| Dobra loan 18:51 - Oct 26 with 7616 views | ITFC_96 |
This loan has been useless for his development. Fans complaining that he and a Fulham player haven't played at all, just been kept on the bench.
Forced him out for no reason when he would probably have had more progress playing for the U23s than sitting on Colchester's crap benches. |  | | |  |
| Dobra loan on 21:14 - Oct 26 with 2813 views | Westover |
Sears should have made it 2-2 but after two mistakes from the keeper it's 1-3 for Sutton against 10 man Colchester, Dobra still not on. [Post edited 26 Oct 2021 21:16]
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| Dobra loan on 21:35 - Oct 26 with 2773 views | ITFC_96 |
| Dobra loan on 20:32 - Oct 26 by Simonds92 |
Reality check really, he's not very good. I don't get the fanfare that surrounds him. If he's going to be good enough, at his age he needs to be able to command a place in a league 1 side, he's currently unable to get in to a very average league 2 team. |
What's he supposed to do if the manager isn't playing him?
Again, I suggest you all take a look at Colchester fan's comments about the situation. The manager is refusing to play either of his loan players and they are also bewildered.
There's no point sending players on loan to clubs which aren't giving them game time... | | | |
| Dobra loan on 22:20 - Oct 26 with 2711 views | itfcjoe |
| Dobra loan on 21:14 - Oct 26 by Westover |
Sears should have made it 2-2 but after two mistakes from the keeper it's 1-3 for Sutton against 10 man Colchester, Dobra still not on. [Post edited 26 Oct 2021 21:16]
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Shame about the red card as it killed the game - their fans I spoke to said keeper been best player this year by a mile but he totally cost them the game tonight. |  |
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| Dobra loan on 07:11 - Oct 27 with 2607 views | Churchman |
| Dobra loan on 21:35 - Oct 26 by ITFC_96 |
What's he supposed to do if the manager isn't playing him?
Again, I suggest you all take a look at Colchester fan's comments about the situation. The manager is refusing to play either of his loan players and they are also bewildered.
There's no point sending players on loan to clubs which aren't giving them game time... |
One of their supporters said that if Colchester and another lad are not going to be played, they should go back to their parent clubs. Another described the ‘Ipswich old Guard’ as too slow. People on their forum recognise they are in quite a bit of trouble and looking at the L2 table, they’re right.
As for Dobra, I thought it was a good move for him at the time but it’s clearly not working out. |  | | |
| Dobra loan on 09:16 - Oct 27 with 2508 views | textbackup |
| Dobra loan on 07:11 - Oct 27 by Churchman |
One of their supporters said that if Colchester and another lad are not going to be played, they should go back to their parent clubs. Another described the ‘Ipswich old Guard’ as too slow. People on their forum recognise they are in quite a bit of trouble and looking at the L2 table, they’re right.
As for Dobra, I thought it was a good move for him at the time but it’s clearly not working out. |
4 players signed from a team used to losing and underachieving on a regular basis.
As many of their fans are saying on Twitter, lazy thoughtless signings.
And for just a moment I’m thinking what must be going through them players heads… imagine being on a down let with your career for 5/6 years in a row. Think id sack of the £2/3k cololololchester are paying and give up |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 09:33 - Oct 27 with 2467 views | textbackup |
| Dobra loan on 07:11 - Oct 27 by Churchman |
One of their supporters said that if Colchester and another lad are not going to be played, they should go back to their parent clubs. Another described the ‘Ipswich old Guard’ as too slow. People on their forum recognise they are in quite a bit of trouble and looking at the L2 table, they’re right.
As for Dobra, I thought it was a good move for him at the time but it’s clearly not working out. |
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| Dobra loan on 10:04 - Oct 27 with 2424 views | itfcjoe |
| Dobra loan on 07:11 - Oct 27 by Churchman |
One of their supporters said that if Colchester and another lad are not going to be played, they should go back to their parent clubs. Another described the ‘Ipswich old Guard’ as too slow. People on their forum recognise they are in quite a bit of trouble and looking at the L2 table, they’re right.
As for Dobra, I thought it was a good move for him at the time but it’s clearly not working out. |
I went last night and not difficult to see where Colchester's problems come from - they simply don't have a proper striker to lead the line - last night it was a 17 year old who couldn't make anything stick. Sears was playing off him and initially his movement caused problems as with the first goal which set them nicely.
