| South Africa back on the Covid red list 20:51 - Nov 25 with 4765 views | ElderGrizzly |
Cases already in UK, but Govt currently waiting to release news
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| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 23:09 - Nov 25 with 1298 views | Cotty |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 21:24 - Nov 25 by Lord_Lucan |
Slightly off topic but I've had my anti vaxing Polish sparky in tonight and he is 100% adamant that he isn't getting a jab and nor is his wife.
He is concerned that eventually sites where he works will insist on workers being jabbed. He doesn't want to be jabbed because he feels that not enough testing has been done.
I'm double jabbed and going for my booster on Sunday so I'm with the vax program but I must admit, I agree that he should be able to decide if he does or does not take the jab. |
100% he should. But 100% that should not be without consequence. |  | | |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 23:57 - Nov 25 with 1252 views | XYZ |
Just watched the late-night flight to Jo'burg out of Heathrow fly over my house.
Delayed by an hour and a half. Wonder whether that was half the passengers asking to have their luggage pulled out of the hold so they could go home. |  | | |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 23:59 - Nov 25 with 1250 views | BlueBadger |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 21:10 - Nov 25 by wkj |
I thought Covid was supposed to be getting like the flu. |
Virulently infective, potentially lethal and requiring regular booster vaccinations? |  |
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| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 00:22 - Nov 26 with 1214 views | Lord_Lucan |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 23:57 - Nov 25 by XYZ |
Just watched the late-night flight to Jo'burg out of Heathrow fly over my house.
Delayed by an hour and a half. Wonder whether that was half the passengers asking to have their luggage pulled out of the hold so they could go home. |
Are you a Hounslow boy XYZ? |  |
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| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 00:27 - Nov 26 with 1208 views | XYZ |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 00:22 - Nov 26 by Lord_Lucan |
Are you a Hounslow boy XYZ? |
No, although I know it very well as the Mrs worked and lived there in our early years.
We're on the flight path heading to the south coast. | | | |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 08:24 - Nov 26 with 1017 views | bluelagos |
The speed with which govt has red listed SA is in stark contrast to the delays over the Delta variant earlier this year.
Has the govt actually learned the importance of taking swift cautious actions to protect us? Appears so and is a welcome change in approach tbh. |  |
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| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 09:41 - Nov 26 with 979 views | StokieBlue |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 08:24 - Nov 26 by bluelagos |
The speed with which govt has red listed SA is in stark contrast to the delays over the Delta variant earlier this year.
Has the govt actually learned the importance of taking swift cautious actions to protect us? Appears so and is a welcome change in approach tbh. |
Agreed, entirely the right decision to red list them that quickly, whether it will be enough we will only know in a few weeks.
A bit more information out this morning, it seems the R in Gauteng is now at 2 due to this variant and that's with measures in place which were keeping the R very low over the last few weeks and they were having minimum cases.
This is not ideal.
Also seem the red list is already too small. Israel have reported a case in someone returning from Malawi which isn't on the red list.
SB [Post edited 26 Nov 2021 9:44]
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| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 09:59 - Nov 26 with 935 views | Lord_Lucan |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 08:24 - Nov 26 by bluelagos |
The speed with which govt has red listed SA is in stark contrast to the delays over the Delta variant earlier this year.
Has the govt actually learned the importance of taking swift cautious actions to protect us? Appears so and is a welcome change in approach tbh. |
Delta was delayed purely because Boris had a trade deal going down and wanted to go over there and then shout it from the rooftop. 100% definite info. | |
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| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 10:08 - Nov 26 with 929 views | wkj |
Maybe soon we won't be facing such a flippant attitude toward the severity of viral disease. Such bullshat phrases like freedom day (see also Brexit) diverts arrention away from treating it seriously.
When we had 'freedom day' it was almost a perception of COVID being done and dusted.
