| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory 10:37 - Nov 19 with 12634 views | giant_stow |
in feb next year. Not sure how I feel about that personally... extreme persuasion would probably have been better. |  |
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| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 22:19 - Nov 19 with 1082 views | m14_blue |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 20:50 - Nov 19 by Lightworker |
I'm not disputing the protection against hospitalisation and deaths, that is precisely why I took the vaccine in the first place, but when we are talking about vaccine mandates and sacking health workers etc. the key aspect has to be how well they prevent transmission.
This is where the draconian measures that are creeping in around Europe are not in any way justified by the science or the data. |
I’m not sure that is the key thing though.
The whole point of lockdowns, expressly explained at the time, was to prevent health systems from becoming overwhelmed.
Regardless of transmissibility, it isn’t vaccinated people who will be overwhelming health services.
I don’t know what the answer is, and suspect Austria don’t have it right, but I do know I’d be extremely p1ssed off if my daughter was hit by a car tomorrow and was unable to get a hospital bed because they were full of people who had refused a vaccine because they’d fallen for misinformation campaigns on social media. |  | | |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 22:52 - Nov 19 with 1040 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 21:16 - Nov 19 by Vic |
Mine is up on the 7th Dec, but thought we had to wait for a text or email before we book. Or is it different in Scotland? |
They started advertising that you can book a booster. So I called today and was told that it had to be at least six months after my sending dose so they gave me the 8 December.
Would have gone today had they offered it. [Post edited 19 Nov 2021 22:52]
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| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 03:29 - Nov 20 with 949 views | WeWereZombies |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 21:16 - Nov 19 by Vic |
Mine is up on the 7th Dec, but thought we had to wait for a text or email before we book. Or is it different in Scotland? |
I was still mulling over finding out the online details for booking a booster when a letter dropped through the letterbox from NHS Scotland giving the time and place to go for one...and a booster as well, it's amazing what you get on the NHS up here... |  |
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| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 08:48 - Nov 20 with 870 views | StokieBlue |
I guess this can go in this thread given it's about restricting the unvaccinated.
Anti-vax covid king Djokovic isn't going to be happy:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59356156
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| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 09:49 - Nov 20 with 827 views | Lightworker |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 22:19 - Nov 19 by m14_blue |
I’m not sure that is the key thing though.
The whole point of lockdowns, expressly explained at the time, was to prevent health systems from becoming overwhelmed.
Regardless of transmissibility, it isn’t vaccinated people who will be overwhelming health services.
I don’t know what the answer is, and suspect Austria don’t have it right, but I do know I’d be extremely p1ssed off if my daughter was hit by a car tomorrow and was unable to get a hospital bed because they were full of people who had refused a vaccine because they’d fallen for misinformation campaigns on social media. |
We are not really talking about general lockdowns on this thread though. Transmission and spread of the virus is absolutely a key factor if we are looking at the merits of vaccine mandates and the restriction of unvaccinated people.
Regarding your last paragraph, do you have any examples of this actually happening to anybody? and would you also apply the same critique to people taking up hospital beds as a result of illness caused by unhealthy living? |  | | |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 10:20 - Nov 20 with 807 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 09:49 - Nov 20 by Lightworker |
We are not really talking about general lockdowns on this thread though. Transmission and spread of the virus is absolutely a key factor if we are looking at the merits of vaccine mandates and the restriction of unvaccinated people.
Regarding your last paragraph, do you have any examples of this actually happening to anybody? and would you also apply the same critique to people taking up hospital beds as a result of illness caused by unhealthy living? |
Cracking whatabouterry there. "Unhealthy living" is rather vague compared deciding to get a vaccine or not. |  |
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| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 10:27 - Nov 20 with 799 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 19:34 - Nov 19 by Lightworker |
I am aware of that which is why I didn't make any definite claims and used the word probably ( which was actually a typo and should have been probable! ).
That being said we know that there have been confirmed vaccine deaths such as Lisa Shaw, so it is not unreasonable to assume that of 1700 odd deaths reported soon after vaccination, that at least some of them are likely to have been vaccine related.
If you investigate the UK Column site further you will find a well researched article that questions how thorough ( or not ) the MHRA are when it comes to investigating the reported vaccine deaths. It is of course easy to say there is no link when no proper investigation is taking place.
To acknowledge your point though I have modified my comment to "Not all of these deaths are confirmed as being caused by the vaccine but it is reasonable to assume that a proportion of them are." |
More people die by drowning in the bath than are killed by sharks and terrorists combined, but that doesn't make people steer clear of bathtime.
The risk from vaccination is tiny and the threat from the virus far outweighs it. | |
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| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 10:45 - Nov 20 with 771 views | m14_blue |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 09:49 - Nov 20 by Lightworker |
We are not really talking about general lockdowns on this thread though. Transmission and spread of the virus is absolutely a key factor if we are looking at the merits of vaccine mandates and the restriction of unvaccinated people.
Regarding your last paragraph, do you have any examples of this actually happening to anybody? and would you also apply the same critique to people taking up hospital beds as a result of illness caused by unhealthy living? |
I don’t really understand the distinction you draw between ‘general lockdowns’ and other restrictions.
Nope, not at all - I’ve no idea if it’s even ever happened. But that’s what all the measures are aimed at avoiding though surely?
Anyway, I agree with you over the Austrian approach, I just think the whole ‘it doesn’t stop transmission’ isn’t quite the definitive argument against additional measures for the unvaccinated that it’s presented as | | | |
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| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 11:06 - Nov 20 with 754 views | Lightworker |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 10:45 - Nov 20 by m14_blue |
I don’t really understand the distinction you draw between ‘general lockdowns’ and other restrictions.
