| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go 11:06 - Nov 21 with 13115 views | N2_Blue |
Signing a player like Chaplin and having him only play cameos in a side that has only one 6 games league games is criminal.
To be worse off at the same stage as last season with this squad is not good enough.
This isn't just on the back of Sunderland defeat which we didn't deserve but as a season overall it is so far short of where we need to be.
Again Cook failed in a game to change us to get a positive result. People say things have been getting better - 2 defeats in 15 before yesterday - but we don't string wins together and even the goals have completely dried up now.
It's just not good enough. Managers probably don't get enough time these days but stick with the wrong manager too long at a time we have our best chance ever of becoming upwardly mobile again could be disastrous. We cannot afford to be a mid league side and that's all we appear to be under Cook. The lack of consistency is alarming.
Fail to beat Rotherham on Tuesday and i think a significant proportion of the fan base will start to move towards Cook out just as we run in PackoutPR campaign of games.
Season is dangerously close to completely unravelling.
The last two months has done nothing for Town after the bad start, we are actually further away from the top, not closer! Very worrying. |  |
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| You need to accept that people.... on 21:22 - Nov 21 with 1270 views | XYZ |
| You need to accept that people.... on 20:35 - Nov 21 by Bloots |
...are allowed to have a different opinion to you.
It's not "polarising" just because it's a different view to the one you hold.
All of you happy clappers are more than welcome to carry on, in exactly the same way as those of us who are more realistic and can look at the wider view.
Try and be more tolerant, it will make you a better person. |
"All of you happy clappers"
"It's not "polarising" just because it's a different view to the one you hold."
"Try and be more tolerant"
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| Clap, clap. (n/t) on 21:24 - Nov 21 with 1257 views | Keaneish |
| Clap, clap. (n/t) on 21:18 - Nov 21 by Bloots |
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Local salt of the earth type with limited banter and no football chat. Lucky me. |  |
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| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 21:44 - Nov 21 with 1230 views | DavoIPB |
Did anyone actually watch the game yesterday. Travesty that we lost it. Sunderland were awful. Celina just needed to take his chances and we would have coasted. Paul Cook did nothing wrong. Evans and Morsy outstanding in midfield.
Let's support ipswich. Enjoy the good football and if we get promotion so be it. It will either be this year or next year. | | | |
| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 22:26 - Nov 21 with 1168 views | unstableblue |
| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 21:44 - Nov 21 by DavoIPB |
Did anyone actually watch the game yesterday. Travesty that we lost it. Sunderland were awful. Celina just needed to take his chances and we would have coasted. Paul Cook did nothing wrong. Evans and Morsy outstanding in midfield.
Let's support ipswich. Enjoy the good football and if we get promotion so be it. It will either be this year or next year. |
I really don’t think many people on this board today were at Sunderland
No way you’d have this reaction if you’d actually watched how we played, no way |  |
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| You are correct..... on 22:31 - Nov 21 with 1153 views | Herbivore |
| You are correct..... on 19:58 - Nov 21 by positivity |
this team last year blackpool were "failing", so were brentford, so were man city, so were west ham.
did they sack their managers? were they wrong not to? |
Blackpool weren't expecting to go up last season. And they were better off than us points wise at this stage. And they'd already started stringing wins together. It's a bit desperate to keep clinging to the odd example of sides that have recovered from poor starts to go up, especially when those sides weren't doing as badly as we are at the same stage of the season. |  |
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| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 22:32 - Nov 21 with 1150 views | positivity |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 21:07 - Nov 21 by itfcjoe |
Even now, when you look at the table since the Bolton game we are 7th on points per game below Rotherham, Plymouth, Wycombe, Wigan, MK and Oxford. All of whom were already above us and have extended the gap between us and 6th
We were 9 points of the play offs having played the same amount of games as 6th after the Bolton game - we are now 10 points behind and they have 2 games in hand.