But there is no pace or physicality in their team - Chambers and Smith at centre back, Chambers not an issue as right back was decent enough and had a bit of pace - but on left they had Charlie Daniels (ex-Bournemouth) and his defending was terrible (see 1st goal). So weak, so slow and just couldn't defend in a 4 - so the ball in behind him with Smith trying to cover just was easy for Sutton to exploit.
The keeper spills a corner and it is poked towards goal and Tovide handballs it - red card, 2-1, game over. I've never seen a side and management team just react so slowly to a red. Bearing in mind it was before the half hour they just looked a rabble until half time when they got organised - Sears up on his own doing next to nothing with no support at all.
Looked ok after break, then keeper spills another one into his net from a weak header.
The crowd was really toxic, every song was about the chairman once they fell behind, banners being unfurled, in such a small stadium you hear everything as well and all the players getting loud individual criticism all game - didn't look a fun place to play.
The team severely lacks energy though, just none throughout the team at all [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 10:08]
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| Dobra loan on 10:05 - Oct 27 with 2421 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Dobra loan on 20:20 - Oct 26 by chrismakin |
I didn't say he had a bad attitude flash. Its just dobs. He needs guidance and someone whose able to push him. He's not getting it there. |
That is LITERALLY what you're saying;
"His attitude was excellent with the work done with him. Unfortunately away from it, all that effort is being undone"
- so therefore he has a bad attitude...
"Dobs needs a firm but fair arm and a kick up the ar$e to realise his potential. Without it he just floats on a cloud. Turns up. Goes home."
- these are absolute definitions of someone having a bad attitude. Why are you denying you said it when it's right there? |  |
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| Dobra loan on 10:17 - Oct 27 with 2396 views | chrismakin |
| Dobra loan on 10:05 - Oct 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That is LITERALLY what you're saying;
"His attitude was excellent with the work done with him. Unfortunately away from it, all that effort is being undone"
- so therefore he has a bad attitude...
"Dobs needs a firm but fair arm and a kick up the ar$e to realise his potential. Without it he just floats on a cloud. Turns up. Goes home."
- these are absolute definitions of someone having a bad attitude. Why are you denying you said it when it's right there? |
Because he's doing what he is required to do, however he's not pushing. Hence why I said all the efforts with him is being undone.
He's always had talent, but he lacks Drive and determination. That's not saying he has a bad attitude.
Staff at town have spent a lot of man hours with Dobs getting that passion to come through. |  |
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| Dobra loan on 10:43 - Oct 27 with 2378 views | MaySixth |
| Dobra loan on 18:56 - Oct 26 by ITFC_96 |
We literally have Barry who we haven't played at all either and he's a highly rated youngster. That's how loans go...
My point is that he might as well have stayed here and played for the U23s than do nothing on their bench. Managers aren't going to stick loan players on when their team is being threatened with relegation. Just a pointless move all round. |
Yes, I agree with Barry.
In some ways, you could argue we let Barry go back to Villa and recall Dobra as they are both not troubling the first team. |  |
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| Dobra loan on 10:45 - Oct 27 with 2375 views | MaySixth |
| Dobra loan on 22:20 - Oct 26 by itfcjoe |
Shame about the red card as it killed the game - their fans I spoke to said keeper been best player this year by a mile but he totally cost them the game tonight. |
Sounds like Bazunu at Pompey | |
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| Dobra loan on 10:46 - Oct 27 with 2372 views | MaySixth |
| Dobra loan on 10:04 - Oct 27 by itfcjoe |
I went last night and not difficult to see where Colchester's problems come from - they simply don't have a proper striker to lead the line - last night it was a 17 year old who couldn't make anything stick. Sears was playing off him and initially his movement caused problems as with the first goal which set them nicely.
But there is no pace or physicality in their team - Chambers and Smith at centre back, Chambers not an issue as right back was decent enough and had a bit of pace - but on left they had Charlie Daniels (ex-Bournemouth) and his defending was terrible (see 1st goal). So weak, so slow and just couldn't defend in a 4 - so the ball in behind him with Smith trying to cover just was easy for Sutton to exploit.
