| Insulate Britain - wow 14:23 - Oct 4 with 17899 views | galacticoblue |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 09:41 - Oct 5 with 963 views | Darth_Koont |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 09:27 - Oct 5 by Herbivore |
The protests aren't about trying to educate people, they are about trying to create pressure on those in power to actually take action. The science on climate change is clear and yet still too little is being done, this isn't an issue of educating those in power, they already know. |
Indeed.
As Clapham’s post went into detail, they’ve tried to quietly engage and inform specifically in this Insulate campaign too. And been utterly ignored.
History will tell whether we look back on these events in 20 years and see workshy tossers ruining other people’s day or protesters standing up for the planet against the indifference of far too many in society. Looking at the way climate change is going, I think history won’t look kindly on that indifference. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 09:44 - Oct 5 with 939 views | positivity |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 09:39 - Oct 5 by Herbivore |
Yes, I'm sure there's no security or police presence that would prevent protesters getting anywhere near Johnson or the Tory conference. I'm not particularly in favour of this particular form of protest but the notion that protest shouldn't be disruptive is bizarre. |
not keen on the tactics either, but there's a school of thought that you need direct action to help bring change.
for every mlk you need a malcolm x
for every desmond tutu you need an anc
for every suffragist you need a suffragette
for every green party you need an insulate gb? | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 09:44 - Oct 5 with 936 views | EdwardStone |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 00:53 - Oct 5 by Lord_Lucan |
You might be a bit annoyed if you lived in an older type house as it would crumble and fall down if you insulated it.
Older houses are designed to breath out moisture. |
Very valid point
Secondary insulation needs to be breathable and not compromise the structure of the building
Simply gluing polystyrene blocks on the outside of an old house could well bring all kinds of condensation and mould issues
All needs to be carefully considered and a wise solution enacted |  | | |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 09:45 - Oct 5 with 924 views | giant_stow |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 09:39 - Oct 5 by Herbivore |
I think that's a rather naive view. |
That's OK, maybe you're right, but I think it's a process which is gathering momentum personally. Apart from anything, Its becoming ever more obvious that energy isn't just a climate change issue, but also a matter of security and lifestyle too. For example, if the lights go off this winter, a silver lining might be a further push towards devloping more green energy. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 09:52 - Oct 5 with 876 views | nodge_blue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 15:00 - Oct 4 by chicoazul |
Protestors are entitled to be annoying and inconvenient. That’s the point of a protest. Until all this began I had no idea about insulate Britain and their goals and now we all know them. I think it’s wrong to equivocate their actions to the IRA though. |
Id say you are stretching the definition of inconvenient when they are delaying ambulances from getting to hospitals. And who knows who else is stuck in traffic jams, could be surgeons going to operations, teachers going to schools etc. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 09:56 - Oct 5 with 850 views | bluelagos |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 09:39 - Oct 5 by Herbivore |
Yes, I'm sure there's no security or police presence that would prevent protesters getting anywhere near Johnson or the Tory conference. I'm not particularly in favour of this particular form of protest but the notion that protest shouldn't be disruptive is bizarre. |
Isn't it.
That bast@rd Martin Luther King sitting down, blocking bridges. No consideration for ordinary people trying to go about their lawful business. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:00 - Oct 5 with 822 views | nodge_blue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 16:27 - Oct 4 by bluelagos |
Imagine being more outraged at the frustrations of commuters / delays caused by environmental protesters than by the ongoing environmental destruction that is occuring on our planet.
Destruction that causes people not to be late for meetings, or to see a relative in hospital, but environmental catastrophe that causes people to die.
If you think I am being simplistic, have a read up of the causes of the conflict in Darfur, and how desertification was a key part in that conflict that is estimated to have cost upwards of 300k lives.
Insulate Britain continue to protest at great personal cost/danger. I for one won't be condemning them, rather listening to them, to their message and recognising that in the big scheme of things, they are the ones on the right side of the environmental argument.
They will undoubtedly p*ss off a lot of people, just like many protesters in history have. That's kind of the point of direct action protesting, to bring to the front of people's minds the need for change. |
They should all go to China or the USA then if they want to affect real change that could make a difference.
