| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go 11:06 - Nov 21 with 13128 views | N2_Blue |
Signing a player like Chaplin and having him only play cameos in a side that has only one 6 games league games is criminal.
To be worse off at the same stage as last season with this squad is not good enough.
This isn't just on the back of Sunderland defeat which we didn't deserve but as a season overall it is so far short of where we need to be.
Again Cook failed in a game to change us to get a positive result. People say things have been getting better - 2 defeats in 15 before yesterday - but we don't string wins together and even the goals have completely dried up now.
It's just not good enough. Managers probably don't get enough time these days but stick with the wrong manager too long at a time we have our best chance ever of becoming upwardly mobile again could be disastrous. We cannot afford to be a mid league side and that's all we appear to be under Cook. The lack of consistency is alarming.
Fail to beat Rotherham on Tuesday and i think a significant proportion of the fan base will start to move towards Cook out just as we run in PackoutPR campaign of games.
Season is dangerously close to completely unravelling.
The last two months has done nothing for Town after the bad start, we are actually further away from the top, not closer! Very worrying. |  |
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| When Cook took over..... on 12:00 - Nov 22 with 736 views | Herbivore |
| When Cook took over..... on 11:57 - Nov 22 by positivity |
wycombe and wigan haven't changed their manager and complete structure though, (not sure who you mean when you say hull)
your example of blackpool started poorly last season |
We didn't get a new manager in the summer either, and Wigan like ourselves have new owners, and Richardson only got the job permanently in April having been caretaker for 5 months or so. Our situation really isn't so different, it just feels like more excuses.
And Blackpool did start poorly but had more points than we do after 18 games and had already started putting a sustained good run together. |  |
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| When Cook took over..... on 12:02 - Nov 22 with 725 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| When Cook took over..... on 11:57 - Nov 22 by positivity |
wycombe and wigan haven't changed their manager and complete structure though, (not sure who you mean when you say hull)
your example of blackpool started poorly last season |
Sorry, that was a typo - I meant Sunderland (now edited)
We haven’t changed our manager either |  |
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| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 12:02 - Nov 22 with 718 views | positivity |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 11:58 - Nov 22 by Herbivore |
We're 19th in terms of xG for according to this: https://footystats.org/england/efl-league-one/xg
That doesn't really tally with the narrative that we're playing great football, creating chances, and just not taking them. We've scored way more than would be expected based on our attacking play.
I didn't realise Felixstowe and Walton or Man City were in League 1, guessing we've not played them yet. |
and we're 4th in terms of best defence, which also goes against the prevailing narrative that our defence is the weak link! what's our current xPts?
according to some on here, we'll be playing felixstowe in a couple of years if we keep cook! but you're fully aware that was hyperbole to make the point, substitute rotherham and donny if you prefer, the point remains the same |  |
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| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:05 - Nov 22 with 708 views | Darth_Koont |
| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 11:44 - Nov 22 by Herbivore |
Although I think evidence of that ongoing improvement is somewhat limited personally, given our form has actually dipped slightly of late. And if we're pointing at a 2-0 defeat at a badly out of form Sunderland as evidence of improvement then that rather smacks of desperation. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 11:51]
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It was an anomalous result but a continuation of better performances away from home.
If we’d won at Sunderland, which we should have, that also wouldn’t mean that everything was fine and the play-offs were in the bag either.
But it’s undeniable that the team has gradually got better and been generally having better performances and results. That’s got to continue of course so that it translates into a run of consistently good results. Without a really good run to at least counter our poor start we’ll always be lagging behind or at least gaining far too slowly. |  |
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| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 12:09 - Nov 22 with 686 views | Herbivore |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 12:02 - Nov 22 by positivity |
and we're 4th in terms of best defence, which also goes against the prevailing narrative that our defence is the weak link! what's our current xPts?
according to some on here, we'll be playing felixstowe in a couple of years if we keep cook! but you're fully aware that was hyperbole to make the point, substitute rotherham and donny if you prefer, the point remains the same |
So average out 4th best defence and 6th worst attack and you end up with a team smack bang in the middle, which is precisely what we are at the moment. Not sure how that fits with the narrative that actually things are loads better and we need to give it time though. | |
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| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:12 - Nov 22 with 669 views | Radlett_blue |
| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:05 - Nov 22 by Darth_Koont |
It was an anomalous result but a continuation of better performances away from home.