The keeper spills a corner and it is poked towards goal and Tovide handballs it - red card, 2-1, game over. I've never seen a side and management team just react so slowly to a red. Bearing in mind it was before the half hour they just looked a rabble until half time when they got organised - Sears up on his own doing next to nothing with no support at all.
Looked ok after break, then keeper spills another one into his net from a weak header.
The crowd was really toxic, every song was about the chairman once they fell behind, banners being unfurled, in such a small stadium you hear everything as well and all the players getting loud individual criticism all game - didn't look a fun place to play.
The team severely lacks energy though, just none throughout the team at all [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 10:08]
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| Dobra loan on 10:57 - Oct 27 with 2364 views | TractorCam |
| Dobra loan on 21:04 - Oct 26 by Mach_foreignBlue |
We had a number of people who wanted the contract extensions to be handed to these failures.
Pisspoor signings for them therefore the ramifications are painful. National League beckons. |
You'll do well to find a Colchester fan who rates Judge, a man who a fair few wanted signed up on a longer deal. Madness to think he was considered a big player when now he wouldn't even be fourth choice. |  |
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| Dobra loan on 11:04 - Oct 27 with 2346 views | itfcjoe |
| Dobra loan on 10:57 - Oct 27 by TractorCam |
You'll do well to find a Colchester fan who rates Judge, a man who a fair few wanted signed up on a longer deal. Madness to think he was considered a big player when now he wouldn't even be fourth choice. |
The fans I spoke to liked him, but say he is being shunted out on the left because the squad is so thin - when he's played central he's been good | |
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| Dobra loan on 11:41 - Oct 27 with 2317 views | Garv |
| Dobra loan on 10:04 - Oct 27 by itfcjoe |
I went last night and not difficult to see where Colchester's problems come from - they simply don't have a proper striker to lead the line - last night it was a 17 year old who couldn't make anything stick. Sears was playing off him and initially his movement caused problems as with the first goal which set them nicely.
But there is no pace or physicality in their team - Chambers and Smith at centre back, Chambers not an issue as right back was decent enough and had a bit of pace - but on left they had Charlie Daniels (ex-Bournemouth) and his defending was terrible (see 1st goal). So weak, so slow and just couldn't defend in a 4 - so the ball in behind him with Smith trying to cover just was easy for Sutton to exploit.
The keeper spills a corner and it is poked towards goal and Tovide handballs it - red card, 2-1, game over. I've never seen a side and management team just react so slowly to a red. Bearing in mind it was before the half hour they just looked a rabble until half time when they got organised - Sears up on his own doing next to nothing with no support at all.
Looked ok after break, then keeper spills another one into his net from a weak header.
The crowd was really toxic, every song was about the chairman once they fell behind, banners being unfurled, in such a small stadium you hear everything as well and all the players getting loud individual criticism all game - didn't look a fun place to play.
The team severely lacks energy though, just none throughout the team at all [Post edited 27 Oct 2021 10:08]
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Their recruitment looked lazy at the time and looks worse now.
The Port Vale highlights did not reflect well on Chambers whatsoever. Sad to see but not all that unpredictable.
As for lack of energy, when Skuse is your engine room what do you expect?
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| Dobra loan on 15:18 - Oct 27 with 2225 views | itfcjoe |
| Dobra loan on 11:41 - Oct 27 by Garv |
Their recruitment looked lazy at the time and looks worse now.
The Port Vale highlights did not reflect well on Chambers whatsoever. Sad to see but not all that unpredictable.
As for lack of energy, when Skuse is your engine room what do you expect?
And why is Nouble not leading the line? |
I haven't seen the Port Vale game, Chambers was one of their better players last night but those around me said he'd been the most disappointing of the signings so far.
Nouble is more a left winger now, he just doesn't have the ability to lead the line and fact there is a 17 year old starting in front of him tells that story.
Their recruitment reminded me of ours under Jewell, all individually a case can be made for and good players - but then when you put it all together you have a team of over 30s and not enough athleticisim | |
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| Dobra loan on 15:47 - Oct 27 with 2189 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Dobra loan on 15:18 - Oct 27 by itfcjoe |
I haven't seen the Port Vale game, Chambers was one of their better players last night but those around me said he'd been the most disappointing of the signings so far.
Nouble is more a left winger now, he just doesn't have the ability to lead the line and fact there is a 17 year old starting in front of him tells that story.