Insulating British homes is such a small drop in the ocean.
But they won't of course because places like China wouldn't tolerate it. And yet their coal powered economy is a huge problem and its still growing.
Sadly their message is well intentioned but mis directed and likely to cause more resentment than approval from the British public.
And how can they morally stop ambulances from getting to hospitals? | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:02 - Oct 5 with 815 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:00 - Oct 5 by nodge_blue |
They should all go to China or the USA then if they want to affect real change that could make a difference.
Insulating British homes is such a small drop in the ocean.
But they won't of course because places like China wouldn't tolerate it. And yet their coal powered economy is a huge problem and its still growing.
Sadly their message is well intentioned but mis directed and likely to cause more resentment than approval from the British public.
And how can they morally stop ambulances from getting to hospitals? |
Steady on.
"But when I initially asked the radical green group Extinction Rebellion (XR) if they had considered demonstrating against China, it triggered a furious response. An XR member tweeted accusing me of perpetuating anti-Chinese racist stereotypes and failing to report climate change properly."
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58584976 | | | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:06 - Oct 5 with 801 views | timothyeo |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 09:39 - Oct 5 by Herbivore |
Yes, I'm sure there's no security or police presence that would prevent protesters getting anywhere near Johnson or the Tory conference. I'm not particularly in favour of this particular form of protest but the notion that protest shouldn't be disruptive is bizarre. |
No problem with being disruptive to an extent, the nature of protest kind of dictates it has to be.
But let's not do something that causes risks to innocent people. To me it shows a real lack of understanding or basic intelligence to do something which gives the opposition such an easy attack - stopping Ambulances will not only mean that the general public show disgust towards them, it's also giving the govt / general opposition really powerful ammunition to use against them. | | | |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:09 - Oct 5 with 792 views | Darth_Koont |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:00 - Oct 5 by nodge_blue |
They should all go to China or the USA then if they want to affect real change that could make a difference.
Insulating British homes is such a small drop in the ocean.
But they won't of course because places like China wouldn't tolerate it. And yet their coal powered economy is a huge problem and its still growing.
Sadly their message is well intentioned but mis directed and likely to cause more resentment than approval from the British public.
And how can they morally stop ambulances from getting to hospitals? |
How can we have a net Zero goal when we can’t take one of the steps needed towards achieving that?
How can we point the finger at the US and China when we won’t change enough ourselves and when their emissions are largely ours because we’ve outsourced our manufacturing to them?
Also, the ambulance thing is a red herring and it seems to be used every time there’s civil disobedience/disruption. That’s never used as a reason to get cars off the road and avoid traffic jams. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:11 - Oct 5 with 783 views | positivity |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:02 - Oct 5 by FoghornGleghorn |
Steady on.
"But when I initially asked the radical green group Extinction Rebellion (XR) if they had considered demonstrating against China, it triggered a furious response. An XR member tweeted accusing me of perpetuating anti-Chinese racist stereotypes and failing to report climate change properly."
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58584976 |
interesting link in that article about carbon emissions per head, china about half of usa (though a bit more than us).
if we take out the emissions that our based on manufacturing and exporting to countries like us, that brings it down further.
why is gibraltar so high (4 times the uk)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_ | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:14 - Oct 5 with 771 views | positivity |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:06 - Oct 5 by timothyeo |
No problem with being disruptive to an extent, the nature of protest kind of dictates it has to be.
But let's not do something that causes risks to innocent people. To me it shows a real lack of understanding or basic intelligence to do something which gives the opposition such an easy attack - stopping Ambulances will not only mean that the general public show disgust towards them, it's also giving the govt / general opposition really powerful ammunition to use against them. |
"let's not do something that causes risks to innocent people"-
like causing global warming then?
like driving a car?
like reducing universal credit?
that rules out just about every protest or political decision! | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:14 - Oct 5 with 767 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 09:39 - Oct 5 by Herbivore |
Yes, I'm sure there's no security or police presence that would prevent protesters getting anywhere near Johnson or the Tory conference. I'm not particularly in favour of this particular form of protest but the notion that protest shouldn't be disruptive is bizarre. |
Are you seriously telling me that a large group can't get close enough to his hotel and ring bells and whistles all night.