I'll leave it there. [Post edited 26 Nov 2021 11:27]
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| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 10:11 - Nov 26 with 919 views | hype313 |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 10:08 - Nov 26 by wkj |
Maybe soon we won't be facing such a flippant attitude toward the severity of viral disease. Such bullshat phrases like freedom day (see also Brexit) diverts arrention away from treating it seriously.
When we had 'freedom day' it was almost a perception of COVID being done and dusted.
I'll leave it there. [Post edited 26 Nov 2021 11:27]
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Indeed, the phrase "Avoid like the plague" should be resigned to history, because clearly people don't. |  |
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| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 10:23 - Nov 26 with 897 views | BloomBlue |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 20:55 - Nov 25 by Steve_M |
Good summary here too:
In short, limited numbers so far but data is a concern. UK government is doing what it should have done with India and the Delta variant.
The whole world needs to be vaccinated not just he richest part. |
As the bloke from the WHO just said on the BBC it's totally wrong for some countries to be giving out booster jabs while other countries haven't had 1st or 2nd. It's time for countries to stop the booster program ? |  | | |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:00 - Nov 26 with 858 views | Cotty |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 10:23 - Nov 26 by BloomBlue |
As the bloke from the WHO just said on the BBC it's totally wrong for some countries to be giving out booster jabs while other countries haven't had 1st or 2nd. It's time for countries to stop the booster program ? |
It is wrong, but I'm not sure cancelling booster programmes is the answer, as these are populations whose protection is waning and so also require immunisation. There needs to be a greater international effort to provide more vaccine doses to poorer countries irrespective of booster programmes. There is nothing stopping this other than money and the will to do it. | | | |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:23 - Nov 26 with 830 views | Swansea_Blue |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 08:24 - Nov 26 by bluelagos |
The speed with which govt has red listed SA is in stark contrast to the delays over the Delta variant earlier this year.
Has the govt actually learned the importance of taking swift cautious actions to protect us? Appears so and is a welcome change in approach tbh. |
Didn't they dally with Delta because Johnson was supposed to be going to India to try and salvage something out of Brexit? That may explain the difference. |  |
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| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:29 - Nov 26 with 811 views | Digger77 |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:00 - Nov 26 by Cotty |
It is wrong, but I'm not sure cancelling booster programmes is the answer, as these are populations whose protection is waning and so also require immunisation. There needs to be a greater international effort to provide more vaccine doses to poorer countries irrespective of booster programmes. There is nothing stopping this other than money and the will to do it. |
Stop giving the jabs to kids, who don't need them (according to the science).
Easy fix. | | | |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:35 - Nov 26 with 794 views | StokieBlue |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:29 - Nov 26 by Digger77 |
Stop giving the jabs to kids, who don't need them (according to the science).
Easy fix. |
According to your interpretation of the science.
Having the vaccine still protects children from possible issues with covid and from long covid. Covid was the 5th largest killer of children in the US last year before you even consider long covid and the impact of lost schooling. Furthermore, there are a lot of lies circulating around myocarditis whereby people claim it's a risk but the risk is actually tiny and getting covid presents a far larger risk of myocarditis than having the vaccine. As it stands, not a single child has died of myocarditis after the vaccine.
Are you standing by your nonsense that covid will be like the common cold in a few months given the news of the emerging new variant?
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| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:41 - Nov 26 with 764 views | pointofblue |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:35 - Nov 26 by StokieBlue |
According to your interpretation of the science.
Having the vaccine still protects children from possible issues with covid and from long covid. Covid was the 5th largest killer of children in the US last year before you even consider long covid and the impact of lost schooling. Furthermore, there are a lot of lies circulating around myocarditis whereby people claim it's a risk but the risk is actually tiny and getting covid presents a far larger risk of myocarditis than having the vaccine. As it stands, not a single child has died of myocarditis after the vaccine.
Are you standing by your nonsense that covid will be like the common cold in a few months given the news of the emerging new variant?