If we’d won at Sunderland, which we should have, that also wouldn’t mean that everything was fine and the play-offs were in the bag either.
But it’s undeniable that the team has gradually got better and been generally having better performances and results. That’s got to continue of course so that it translates into a run of consistently good results. Without a really good run to at least counter our poor start we’ll always be lagging behind or at least gaining far too slowly. |
100% agree. Madness to ditch Cook now. However, if Town don't make the play-offs, this season will rightly be considered a failure & Cook will be in trouble. It will be interesting if the owners give Cook money to strengthen the team in January. Given the size of the squad, it has to involve only players ready to start regularly. |  |
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| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:16 - Nov 22 with 656 views | Herbivore |
| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:12 - Nov 22 by Radlett_blue |
100% agree. Madness to ditch Cook now. However, if Town don't make the play-offs, this season will rightly be considered a failure & Cook will be in trouble. It will be interesting if the owners give Cook money to strengthen the team in January. Given the size of the squad, it has to involve only players ready to start regularly. |
Doing any further business in January will be contingent on shipping a few players out I imagine. I'd be very surprised if we're not right at the limit of what we're allowed to spend on wages. | |
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| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:20 - Nov 22 with 637 views | Radlett_blue |
| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:16 - Nov 22 by Herbivore |
Doing any further business in January will be contingent on shipping a few players out I imagine. I'd be very surprised if we're not right at the limit of what we're allowed to spend on wages. |
Several prime candidates - Norwood, Jackson, Holy or Hladky (unless Walton is recalled), Barry , Nolan. If Norwood & Jackson go, we would need a new back up striker - or 2 if Bonne is recalled. | |
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| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:23 - Nov 22 with 627 views | Herbivore |
| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:20 - Nov 22 by Radlett_blue |
Several prime candidates - Norwood, Jackson, Holy or Hladky (unless Walton is recalled), Barry , Nolan. If Norwood & Jackson go, we would need a new back up striker - or 2 if Bonne is recalled. |
It will depend on whether anyone is willing to take those players off our hands of course, I think a couple of them we might have to pay off if we need their wages off the books. | |
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| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:25 - Nov 22 with 626 views | Darth_Koont |
| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:12 - Nov 22 by Radlett_blue |
100% agree. Madness to ditch Cook now. However, if Town don't make the play-offs, this season will rightly be considered a failure & Cook will be in trouble. It will be interesting if the owners give Cook money to strengthen the team in January. Given the size of the squad, it has to involve only players ready to start regularly. |
Yes, I agree with that. Failure to challenge for promotion would be a failure and it would also mean that Cook hasn’t got more out of the team than he’s getting at the moment.
Think in that scenario, his position would look very shaky.
I think an LB might be a priority in Jan given injuries and nobody really convincing in the role. It’s a bit of a weak link in our squad and team set-up at the moment so hopefully Clements, Penney or a Coulson that stays fit can really stake a claim. I think Burgess was as good as anybody but that shouldn’t be the solution either if that leaves us short at CB. | |
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| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:28 - Nov 22 with 609 views | Radlett_blue |
| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:25 - Nov 22 by Darth_Koont |
Yes, I agree with that. Failure to challenge for promotion would be a failure and it would also mean that Cook hasn’t got more out of the team than he’s getting at the moment.
Think in that scenario, his position would look very shaky.
I think an LB might be a priority in Jan given injuries and nobody really convincing in the role. It’s a bit of a weak link in our squad and team set-up at the moment so hopefully Clements, Penney or a Coulson that stays fit can really stake a claim. I think Burgess was as good as anybody but that shouldn’t be the solution either if that leaves us short at CB. |
Again, a bit of an indictment that Cook has signed quite a few players who seem either surplus to requirements or not good enough. | |
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| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 12:28 - Nov 22 with 606 views | positivity |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 12:09 - Nov 22 by Herbivore |
So average out 4th best defence and 6th worst attack and you end up with a team smack bang in the middle, which is precisely what we are at the moment. Not sure how that fits with the narrative that actually things are loads better and we need to give it time though. |
that's where the trajectory question comes into it.