There will be plenty of security at Cop26 later this month. That isn't stopping two of my daughters going down there to protest. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:15 - Oct 5 with 766 views | nodge_blue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:09 - Oct 5 by Darth_Koont |
How can we have a net Zero goal when we can’t take one of the steps needed towards achieving that?
How can we point the finger at the US and China when we won’t change enough ourselves and when their emissions are largely ours because we’ve outsourced our manufacturing to them?
Also, the ambulance thing is a red herring and it seems to be used every time there’s civil disobedience/disruption. That’s never used as a reason to get cars off the road and avoid traffic jams. |
As I said in my other post, who knows what people are on what vital journey?
I agree its very difficult to point fingers at anyone. The deforestation of Brazil is in some ways only what we did hundreds of years ago to create arable land or land to graze cattle. The coal burnt in India is often because the areas are so poor and they are just trying to find ways of making a more comfortable lifestyle with just simple basic things.
We as a country must do all we can. And individually we must do all we can. Everyone should look at the flights they take, the car trips they make, what they buy and from where.
That way we might make some difference. Not by sitting in roads and stopping people. Many of whom will almost certainly have some important reason for their journey. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:20 - Oct 5 with 739 views | Herbivore |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:15 - Oct 5 by nodge_blue |
As I said in my other post, who knows what people are on what vital journey?
I agree its very difficult to point fingers at anyone. The deforestation of Brazil is in some ways only what we did hundreds of years ago to create arable land or land to graze cattle. The coal burnt in India is often because the areas are so poor and they are just trying to find ways of making a more comfortable lifestyle with just simple basic things.
We as a country must do all we can. And individually we must do all we can. Everyone should look at the flights they take, the car trips they make, what they buy and from where.
That way we might make some difference. Not by sitting in roads and stopping people. Many of whom will almost certainly have some important reason for their journey. |
India's emissions per capita are about a quarter of ours. We still aren't doing enough to get to net zero ourselves or to set an example to others. We import so much from China and that is a large contributor to their emissions, what are we doing to address that?
The fact is that individuals in the UK and our government aren't doing enough. We've been educating people on climate change for several decades and it's made relatively little difference. That's why people are protesting, other methods simply haven't made enough of a difference. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:22 - Oct 5 with 733 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:09 - Oct 5 by Darth_Koont |
How can we have a net Zero goal when we can’t take one of the steps needed towards achieving that?
How can we point the finger at the US and China when we won’t change enough ourselves and when their emissions are largely ours because we’ve outsourced our manufacturing to them?
Also, the ambulance thing is a red herring and it seems to be used every time there’s civil disobedience/disruption. That’s never used as a reason to get cars off the road and avoid traffic jams. |
Yes, ambulances on call are notoriously forced to sit still in traffic jams. | | | |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:26 - Oct 5 with 716 views | nodge_blue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:20 - Oct 5 by Herbivore |
India's emissions per capita are about a quarter of ours. We still aren't doing enough to get to net zero ourselves or to set an example to others. We import so much from China and that is a large contributor to their emissions, what are we doing to address that?
The fact is that individuals in the UK and our government aren't doing enough. We've been educating people on climate change for several decades and it's made relatively little difference. That's why people are protesting, other methods simply haven't made enough of a difference. |
Indias emissions are relatively low because of the abject poverty a huge number still live in with no electricity. Thats why their coal burning is still rising.
I agree on China. This whole global economy / just in time supply chain is bang out of order. We need to go back to a more basic way of living. We need alot LESS of everything - clothes, new furniture, 3 holidays abroad a year etc etc. We need to promote allotments and growing plants. We need to stop thinking that Vlogging is a career and that harvesting crops isn't.
Sadly i feel that we are doomed. I think the billions that live in China / India / Brazil etc - are still wanting a western standard of living that will only be met by fossil fuels being burnt because their leaders are only interested in short term power.