SB |
To be fair, do we know the severity of the new variant yet? | |
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| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:43 - Nov 26 with 759 views | BloomBlue |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:00 - Nov 26 by Cotty |
It is wrong, but I'm not sure cancelling booster programmes is the answer, as these are populations whose protection is waning and so also require immunisation. There needs to be a greater international effort to provide more vaccine doses to poorer countries irrespective of booster programmes. There is nothing stopping this other than money and the will to do it. |
Although the argument seemed to be more about capacity to produce rather than money, the world can only produce x amount and yes new manufacturing facilities have/are being built but it's not a simple process. Plus where countries are building them, these currently are often used to predominately fulfil booster contracts. If you take the fact some immunity is better then no immunity, add-in in 6 -8 months its feasible another booster campaign is required would those again take priority over a 1st/2nd jabs for poorer countries, the cycle has to be broken at some stage, which is where that stop the boosters now seem to come from.
I'm not sure I really understand where you would stop/start the booster campaign but if the world requires a 1st jab it does seem sensible the rich countries injecting boosters stop and give it to the poorer countries.
However the point was also made South Africa probably isn't the best example as they have loads vaccines in stock it's simply the arms they lack with uptake of it only in the low 20% . | | | |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:48 - Nov 26 with 742 views | Digger77 |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:35 - Nov 26 by StokieBlue |
According to your interpretation of the science.
Having the vaccine still protects children from possible issues with covid and from long covid. Covid was the 5th largest killer of children in the US last year before you even consider long covid and the impact of lost schooling. Furthermore, there are a lot of lies circulating around myocarditis whereby people claim it's a risk but the risk is actually tiny and getting covid presents a far larger risk of myocarditis than having the vaccine. As it stands, not a single child has died of myocarditis after the vaccine.
Are you standing by your nonsense that covid will be like the common cold in a few months given the news of the emerging new variant?
SB |
The WHO don't agree with you, sorry.
As a matter of global equity, as long as many parts of the world are facing extreme vaccine shortages, countries that have achieved high vaccine coverage in their high-risk populations should prioritize global sharing of COVID-19 vaccines through the COVAX facility before proceeding to vaccination of children and adolescents who are at low risk for severe disease.
But you know best, yeah? | | | |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:53 - Nov 26 with 719 views | Cotty |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:48 - Nov 26 by Digger77 |
The WHO don't agree with you, sorry.
As a matter of global equity, as long as many parts of the world are facing extreme vaccine shortages, countries that have achieved high vaccine coverage in their high-risk populations should prioritize global sharing of COVID-19 vaccines through the COVAX facility before proceeding to vaccination of children and adolescents who are at low risk for severe disease.
But you know best, yeah? |
Where in that passage does it say that children do not need vaccines? It is quite clear from that paragraph that there is intent to eventually vaccinate children and adolescents. | | | |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:56 - Nov 26 with 707 views | StokieBlue |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:48 - Nov 26 by Digger77 |
The WHO don't agree with you, sorry.
As a matter of global equity, as long as many parts of the world are facing extreme vaccine shortages, countries that have achieved high vaccine coverage in their high-risk populations should prioritize global sharing of COVID-19 vaccines through the COVAX facility before proceeding to vaccination of children and adolescents who are at low risk for severe disease.
But you know best, yeah? |
You've cherry picked the bit of the statement which suits your narrative.
Why didn't you post the whole thing or even just the first bit:
"Countries should consider the individual and population benefits of immunising children and adolescents in their specific epidemiological and social context when developing their COVID-19 immunisation policies and programs."
"There are benefits of vaccinating children and adolescents that go beyond the direct health benefits. Vaccination that decreases COVID transmission in this age group may reduce transmission from children and adolescents to older adults, and may help reduce the need for mitigation measures in schools. Minimizing disruptions to education for children and maintenance of their overall well-being, health and safety are important considerations."
What is your objection to vaccination children given C19 was the 5th largest killer of children in the US last year? Children do die of covid unfortunately, even if it's a small number.
The risk from covid for a child is far higher than the risk of the vaccine, the numbers and studies clearly show this and that is before we discuss long covid and social and psychological impacts.