are the metrics improving or declining (obviously allowing for opposition)?
if we're slightly better than average overall now, then are we going from a base of brilliance and declining or a slow start and improving? | |
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| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 12:33 - Nov 22 with 593 views | Herbivore |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 12:28 - Nov 22 by positivity |
that's where the trajectory question comes into it.
are the metrics improving or declining (obviously allowing for opposition)?
if we're slightly better than average overall now, then are we going from a base of brilliance and declining or a slow start and improving? |
On xG for I think we've actually gone backwards. Sure we were a bit higher up earlier in the season. | |
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| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:35 - Nov 22 with 586 views | Darth_Koont |
| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 12:28 - Nov 22 by Radlett_blue |
Again, a bit of an indictment that Cook has signed quite a few players who seem either surplus to requirements or not good enough. |
I think Burgess will come good. And hopefully Penney too but probably clear that Coulson was the preferred LB and he’s just never been fit enough.
The Barry one is the strange one, but perhaps the understanding is that he’ll still benefit from being on the fringe and can be challenged to fight his way in. He’s only 18 but the Gillingham Trophy game showed he’s got oodles of quality. But also wouldn’t surprise me if he goes back in January too. | |
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| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 12:35 - Nov 22 with 583 views | jayessess |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 12:33 - Nov 22 by Herbivore |
On xG for I think we've actually gone backwards. Sure we were a bit higher up earlier in the season. |
We're 4th on Experimental361's expected points table
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| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 12:36 - Nov 22 with 576 views | timothyeo |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 12:09 - Nov 22 by Herbivore |
So average out 4th best defence and 6th worst attack and you end up with a team smack bang in the middle, which is precisely what we are at the moment. Not sure how that fits with the narrative that actually things are loads better and we need to give it time though. |
It's really concerning to me that, as seen here, if someone points out we have the 6th worst xPG in the league, someone comes back with "Yeah, but we're top 6 for defence!".
People should be far more discerning and simply say "Yes, that's not good enough for Ipswich in League One with this squad".
But that's not the mentality.
I've somewhat emotionally given up on the club but it's pleasing to see some posters who still have a bit of respect and ambition for what Ipswich should be. I'm also cautiously optimistic that our owners have a similar ambition and would sack Cook if we don't get promoted. | | | |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 13:50 - Nov 22 with 539 views | positivity |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 12:35 - Nov 22 by jayessess |
We're 4th on Experimental361's expected points table
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thanks, that's pretty good (though rotherham are even better than their league position would suggest, which is worrying!) | |
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| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 13:55 - Nov 22 with 523 views | positivity |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 12:36 - Nov 22 by timothyeo |
It's really concerning to me that, as seen here, if someone points out we have the 6th worst xPG in the league, someone comes back with "Yeah, but we're top 6 for defence!".
People should be far more discerning and simply say "Yes, that's not good enough for Ipswich in League One with this squad".
But that's not the mentality.
I've somewhat emotionally given up on the club but it's pleasing to see some posters who still have a bit of respect and ambition for what Ipswich should be. I'm also cautiously optimistic that our owners have a similar ambition and would sack Cook if we don't get promoted. |
don't be daft, having the mentality that we're too good for this league won't magic us out of it.
we all know that a decade or more of mismanagement has got us into this league.
we all know that we had a poor start with a whole new team (we can agree or disagree as to the extent of the inevitability of this!)
what we need to see is if there's improvements and a future to look forward to. it's pleasing to see some posters (and a lot of fans) are prepared to keep encouraging the team on to this. | |
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| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 14:01 - Nov 22 with 501 views | jayessess |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 13:50 - Nov 22 by positivity |
thanks, that's pretty good (though rotherham are even better than their league position would suggest, which is worrying!) |
Yes, I think it's pretty obvious they're the strongest team in the division and when everything shakes out they'll probably win this division. | |
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| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 22:49 - Nov 23 with 394 views | N2_Blue |
I said at the weekend a significant proportion of the fanbase would turn if we failed to beat Rotherham tonight.
Little did I think the performance would be as abject as it was.
I was glad to see Chaplin start but it made no sense playing 3 number 10's effectively.
Despite signing what I feel are good players for this level, no argument there from me, it has also made me see how unbalanced this squad is, another Cook failing. | |
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