| Agendas 15:32 - Oct 31 with 4919 views | homer_123 |
Just to be clear...a lot of people talking about agendas in the past 48 hours or so.
The way I see it...as Town fans our agendas are all exactly the same.
We want the Club to be as successful as possible, regardless of who's playing, managing or owning the Club. |  |
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| Agendas on 23:10 - Oct 31 with 1185 views | Herbivore |
I can't bring myself to laugh at it, I think it's having some sort of breakdown. |  |
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| Agendas on 23:30 - Oct 31 with 1165 views | _sanctimoanious_ |
| Agendas on 23:10 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
I can't bring myself to laugh at it, I think it's having some sort of breakdown. |
Crikey, mocking mental health now! 👠|  | | |
| Agendas on 02:51 - Nov 1 with 1143 views | wkj |
| Agendas on 22:08 - Oct 31 by Keaneish |
This forum has had some bad lows in the past and yesterday was one for me. After doing a 15-hour door-to-door round trip and chatting to good number of Argyle and Town fans, the conversation was upbeat, positive and looking forward despite the result. Plymouth fans acknowledging we deserved a point and Town fans recognising the same.
Cut to coming on here and there’s folk who live at the other end of the country who never, if rarely go to games either calling for Cook to go or giving him 4 games! It’s so out of kilter with what’s actually going on it’s absurd. Then there’s the data warriors, the MM rear guard, those loyal to anything and anyone trying to find a scraps to make a case for a defeat without even watching highlights!
Think I’ve said enough on the subject. I’ll be at Adams Park as will others. Many will be on iFollow but if we lose this forum will be toxic. TWTD is getting a bad name for itself now and in my opinion, it’s the usual folk policing it that make it this way. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 22:09]
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In fairness, some of what you described was nipped in the bud yesterday - though I can't see TWTD as toxic, surely. I thought there was a mix of overboard and conciliatory discussion yesterday.
While you may be right, a fair few of us dont/can't attend games regularly - I wouldn't think of many people as any less a supporter. |  |
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| Agendas on 06:27 - Nov 1 with 1103 views | chicoazul |
| Agendas on 15:52 - Oct 31 by Nthsuffolkblue |
We need patience but we also need to show patience in the right man.
I hope it is Cook. One thing I love about this club is that we do tend to give managers more of a chance than the majority of clubs. It helps if we get the initial appointment right in the first place.
I am still uncertain on Cook. He needs to be given longer but he certainly hasn't entirely convinced me yet. |
Every time we change the manager it gets worse. We have to stick with Cook, he has a proven track record of success and has attracted some excellent players. Yes this weekend was a disappointment but it was a scratch team and had we taken some chances it would have worked. I’m confident we will resume our good form tomorrow. |  |
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| Agendas on 06:29 - Nov 1 with 1103 views | Keaneish |
This post just serves to prove the point. |  |
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| Agendas on 06:33 - Nov 1 with 1098 views | Keaneish |
| Agendas on 02:51 - Nov 1 by wkj |
In fairness, some of what you described was nipped in the bud yesterday - though I can't see TWTD as toxic, surely. I thought there was a mix of overboard and conciliatory discussion yesterday.
While you may be right, a fair few of us dont/can't attend games regularly - I wouldn't think of many people as any less a supporter. |
Agreed and neither do I. However, there’s insight and perspective and different levels to it based on whatever median you choose to follow Town. It stands to reason that those travelling to games and meeting fans on both sides cross country have a wider sense of the general sentiment compare to those who follow through the BBC app at home.
Plenty have turned their nose up or sniggered at TWTD on recent trips. This isn’t the sanctuary of ‘die hard’ fans it has been assumed to be in the past, well, certainly on my part at least. | |
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| Agendas on 07:20 - Nov 1 with 1056 views | Herbivore |
| Agendas on 06:33 - Nov 1 by Keaneish |
Agreed and neither do I. However, there’s insight and perspective and different levels to it based on whatever median you choose to follow Town. It stands to reason that those travelling to games and meeting fans on both sides cross country have a wider sense of the general sentiment compare to those who follow through the BBC app at home.