Their recruitment reminded me of ours under Jewell, all individually a case can be made for and good players - but then when you put it all together you have a team of over 30s and not enough athleticisim |
Feel sorry for Chambo. Really thought he'd take us back up and I'm sure nothing would've made him happier. To drop to Colchester in the way he did, and still be in a struggling team, with age catching up too, it must be getting harder and harder to motivate himself.
He's obviously done well out of football but it's not the end he would've wanted. | |
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| Dobra loan on 16:02 - Oct 27 with 2162 views | itfcjoe |
| Dobra loan on 15:47 - Oct 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Feel sorry for Chambo. Really thought he'd take us back up and I'm sure nothing would've made him happier. To drop to Colchester in the way he did, and still be in a struggling team, with age catching up too, it must be getting harder and harder to motivate himself.
He's obviously done well out of football but it's not the end he would've wanted. |
99% of football careers end badly and on someone else's terms - but he's effectively ended up there in the same team as here with just no quality up front and all the pressure on the defence.
The goalkeeper has been their best player by a mile this season according to those I spoke to - but he cost them the game last night badly | |
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| Dobra loan on 22:12 - Oct 27 with 2073 views | StokieBlue |
| Dobra loan on 18:55 - Oct 26 by chrismakin |
Dobs not doing himself any favours tho midweek. Heads gone back a couple years.
Needs the manager input he was getting from PC. Butch and Dyer. |
Only 3 months ago you said he was worth 5m and would go to Arsenal in the close season.
I'm not sure how you can go from that position to your current one in such a short space of time.
He's depreciating faster than a timeshare.
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| Dobra loan on 23:39 - Oct 27 with 2025 views | chrismakin |
| Dobra loan on 22:12 - Oct 27 by StokieBlue |
Only 3 months ago you said he was worth 5m and would go to Arsenal in the close season.
I'm not sure how you can go from that position to your current one in such a short space of time.
He's depreciating faster than a timeshare.
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It's quite simple SB as stated above and you're actually going back 6 months when discussing potential summer time outgoings.
Dobs is one of those players who needs support off the pitch in high amounts with regards to his mentality of what his ability could achieve. Without that daily mentoring he goes back into his previous self of doing what's required of him but not realising his potential.
As discussed previously. Very close to someone who mentored dobs who is no longer in the position to do so. Even more with him at col u, he's now further from the others involved too.
It's a shame as he really could make something at much higher level but this season is undoing a lot of hard work with him over the last 18 months. | |
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| Dobra loan on 08:10 - Oct 28 with 1948 views | bobbyramsey |
| Dobra loan on 15:47 - Oct 27 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Feel sorry for Chambo. Really thought he'd take us back up and I'm sure nothing would've made him happier. To drop to Colchester in the way he did, and still be in a struggling team, with age catching up too, it must be getting harder and harder to motivate himself.
He's obviously done well out of football but it's not the end he would've wanted. |
Chambers said he had the option to go to Gillingham...? |  | | |
| Dobra loan on 10:30 - Oct 28 with 1893 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Dobra loan on 08:10 - Oct 28 by bobbyramsey |
Chambers said he had the option to go to Gillingham...? |
Did he? | |
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| Dobra loan on 10:38 - Oct 28 with 1881 views | bobbyramsey |
Yep, pretty sure he did though it might just have been a ploy to secure the Col U deal.
If he did it makes you wonder why he ended up in Colchester? Gillingham isn't that far away...... | | | |
| Dobra loan on 10:43 - Oct 28 with 1872 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Dobra loan on 10:38 - Oct 28 by bobbyramsey |
Yep, pretty sure he did though it might just have been a ploy to secure the Col U deal.
If he did it makes you wonder why he ended up in Colchester? Gillingham isn't that far away...... |
Could be all sorts of reasons - kids won't have to move schools, the package offered (not just financial but a roadmap to coaching), sticking with his mates...
Either way, my point stands that he would've rather stayed and got us back up. | |
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| Dobra loan on 10:50 - Oct 28 with 1866 views | bobbyramsey |
| Dobra loan on 10:43 - Oct 28 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Could be all sorts of reasons - kids won't have to move schools, the package offered (not just financial but a roadmap to coaching), sticking with his mates...
Either way, my point stands that he would've rather stayed and got us back up. |
Who knows, it's football after all? Anybodies guess... | | | |
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