We’ve got 6 games left in 2021, even if we win them all we won’t be in the top 6 come New Year’s Day - we are miles off it |
"We’ve got 6 games left in 2021, even if we win them all we won’t be in the top 6 come New Year’s Day"
that's nonsense on many levels,
-there are 7 games left in 2021
-we win all 7 we're on 45 points
-for sunderland and mk dons to match this, they'd need to get 2 points a game, which is better than they've managed so far! they might do it, but to say they definitely will is rubbish!
-the playoffs aren't decided on new year's day anyway!
you're normally a much more nuanced poster than this, don't go all bluefish on us, it's beneath you... | |
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| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 22:32 - Nov 21 with 1150 views | rgp1 |
| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 22:26 - Nov 21 by unstableblue |
I really don’t think many people on this board today were at Sunderland
No way you’d have this reaction if you’d actually watched how we played, no way |
Unfortunately playing well and getting nothing has become an all too familiar for us this season. | | | |
| You are correct..... on 22:36 - Nov 21 with 1130 views | positivity |
| You are correct..... on 22:31 - Nov 21 by Herbivore |
Blackpool weren't expecting to go up last season. And they were better off than us points wise at this stage. And they'd already started stringing wins together. It's a bit desperate to keep clinging to the odd example of sides that have recovered from poor starts to go up, especially when those sides weren't doing as badly as we are at the same stage of the season. |
that's 4 examples, there are more!
just saying a manager doesn't fail in november of his first full season, a dozen games after his first transfer window.
sacking him now when the team are improving, performances are improving and the crowd and board back him is nonsensical!
do you think he should be sacked now? | |
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| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 22:45 - Nov 21 with 1109 views | Herbivore |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 20:46 - Nov 21 by Darth_Koont |
Where were we after 6 games? |
You are aware that Cook was also in charge for our first 6 games, right? | |
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| We have declined..... on 22:47 - Nov 21 with 1103 views | Herbivore |
| We have declined..... on 21:01 - Nov 21 by positivity |
nonsense, you can't reach a long term view less than a year after he took over, and a dozen games since his first transfer window closed!
we're improving, let's keep him until that improvement stops
the 'happy clappers' would have kept sir bobby robson in place, alex ferguson in place etc etc. the sad flouncers wouldn't! |
We've picked up fewer points in our last 6 games than we did in the 6 games prior to that. Does that count as the improvement stopping? | |
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| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 22:48 - Nov 21 with 1102 views | unstableblue |
| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 22:32 - Nov 21 by rgp1 |
Unfortunately playing well and getting nothing has become an all too familiar for us this season. |
I see it slightly differently I don’t think we deserved to win some of those marginal games where we bossed say 30mins or 45mins.. like Cheltenham away, or Burton away, or even Morecombe and Wimbledon at home
That feels like a different and much more inferior Town side
But yesterday we deserved to win hands down and we looked very strong
But look I get it’s a points business
I’d criticise Cook for an ability to maintain concentration and energy, for not yet settling on his best attacking three mids, for not flexing shape and system enough to open up teams
But criticism has got to be proportionate to the performance / it’s way off at the moment
But I think the fan base might be turning, and managerial/club fortunes can pivot on a moment and Celina s missed yesterday may have been one of those moments | |
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| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 22:51 - Nov 21 with 1093 views | positivity |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 22:45 - Nov 21 by Herbivore |
You are aware that Cook was also in charge for our first 6 games, right? |
the team was brand new or not there; maybe 3 of the average team for those 6 (evans, burns, edwards) would be first choice now.
the results and trajectory since then are a far better marker as to where we'll end up | |
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| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 22:53 - Nov 21 with 1090 views | Darth_Koont |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 22:45 - Nov 21 by Herbivore |
You are aware that Cook was also in charge for our first 6 games, right? |
Yes. And I’ll repeat what I said at the time: it wasn’t good enough.
But if that’s well and truly our bad spell then great. We’ve looked much better than that since – both performances and results.