The actual highest cause of deaths in children is accidents so if you are following the risk-based path that you claim you should probably keep them in their rooms all the time.
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| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:59 - Nov 26 with 691 views | BloomBlue |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:48 - Nov 26 by Digger77 |
The WHO don't agree with you, sorry.
As a matter of global equity, as long as many parts of the world are facing extreme vaccine shortages, countries that have achieved high vaccine coverage in their high-risk populations should prioritize global sharing of COVID-19 vaccines through the COVAX facility before proceeding to vaccination of children and adolescents who are at low risk for severe disease.
But you know best, yeah? |
I'm only going on what the WHO rep said on the BBC earlier and he never said stop giving 1st and 2nd jabs to your population he said they wanted the booster programs stopped and those vaccines to be given to poorer countries.
Although the point was made South Africa doesn't have a shortage of vaccine supplies, actually the opposite, it's a lack of people coming forward for the vaccine which is the problem there | | | |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 12:00 - Nov 26 with 697 views | lowhouseblue |
unless i am misreading, your link says that no cases have yet been identified in the uk ….
so you should really be careful i think. |  |
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| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 12:01 - Nov 26 with 682 views | chicoazul |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 21:08 - Nov 25 by ElderGrizzly |
A lot of Eastern Europe is struggling with vaccine take-up.
Expect to see multiple lockdowns in that part of the world throughout winter months |
Lockdowns are excellent and work very well, just look at Austria and Germany. It’s not like they’re on the fourth or fifth wave or anything. |  |
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| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 12:01 - Nov 26 with 683 views | Digger77 |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:56 - Nov 26 by StokieBlue |
You've cherry picked the bit of the statement which suits your narrative.
Why didn't you post the whole thing or even just the first bit:
"Countries should consider the individual and population benefits of immunising children and adolescents in their specific epidemiological and social context when developing their COVID-19 immunisation policies and programs."
"There are benefits of vaccinating children and adolescents that go beyond the direct health benefits. Vaccination that decreases COVID transmission in this age group may reduce transmission from children and adolescents to older adults, and may help reduce the need for mitigation measures in schools. Minimizing disruptions to education for children and maintenance of their overall well-being, health and safety are important considerations."
What is your objection to vaccination children given C19 was the 5th largest killer of children in the US last year? Children do die of covid unfortunately, even if it's a small number.
The risk from covid for a child is far higher than the risk of the vaccine, the numbers and studies clearly show this and that is before we discuss long covid and social and psychological impacts.
The actual highest cause of deaths in children is accidents so if you are following the risk-based path that you claim you should probably keep them in their rooms all the time.
SB |
It's very clear what they say.
Do you have access to the long-term studies now?
Can you share?
Are your kids jabbed? | | | |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 12:05 - Nov 26 with 656 views | pointofblue |
| South Africa back on the Covid red list on 11:56 - Nov 26 by StokieBlue |
You've cherry picked the bit of the statement which suits your narrative.
Why didn't you post the whole thing or even just the first bit:
"Countries should consider the individual and population benefits of immunising children and adolescents in their specific epidemiological and social context when developing their COVID-19 immunisation policies and programs."
"There are benefits of vaccinating children and adolescents that go beyond the direct health benefits. Vaccination that decreases COVID transmission in this age group may reduce transmission from children and adolescents to older adults, and may help reduce the need for mitigation measures in schools. Minimizing disruptions to education for children and maintenance of their overall well-being, health and safety are important considerations."
What is your objection to vaccination children given C19 was the 5th largest killer of children in the US last year? Children do die of covid unfortunately, even if it's a small number.
The risk from covid for a child is far higher than the risk of the vaccine, the numbers and studies clearly show this and that is before we discuss long covid and social and psychological impacts.
The actual highest cause of deaths in children is accidents so if you are following the risk-based path that you claim you should probably keep them in their rooms all the time.
SB |
I think the moral question is should we vaccinate children before those in older or more vulnerable groups are given even one jab. | |
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