We may be saved by science. Possibly. | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:26 - Oct 5 with 709 views | Churchman |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 17:19 - Oct 4 by Swansea_Blue |
If they’re targeting emergency services, that’s not on and won’t help their cause one bit. To suggest it’s laughable that the planet is more important than us is laughable in itself though. Of course the planet is more important. All life literally depends on it. |
That isn’t what I meant. The reality is that one of these heroes said that what they are doing is far more important than somebody dying in an ambulance. They didn’t care. These people disgust me.
Would that individual be happy to see their own mother die in the back of an ambulance while they protest? I assume so or it’s double standards time.
If I barricaded these people in their homes and threatened to kill them one by one until the government scrapped nuclear submarines because I think they are a danger to the planet, they and most sane people would regard me as mad or criminal or both. Yet this IB form of blackmail is little different as far as I’m concerned. |  | | |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:59 - Oct 5 with 640 views | Keno |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:26 - Oct 5 by nodge_blue |
Indias emissions are relatively low because of the abject poverty a huge number still live in with no electricity. Thats why their coal burning is still rising.
I agree on China. This whole global economy / just in time supply chain is bang out of order. We need to go back to a more basic way of living. We need alot LESS of everything - clothes, new furniture, 3 holidays abroad a year etc etc. We need to promote allotments and growing plants. We need to stop thinking that Vlogging is a career and that harvesting crops isn't.
Sadly i feel that we are doomed. I think the billions that live in China / India / Brazil etc - are still wanting a western standard of living that will only be met by fossil fuels being burnt because their leaders are only interested in short term power.
We may be saved by science. Possibly. |
"We may be saved by science"
what Jeff Bezos and his giant penis shaped rocket? |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 11:03 - Oct 5 with 622 views | nodge_blue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:59 - Oct 5 by Keno |
"We may be saved by science"
what Jeff Bezos and his giant penis shaped rocket? |
I was thinking more of removal of co2 from the atmosphere rather than living on Mars! | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 11:08 - Oct 5 with 594 views | leitrimblue |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 09:44 - Oct 5 by EdwardStone |
Very valid point
Secondary insulation needs to be breathable and not compromise the structure of the building
Simply gluing polystyrene blocks on the outside of an old house could well bring all kinds of condensation and mould issues
All needs to be carefully considered and a wise solution enacted |
Dry line it from the inside surely? |  | | |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 11:10 - Oct 5 with 582 views | Keno |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 11:03 - Oct 5 by nodge_blue |
I was thinking more of removal of co2 from the atmosphere rather than living on Mars! |
Fair enough
Maybe his rocket might be being set up to ejaculate something into the atmosphere to help remove CO2 | |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 11:10 - Oct 5 with 581 views | Digger77 |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 11:03 - Oct 5 by nodge_blue |
I was thinking more of removal of co2 from the atmosphere rather than living on Mars! |
I think the trees and plants of the world would object to that. They actually like Co2! | | | |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 11:11 - Oct 5 with 567 views | chicoazul |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 09:52 - Oct 5 by nodge_blue |
Id say you are stretching the definition of inconvenient when they are delaying ambulances from getting to hospitals. And who knows who else is stuck in traffic jams, could be surgeons going to operations, teachers going to schools etc. |
It “could be” those things, yes. Lots of things could be. But that doesn’t change the point that protests are supposed to be annoying inconvenient and as high profile as possible.
Clearly lots of people in this thread who have never been on a protest March. |  |
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| Insulate Britain - wow on 11:16 - Oct 5 with 542 views | chicoazul |
| Insulate Britain - wow on 10:22 - Oct 5 by FoghornGleghorn |
Yes, ambulances on call are notoriously forced to sit still in traffic jams. |
It’s a very good point though. EMTs and Paramedics are literally trained on avoiding/getting through traffic jams and dispatchers are trained to advise them on routes to avoid them. LAS TOC will have plenty of contingencies in place for just these eventualities.
Every time there is a protest someone pipes up about ambulances. Pretty sure we would have heard by now of someone dying because of a protest if it was a genuine risk given the number of people that cry about it every time. | |
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