What I will say is that we need to go on a run of our own. Teams ahead of us have had good runs and very few bad runs like ours. That’s why yesterday was particularly annoying – we outplayed Sunderland and let them off the hook when they should have been even deeper in a poor run of results. |  |
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| You are correct..... on 22:54 - Nov 21 with 1085 views | Herbivore |
| You are correct..... on 22:36 - Nov 21 by positivity |
that's 4 examples, there are more!
just saying a manager doesn't fail in november of his first full season, a dozen games after his first transfer window.
sacking him now when the team are improving, performances are improving and the crowd and board back him is nonsensical!
do you think he should be sacked now? |
I'd give him slightly longer but if we're this far adrift and still bumbling along in a 3-4 weeks I'd be very tempted to make a change before the January window. By any measure the results under Cook have been nowhere near good enough since he took charge. [Post edited 21 Nov 2021 23:01]
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| We have declined..... on 22:56 - Nov 21 with 1075 views | Darth_Koont |
| We have declined..... on 22:47 - Nov 21 by Herbivore |
We've picked up fewer points in our last 6 games than we did in the 6 games prior to that. Does that count as the improvement stopping? |
Difference being those have been tougher games against our rivals. Case in point - we got a draw at Cambridge after a good first half but we lost at Sunderland despite being on top pretty much throughout. | |
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| We have declined..... on 22:56 - Nov 21 with 1074 views | positivity |
| We have declined..... on 22:47 - Nov 21 by Herbivore |
We've picked up fewer points in our last 6 games than we did in the 6 games prior to that. Does that count as the improvement stopping? |
not yet 10 in 6 (inc 4 away games) cf with 11 in 6 (inc 3 away) isn't the kind of decline i'd look at as a sackable offence! maybe 15-20 games with more than a point, it might be...
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| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 22:58 - Nov 21 with 1068 views | rgp1 |
| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 22:48 - Nov 21 by unstableblue |
I see it slightly differently I don’t think we deserved to win some of those marginal games where we bossed say 30mins or 45mins.. like Cheltenham away, or Burton away, or even Morecombe and Wimbledon at home
That feels like a different and much more inferior Town side
But yesterday we deserved to win hands down and we looked very strong
But look I get it’s a points business
I’d criticise Cook for an ability to maintain concentration and energy, for not yet settling on his best attacking three mids, for not flexing shape and system enough to open up teams
But criticism has got to be proportionate to the performance / it’s way off at the moment
But I think the fan base might be turning, and managerial/club fortunes can pivot on a moment and Celina s missed yesterday may have been one of those moments |
That's a fair assessment, obviously in game management has been mentioned many times. | | | |
| You are correct..... on 22:58 - Nov 21 with 1067 views | positivity |
| You are correct..... on 22:54 - Nov 21 by Herbivore |
I'd give him slightly longer but if we're this far adrift and still bumbling along in a 3-4 weeks I'd be very tempted to make a change before the January window. By any measure the results under Cook have been nowhere near good enough since he took charge. [Post edited 21 Nov 2021 23:01]
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so we both disagree with the op on that at least! | |
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| We have declined..... on 23:10 - Nov 21 with 1051 views | Herbivore |
| We have declined..... on 22:56 - Nov 21 by Darth_Koont |
Difference being those have been tougher games against our rivals. Case in point - we got a draw at Cambridge after a good first half but we lost at Sunderland despite being on top pretty much throughout. |
Are we now allowed to take account of the standard of the opposition when assessing our results? I lose track. In our improved run when it was pointed out that we'd beaten sides that were either doing terribly overall or were in awful form it got shouted down. Our run of 11 points from 6 games prior to the most recent run of 6 games included games against 5 sides residing in the bottom half, including two home games against sides who had a combined away record of won 0, drawn 1, and lost 11. And the form we showed in that kind run of games sustained over the rest of the season would be touch and go for scraping 6th place at best. We need a big upturn very quickly to salvage the season, that includes taking 6 points from our back to back home games this week. | |
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| You are correct..... on 23:12 - Nov 21 with 1049 views | Darth_Koont |
| You are correct..... on 22:54 - Nov 21 by Herbivore |
I'd give him slightly longer but if we're this far adrift and still bumbling along in a 3-4 weeks I'd be very tempted to make a change before the January window. By any measure the results under Cook have been nowhere near good enough since he took charge. [Post edited 21 Nov 2021 23:01]
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“Since he took charge” an awful lot has happened. And “since he took charge” we have at least got better.