Plenty have turned their nose up or sniggered at TWTD on recent trips. This isn’t the sanctuary of ‘die hard’ fans it has been assumed to be in the past, well, certainly on my part at least. |
You can always leave if you don't like TWTD, mate. | |
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| Agendas on 07:23 - Nov 1 with 1062 views | bobbyramsey |
I think you've selected the wrong article. Ashton mentions a "promotion push" but there is nothing about guaranteed promotion by November 1st.
LOLZ [Post edited 1 Nov 2021 7:24]
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| Agendas on 07:28 - Nov 1 with 1043 views | Herbivore |
| Agendas on 07:23 - Nov 1 by bobbyramsey |
I think you've selected the wrong article. Ashton mentions a "promotion push" but there is nothing about guaranteed promotion by November 1st.
LOLZ [Post edited 1 Nov 2021 7:24]
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He also says we'll have a smaller squad and one capable of winning games come August, that turned out well. | |
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| Agendas on 07:43 - Nov 1 with 1042 views | portmanking |
| Agendas on 07:23 - Nov 1 by bobbyramsey |
I think you've selected the wrong article. Ashton mentions a "promotion push" but there is nothing about guaranteed promotion by November 1st.
LOLZ [Post edited 1 Nov 2021 7:24]
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Quite right. No-one has made any guarantees about promotion this season. Nor indeed has anyone from the new ownership group. It's the demographic that are microanalysing every flaw in the squad (whilst overlooking the many positives) that's heightening the pressure and sapping every last drop of enthusiasm from those keen to see the club build something sustainable from the ground up again. This club has never been a big-time charlie, nor has it ever been one that's had success come easy. Why should it be the case now?
This is meant to be a new era, a new approach. Let it breathe. |  | | |
| Agendas on 07:50 - Nov 1 with 1033 views | bobbyramsey |
| Agendas on 07:28 - Nov 1 by Herbivore |
He also says we'll have a smaller squad and one capable of winning games come August, that turned out well. |
We have got a smaller squad...
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| Agendas on 07:55 - Nov 1 with 1024 views | bobbyramsey |
| Agendas on 07:43 - Nov 1 by portmanking |
Quite right. No-one has made any guarantees about promotion this season. Nor indeed has anyone from the new ownership group. It's the demographic that are microanalysing every flaw in the squad (whilst overlooking the many positives) that's heightening the pressure and sapping every last drop of enthusiasm from those keen to see the club build something sustainable from the ground up again. This club has never been a big-time charlie, nor has it ever been one that's had success come easy. Why should it be the case now?
This is meant to be a new era, a new approach. Let it breathe. |
Exactly, Johnson said only last week that promotion may not happen this season.
Why some people just blatantly choose to ignore that fact is beyond perception. | | | |
| Agendas on 07:57 - Nov 1 with 1013 views | Herbivore |
| Agendas on 07:43 - Nov 1 by portmanking |
Quite right. No-one has made any guarantees about promotion this season. Nor indeed has anyone from the new ownership group. It's the demographic that are microanalysing every flaw in the squad (whilst overlooking the many positives) that's heightening the pressure and sapping every last drop of enthusiasm from those keen to see the club build something sustainable from the ground up again. This club has never been a big-time charlie, nor has it ever been one that's had success come easy. Why should it be the case now?
This is meant to be a new era, a new approach. Let it breathe. |
We're in the third division, ffs. The long term aim is to compete to get back into the Prem, not to compete for a play off place in the third tier. | |
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| Agendas on 07:58 - Nov 1 with 1021 views | solemio |
Don't forget, early(ish) on lots of fans wanted that manager we used to have sacked. What was his name? Robby Bobson or something like that.
Not that I'm suggesting... | | | |
| Agendas on 08:00 - Nov 1 with 1008 views | Herbivore |
| Agendas on 07:55 - Nov 1 by bobbyramsey |
Exactly, Johnson said only last week that promotion may not happen this season.
