hard. Undoubtedly Greta has a great impact, as has Attenborough albeit slightly more focused and imo more quickly forgot by the public.
Civic unrest has always split public opinion. People used to go out in gangs and push, punch and generally beat the Suffragettes. A different time maybe, but nothing has changed - see the photos of angry motorists manhandling these protestors (who are peaceful even if disrupting). Disruption tactics are often not popular but sometimes necessary. I don't know whether this particular disruption is necessary, only time will tell. It's certainly a huge issue though that isn't being dealt with and does need more attention/action. |
The fundamental thing with C-D is it is a product of a failed system and/or frustrations of a section of population not being heard.
Why are people laying on the M25 to insulate houses I still can’t grasp as it’s a million miles from XR’s actual aims and goals in writing and as I said on P1, I have some strong doubts about the integrity of a campaign that has corporate interests.
But in general RE climate, Greta tried to tell us and the world bullied her. Scientists tried to tell us but we ignored it. And the issue is STILL getting worse. Until we accept the level of convenience we have is a privilege we can’t continue we are f**ked. Green energy will not fill the gap to allow disaster capitalism to continue. The whole system needs revamping and IMO it starts with the breakup of corps for local business.
If you were told if you sail down a river someone will give you a million quid, but then at the end is an unavoidable waterfall that will plunge you to your death, would you take the chance for the money? The waterfall is the death of the planet at the money is the world’s convenience of everything being disposable crap off a shop shelf.
People are waking up but it’s already an exercise in backpeddling from said waterfall. Part of the process is self-sustainability where ever possible. It’s very rewarding and I enjoy it, my house and garden gets regular compliments, most of it has been done with second hand stuff, repurposed stuff and a bit of DIY/TLC.
Also, if you just look after your sh1t it lasts longer. Ikea tell you your furniture needs replacing every two years but I’ve had a shelving unit that’s lasted me 10. My sofa is now pushing a decade and still looks decent. Are people smashing their houses with a hammer or something? Or is the capitalist illusion that buying stuff will make you happy turning us into short term dopamine fiends? | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:40 - Oct 5 with 1836 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:27 - Oct 5 by nodge_blue |
Keep fish in your diet so that some of the plastic comes out? |
They throw it back in if they catch it!
Although, there’s scientific evidence plastic is breaking down so small it’s becoming a non-biodegradable element of our own bodies now and we have no idea what the long term repercussions of that are.
Lego disease will kill us all. [Post edited 5 Oct 2021 15:43]
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:42 - Oct 5 with 1832 views | Crawfordsboot |
I can’t help but wonder - how many posters on here voted Green Party at the last election?
Just asking 🤔 | | | |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:44 - Oct 5 with 1828 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:42 - Oct 5 by Crawfordsboot |
I can’t help but wonder - how many posters on here voted Green Party at the last election?
Just asking 🤔 |
I’m a donating member. Although last GE I voted for thar bloke who we were told would cause all the problems we see now.
Wonder how time and history will make us reflect on that? | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:45 - Oct 5 with 1816 views | monytowbray |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:27 - Oct 5 by J2BLUE |
Good to know I can do whatever I want as long as it's peaceful. I think i'll come and stand on the road blocking the entrance to your house. Lets hope you don't have any emergencies. |
What if they didn’t but then we all die miserably anyway?
It’s a pretty doom and gloom scenario either way. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:46 - Oct 5 with 1815 views | bluelagos |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:38 - Oct 5 by monytowbray |
The fundamental thing with C-D is it is a product of a failed system and/or frustrations of a section of population not being heard.
Why are people laying on the M25 to insulate houses I still can’t grasp as it’s a million miles from XR’s actual aims and goals in writing and as I said on P1, I have some strong doubts about the integrity of a campaign that has corporate interests.
But in general RE climate, Greta tried to tell us and the world bullied her. Scientists tried to tell us but we ignored it. And the issue is STILL getting worse. Until we accept the level of convenience we have is a privilege we can’t continue we are f**ked. Green energy will not fill the gap to allow disaster capitalism to continue. The whole system needs revamping and IMO it starts with the breakup of corps for local business.
If you were told if you sail down a river someone will give you a million quid, but then at the end is an unavoidable waterfall that will plunge you to your death, would you take the chance for the money? The waterfall is the death of the planet at the money is the world’s convenience of everything being disposable crap off a shop shelf.
People are waking up but it’s already an exercise in backpeddling from said waterfall. Part of the process is self-sustainability where ever possible. It’s very rewarding and I enjoy it, my house and garden gets regular compliments, most of it has been done with second hand stuff, repurposed stuff and a bit of DIY/TLC.
Also, if you just look after your sh1t it lasts longer. Ikea tell you your furniture needs replacing every two years but I’ve had a shelving unit that’s lasted me 10. My sofa is now pushing a decade and still looks decent. Are people smashing their houses with a hammer or something? Or is the capitalist illusion that buying stuff will make you happy turning us into short term dopamine fiends? |
"Or is the capitalist illusion that buying stuff will make you happy "
In a nutshell. Many people are addicted to new stuff and for what? Cos it looks good? Cos it makes them feel better? To get one up on the neighbours?
And as a society we are addicted to stuff. Many of our jobs depend on it. The economy is built on it - retailing and making (or importing from China) stuff all depend on us buying stuff we don't need, primarily to massage our egos. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:47 - Oct 5 with 1805 views | bluelagos |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:42 - Oct 5 by Crawfordsboot |
I can’t help but wonder - how many posters on here voted Green Party at the last election?
Just asking 🤔 |
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