It’s whether we continue to get better and then maintain a certain level that’s going to decide his future. We’re not far off that now – as the recent games against Plymouth, Wycombe, Oxford and Sunderland have shown where we have been worth more than 4 points and probably should have had 8 without too much trouble.
We’ve not been competing like this against the top sides at any other time since we’ve been in League One. So “since he took charge” is a lot better on that score. | |
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| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 23:12 - Nov 21 with 1050 views | unstableblue |
| Unfortunately for me Cook has to go on 22:58 - Nov 21 by rgp1 |
That's a fair assessment, obviously in game management has been mentioned many times. |
Now that is something again that has massively improved we had no in game management
We’d be giving cheap and silly fouls in dangerous areas all game a few months back
I think I counted one on Saturday
The corner was a good defensive block when we’d got stretched on a rare occasion, the defence was already set again
Walton just went AWOL
Again there’s been improvement across the team - it’s either visible to some or not happening quick enough, which I do understand | |
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| We have declined..... on 23:14 - Nov 21 with 1045 views | Darth_Koont |
| We have declined..... on 23:10 - Nov 21 by Herbivore |
Are we now allowed to take account of the standard of the opposition when assessing our results? I lose track. In our improved run when it was pointed out that we'd beaten sides that were either doing terribly overall or were in awful form it got shouted down. Our run of 11 points from 6 games prior to the most recent run of 6 games included games against 5 sides residing in the bottom half, including two home games against sides who had a combined away record of won 0, drawn 1, and lost 11. And the form we showed in that kind run of games sustained over the rest of the season would be touch and go for scraping 6th place at best. We need a big upturn very quickly to salvage the season, that includes taking 6 points from our back to back home games this week. |
I’m just taking the realistic and wider view. 😀
You stick to roping in last season to help you out. | |
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| You are correct..... on 23:16 - Nov 21 with 1030 views | XYZ |
| You are correct..... on 22:54 - Nov 21 by Herbivore |
I'd give him slightly longer but if we're this far adrift and still bumbling along in a 3-4 weeks I'd be very tempted to make a change before the January window. By any measure the results under Cook have been nowhere near good enough since he took charge. [Post edited 21 Nov 2021 23:01]
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My money's on this being the view of our owners. | | | |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 23:18 - Nov 21 with 1016 views | Herbivore |
| He's not moving us "upwards" though..... on 22:51 - Nov 21 by positivity |
the team was brand new or not there; maybe 3 of the average team for those 6 (evans, burns, edwards) would be first choice now.
the results and trajectory since then are a far better marker as to where we'll end up |
We'll end up missing out on the play offs if all we manage is to maintain the form we've shown post-Bolton. We're not tearing it up the way some of you seem to think we are. | |
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| You are correct..... on 23:22 - Nov 21 with 1008 views | Herbivore |
| You are correct..... on 23:12 - Nov 21 by Darth_Koont |
“Since he took charge” an awful lot has happened. And “since he took charge” we have at least got better.
It’s whether we continue to get better and then maintain a certain level that’s going to decide his future. We’re not far off that now – as the recent games against Plymouth, Wycombe, Oxford and Sunderland have shown where we have been worth more than 4 points and probably should have had 8 without too much trouble.
We’ve not been competing like this against the top sides at any other time since we’ve been in League One. So “since he took charge” is a lot better on that score. |
Didn't we win three on the bounce, including a couple against decent sides, immediately before Cook came in? That rather contradicts at least two of the points your making there. Sadly teams don't get awarded points based on what their fans feel they deserve, otherwise every side in the league would be joint top on maximum points. | |
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