Why some people just blatantly choose to ignore that fact is beyond perception. |
The fact it might not happen doesn't mean that us not getting promoted is acceptable and that promotion isn't the target. With the investment that's been made a failure to go up this season will be seen as a setback. | |
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| Agendas on 08:03 - Nov 1 with 1008 views | portmanking |
| Agendas on 07:57 - Nov 1 by Herbivore |
We're in the third division, ffs. The long term aim is to compete to get back into the Prem, not to compete for a play off place in the third tier. |
The more you disrespect this league and fail to accept we are where we are, the harder it will be to get on board with this project. We deserve to be here. We've played 2 seasons in the Prem in the last two decades. Made one Championship playoff in the last 15 years. We have zero divine right to get to where we ALL want to be.
There's half a dozen clubs our size battling to get up this year and several much smaller that continue to punch above their weight. It's not an easy task. This league has got harder in the three years we've been here too, as Championship quality trickles down.
It doesn't require people fans sitting, arms crossed, waiting for us to fail. It requires supporters to see the bigger picture. The rebuild of our off-field infrastructure; the investments in good players with long-term contracts and solid resale value; the numerous on-field positives that are starting to show on a more consistent basis. Ashton described this project as turning the Titanic. Does that sound like the words of a man who thought we'd be world beaters overnight? | | | |
| Agendas on 08:10 - Nov 1 with 986 views | Herbivore |
| Agendas on 08:03 - Nov 1 by portmanking |
The more you disrespect this league and fail to accept we are where we are, the harder it will be to get on board with this project. We deserve to be here. We've played 2 seasons in the Prem in the last two decades. Made one Championship playoff in the last 15 years. We have zero divine right to get to where we ALL want to be.
There's half a dozen clubs our size battling to get up this year and several much smaller that continue to punch above their weight. It's not an easy task. This league has got harder in the three years we've been here too, as Championship quality trickles down.
It doesn't require people fans sitting, arms crossed, waiting for us to fail. It requires supporters to see the bigger picture. The rebuild of our off-field infrastructure; the investments in good players with long-term contracts and solid resale value; the numerous on-field positives that are starting to show on a more consistent basis. Ashton described this project as turning the Titanic. Does that sound like the words of a man who thought we'd be world beaters overnight? |
Nobody is saying we should be world beaters overnight. There's a massive difference between being capable of competing at the top end of League 1 and being world beaters. Perhaps you are content for us to bob along at this level for another couple of years, but not everyone is. Performances and results so far under Cook haven't been good enough. I really hope we have a good November to push us up into the mix because if we don't and if we continue being unable to beat the top sides then this season is unlikely to pan out well and his job will rightly be under threat. None of us want that, so let's hope we get some results in the coming weeks. | |
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| Agendas on 08:19 - Nov 1 with 955 views | itfcjoe |
| Agendas on 08:03 - Nov 1 by portmanking |
The more you disrespect this league and fail to accept we are where we are, the harder it will be to get on board with this project. We deserve to be here. We've played 2 seasons in the Prem in the last two decades. Made one Championship playoff in the last 15 years. We have zero divine right to get to where we ALL want to be.
There's half a dozen clubs our size battling to get up this year and several much smaller that continue to punch above their weight. It's not an easy task. This league has got harder in the three years we've been here too, as Championship quality trickles down.
It doesn't require people fans sitting, arms crossed, waiting for us to fail. It requires supporters to see the bigger picture. The rebuild of our off-field infrastructure; the investments in good players with long-term contracts and solid resale value; the numerous on-field positives that are starting to show on a more consistent basis. Ashton described this project as turning the Titanic. Does that sound like the words of a man who thought we'd be world beaters overnight? |
I just don't see that we have made solid investments with solid resale value - we've recruited to achieve success right now - and that includes the big loan signings which will be costing a pretty penny.
Only 3 of our signings are 23 and under (Edwards, Harper and Penney) and realistically clubs in the 2nd and 3rd tier don't get decent fees for players over that age. There were only 37 deals involving a fee from Championship clubs this summer and bar the parachute clubs it is young players in the main. Only 4 players left the Championship to the PL for a fee over £3m.