Nope, not at all - I’ve no idea if it’s even ever happened. But that’s what all the measures are aimed at avoiding though surely?
Anyway, I agree with you over the Austrian approach, I just think the whole ‘it doesn’t stop transmission’ isn’t quite the definitive argument against additional measures for the unvaccinated that it’s presented as |
The thread was about compulsory jabs in Austria, you introduced lockdowns to the debate which I do not really think are relevant unless they are specifically targeting the unvaccinated.
There are currently more cases in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated and we know that the vaccinated can still spread the virus. To my mind that makes measures specifically targeted at the unvaxxed unnecessary and discriminatory. Any risk they take by not choosing to be vaxxed is primarily to themselves, not other people.
Are you suggesting we should lockdown the unvaxxed population to protect them from themselves and to protect the NHS? If so, then I completely disagree. People make all sorts of decisions that could result in them being sick and ending up in hospital. Should we ban alcohol and cigarettes to protect the NHS? Should we ban overweight people from eating cakes? [Post edited 20 Nov 2021 11:14]
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| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 11:09 - Nov 20 with 752 views | Lightworker |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 10:27 - Nov 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
More people die by drowning in the bath than are killed by sharks and terrorists combined, but that doesn't make people steer clear of bathtime.
The risk from vaccination is tiny and the threat from the virus far outweighs it. |
Which I acknowledged on this thread. The point I am making is that if there is a risk, then there should be a choice. | | | |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 11:13 - Nov 20 with 736 views | Lightworker |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 10:20 - Nov 20 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Cracking whatabouterry there. "Unhealthy living" is rather vague compared deciding to get a vaccine or not. |
Not really, healthy living and obesity directly relates to your risk of being seriously ill with covid if you get it, so I would say it is pretty relevant. | | | |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 11:16 - Nov 20 with 729 views | m14_blue |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 11:06 - Nov 20 by Lightworker |
The thread was about compulsory jabs in Austria, you introduced lockdowns to the debate which I do not really think are relevant unless they are specifically targeting the unvaccinated.
There are currently more cases in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated and we know that the vaccinated can still spread the virus. To my mind that makes measures specifically targeted at the unvaxxed unnecessary and discriminatory. Any risk they take by not choosing to be vaxxed is primarily to themselves, not other people.
Are you suggesting we should lockdown the unvaxxed population to protect them from themselves and to protect the NHS? If so, then I completely disagree. People make all sorts of decisions that could result in them being sick and ending up in hospital. Should we ban alcohol and cigarettes to protect the NHS? Should we ban overweight people from eating cakes? [Post edited 20 Nov 2021 11:14]
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I think your last paragraph is the perfect example of reductio ad absurdum.
No, I don’t think that should happen but, after all, we were all locked down for that exact reason last year so it’s hardly surprising that some people are considering it as an option now. | | | |
| [Redacted] on 11:46 - Nov 20 with 684 views | victorywilhappen |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 11:13 - Nov 20 by Lightworker |
Not really, healthy living and obesity directly relates to your risk of being seriously ill with covid if you get it, so I would say it is pretty relevant. |
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| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 12:10 - Nov 20 with 648 views | Lightworker |
Person who cheers on police brutality and a two tier society accuses others of a lack of empathy. Priceless.
Of course anybody with half a brain would be able to see that I am not suggesting that we discriminate against the obese or anybody else for that matter, in fact quite the opposite.
As usual you completely miss the point and come out with your usual inane drivel in response. There are many interesting posters on this board that I enjoy engaging with and feel I can learn something from, sadly you are not one of them. You are the first entry on my div list. Congratulations. | | | |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 12:26 - Nov 20 with 617 views | pointofblue |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 08:48 - Nov 20 by StokieBlue |
I guess this can go in this thread given it's about restricting the unvaccinated.
Anti-vax covid king Djokovic isn't going to be happy:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/59356156
SB |
Interestingly his argument has been changed to “I don’t want to reveal my vaccine status”. I wonder if he has been jabbed but doesn’t want his acolytes to know? | |
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| [Redacted] on 12:28 - Nov 20 with 610 views | victorywilhappen |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 12:10 - Nov 20 by Lightworker |
Person who cheers on police brutality and a two tier society accuses others of a lack of empathy. Priceless.
Of course anybody with half a brain would be able to see that I am not suggesting that we discriminate against the obese or anybody else for that matter, in fact quite the opposite.
As usual you completely miss the point and come out with your usual inane drivel in response. There are many interesting posters on this board that I enjoy engaging with and feel I can learn something from, sadly you are not one of them. You are the first entry on my div list. Congratulations. |
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| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 12:31 - Nov 20 with 599 views | lowhouseblue |
i woke up this morning with the radio playing and i was convinced the news reader said that austria was going to make jazz compulsory. it seemed reasonable. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| [Redacted] on 12:31 - Nov 20 with 596 views | victorywilhappen |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 11:09 - Nov 20 by Lightworker |
Which I acknowledged on this thread. The point I am making is that if there is a risk, then there should be a choice. |
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| [Redacted] on 17:47 - Nov 20 with 467 views | victorywilhappen |
| Austria is going to make having both jabs compulsory on 12:10 - Nov 20 by Lightworker |
Person who cheers on police brutality and a two tier society accuses others of a lack of empathy. Priceless.
Of course anybody with half a brain would be able to see that I am not suggesting that we discriminate against the obese or anybody else for that matter, in fact quite the opposite.
As usual you completely miss the point and come out with your usual inane drivel in response. There are many interesting posters on this board that I enjoy engaging with and feel I can learn something from, sadly you are not one of them. You are the first entry on my div list. Congratulations. |
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