You don't go out and sign Sam Morsy, Bersant Celina and Christian Walton on deadline day - with the latter 2 as loanees if the squad is being set up for promotion this season. The longer team infrastructure and odd field work will be going on in the background, and continue to do so - but this squad should be in that pack at the top of the league, not floundering 10 points away from it. [Post edited 1 Nov 2021 8:22]
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| Agendas on 08:20 - Nov 1 with 948 views | itfcjoe |
| Agendas on 06:33 - Nov 1 by Keaneish |
Agreed and neither do I. However, there’s insight and perspective and different levels to it based on whatever median you choose to follow Town. It stands to reason that those travelling to games and meeting fans on both sides cross country have a wider sense of the general sentiment compare to those who follow through the BBC app at home.
Plenty have turned their nose up or sniggered at TWTD on recent trips. This isn’t the sanctuary of ‘die hard’ fans it has been assumed to be in the past, well, certainly on my part at least. |
You've been to a couple of away games in the last few weeks and now think have finger totally on the pulse - our away fans have always been more loyal and hopeful than the home fans, and no doubt always will be. But you'll get a much greater feel for things amongst the natives at Portman Road. | |
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| Agendas on 08:27 - Nov 1 with 917 views | blueysbackside |
| Agendas on 07:20 - Nov 1 by Herbivore |
You can always leave if you don't like TWTD, mate. |
What a miserable attitude you have. | | | |
| Agendas on 08:30 - Nov 1 with 897 views | Herbivore |
| Agendas on 08:27 - Nov 1 by blueysbackside |
What a miserable attitude you have. |
Cheers! | |
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| Agendas on 08:41 - Nov 1 with 862 views | portmanking |
| Agendas on 08:19 - Nov 1 by itfcjoe |
I just don't see that we have made solid investments with solid resale value - we've recruited to achieve success right now - and that includes the big loan signings which will be costing a pretty penny.
Only 3 of our signings are 23 and under (Edwards, Harper and Penney) and realistically clubs in the 2nd and 3rd tier don't get decent fees for players over that age. There were only 37 deals involving a fee from Championship clubs this summer and bar the parachute clubs it is young players in the main. Only 4 players left the Championship to the PL for a fee over £3m.
You don't go out and sign Sam Morsy, Bersant Celina and Christian Walton on deadline day - with the latter 2 as loanees if the squad is being set up for promotion this season. The longer team infrastructure and odd field work will be going on in the background, and continue to do so - but this squad should be in that pack at the top of the league, not floundering 10 points away from it. [Post edited 1 Nov 2021 8:22]
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At least a third of our starting XI has resale value. Surely Edmundson does too? Pigott too if he went on a similar vein of form to Bonne? I'm adamant that Celina was an Ashton signing rather than a Cook signing BTW. But as for Morsy and Walton, these players didn't become available until deadline day, suspensions and fitness meant they couldn't slot straight in and make a difference. Granted, Cook's got some of his trusted foot soldiers in the team to augment the squad, but what other manager wouldn't do the same?
It was always going to take time. Floundering seems unnecessarily harsh given our form since Lincoln, which also marries with the likes of Morsy and Walton bedding in. | | | |
| Agendas on 08:42 - Nov 1 with 858 views | bobbyramsey |
| Agendas on 08:00 - Nov 1 by Herbivore |
The fact it might not happen doesn't mean that us not getting promoted is acceptable and that promotion isn't the target. With the investment that's been made a failure to go up this season will be seen as a setback. |
It may not be acceptable to you but it's clearly acceptable to those who actually matter..... | | | |
| Agendas on 08:44 - Nov 1 with 841 views | Herbivore |
| Agendas on 08:42 - Nov 1 by bobbyramsey |
It may not be acceptable to you but it's clearly acceptable to those who actually matter..... |
Okay mate, if that's what you want to believe. | |
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| Agendas on 08:45 - Nov 1 with 846 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Wrong in every respect.
Town fans generally want a little bit of something local and praiseworthy to follow - and the occasional success to celebrate.
A cabal of debt-laden chancers fronted by a spiv in an open necked shirt, a management staff of Wigan and Bristol City rejects select plus the odd criminal record, an entire team of mercenaries with not one of any of them here this time last year - and all financed by borrowed money being managed in Ohio is frankly a US franchise - and not a very good one. | |
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