| Harris done deal 22:56 - Dec 13 with 17024 views | portmanking |
Rumours gathering pace on WhatsApp among a few people I know connected to the club that it's sorted. Bircham could indeed be part of Harris' coaching setup, which could explain his odds with the bookies.
If this does have legs, I have to say I'm truly, truly gutted we've chucked Cookie for this lot. |  | | |  |
| Harris done deal on 00:58 - Dec 14 with 2047 views | Guthrum |
| Harris done deal on 23:16 - Dec 13 by BondiBlue |
But it would show that ashton has learnt from his dean holden experience.
I'm not against this. Get us up by playing league one football and keep us up in the championship by making us hard to beat. Then hire liam manning and buy bersant celina. |
I think that may be exactly what they're doing. Harris as a short-to-medium term expedient to get us mid table in the Champ, then change again. I do wonder, given where his experience lies, whether Cook was actually in a similar position. |  |
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| Harris done deal on 01:00 - Dec 14 with 2039 views | Jambo |
That’s a pi55 poor appointment.
No other way of looking at it.
Cook was underperforming. But to get rid of him and end up with the out of work Harris, that’s not progress.
Serious questions need to be asked of Ashton and O’Leary if this is true. This would be like ME never left.
I’ve seen enough of Millwall and Cardiff to know that they played 5hite.
We had that with Mick.
The season is over. And if he’s in charge so too is next years.
Christ. Why can’t we just get a fücking break. |  | | |
| Harris done deal on 01:04 - Dec 14 with 2019 views | greyhound |
| Harris done deal on 01:00 - Dec 14 by Jambo |
That’s a pi55 poor appointment.
No other way of looking at it.
Cook was underperforming. But to get rid of him and end up with the out of work Harris, that’s not progress.
Serious questions need to be asked of Ashton and O’Leary if this is true. This would be like ME never left.
I’ve seen enough of Millwall and Cardiff to know that they played 5hite.
We had that with Mick.
The season is over. And if he’s in charge so too is next years.
Christ. Why can’t we just get a fücking break. |
We're in for a fun few days on here arent we.
This is quite a pivotal appointment, however it feels like it's equally the one where our league status has bit for the first time in a long while. Paul Hurst was a more exciting prospect. | | | |
| Harris done deal on 01:06 - Dec 14 with 1991 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Harris done deal on 00:58 - Dec 14 by Guthrum |
I think that may be exactly what they're doing. Harris as a short-to-medium term expedient to get us mid table in the Champ, then change again. I do wonder, given where his experience lies, whether Cook was actually in a similar position. |
That would be madness.
As much as I have my doubts about Ashton, no one would be mental enough to have that kind of plan. |  | | |
| Harris done deal on 01:13 - Dec 14 with 1944 views | Jambo |
| Harris done deal on 01:04 - Dec 14 by greyhound |
We're in for a fun few days on here arent we.
This is quite a pivotal appointment, however it feels like it's equally the one where our league status has bit for the first time in a long while. Paul Hurst was a more exciting prospect. |
You’re not wrong GH.
With Hurst, if felt like we were trying something new.
Yes, it backfired. This feels like something “other” clubs do.
Who next Nigel Adkins? Simon Grayson perhaps?
Sorry, this would be a real disappointment. | | | |
| Harris done deal on 01:19 - Dec 14 with 1903 views | pointofblue |
| Harris done deal on 00:56 - Dec 14 by CokeIsKey |
Think this would be a fine appointment, at least much more positive than some people here seem to think - has achieved a promotion, multiple playoffs and two FA cup quarter finals in his relatively short career. Not sure how true the sentiment is that he’s just a worse version of Mick, from what I have read his teams can go long if needed but are still perfectly capable of playing good football.
“At Cardiff, however, fans were sceptical of their new manager, who had spent a brief loan spell with the Bluebirds in 2004.
Gradually, Harris won them over. In his 30 Championship matches, there have been 14 victories, 10 draws and only six defeats.
Harris has subtly evolved the playing style, building on the solid foundations laid by Warnock and adding a little finesse to what was a rudimentary - if once-effective - approach.
Cardiff now seem more confident in possession, able to pass their way around opponents as well being able to bulldoze through them.”
Mark Bircham would be a phenomenal coach too, upgrading from the Wigan kitman to an experienced uefa pro license coach is something else. Have heard a few Waterford fans who said he basically turned the club around but had to go because of a spat with the owner, but most were furious that he left. |
Want to say what happened at Cardiff after the resurgence? | |
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| Harris done deal on 01:20 - Dec 14 with 1904 views | BondiBlue |
| Harris done deal on 01:06 - Dec 14 by Cafe_Newman |
That would be madness.
As much as I have my doubts about Ashton, no one would be mental enough to have that kind of plan. |
As opposed to the plan to play all-out attacking sexy football with flying wingbacks and no-one capable of tackling in midfield in league one? That plan went really well at cheltenham, burton, accrington and cambridge didn't it. It wasn't even as if it was working at home to morecambe, oldham, barrow etc. etc. etc. | |
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| Harris done deal on 01:24 - Dec 14 with 1869 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Harris done deal on 01:20 - Dec 14 by BondiBlue |
As opposed to the plan to play all-out attacking sexy football with flying wingbacks and no-one capable of tackling in midfield in league one? That plan went really well at cheltenham, burton, accrington and cambridge didn't it. It wasn't even as if it was working at home to morecambe, oldham, barrow etc. etc. etc. |
I doubt that was a plan either. | | | |
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| Harris done deal on 01:31 - Dec 14 with 1831 views | BondiBlue |
| Harris done deal on 01:24 - Dec 14 by Cafe_Newman |
I doubt that was a plan either. |
The big change of direction from cook to harris either suggests that the new owners know exactly what they want or they have no idea what they want.
I'd like to think given o'leary and ashton's experience that it's the former but some of the transfers in the summer make me a little concerned it's the latter. Signing celina for a team you want managed by harris, for example, certainly doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. | |
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| Harris done deal on 01:38 - Dec 14 with 1821 views | Blue_Moses |
| Harris done deal on 00:53 - Dec 14 by Cafe_Newman |
Not aiming these comments at the OP (or any other individual) but it's sad to see so much "underwhelm" here and in other recent threads.
Do GOOD managers/coaches really have a preferred formation which they persist with even when it's not working?
I think BAD ones do and that's why we are in the mess we're in now.
I'm optimistic that Harris (if he comes) will look at our better players and employ a system which attempts to play to their strengths. Isn't that what they're paid shedloads to do?
It's a results-driven game and nothing's better than good results for us fans, the players and the club as a whole. I'd trade any formation that gets points over any other system that doesn't, and I'm not going to be negative about any manager until it's clear he's not up to getting results and getting us out of 3rd tier football. [Post edited 14 Dec 2021 0:57]
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You've hit the nail on the head here. Every manager plays to the strength of the players they have at their disposal, not a pre-determined formation or style of play. | | | |
| Harris done deal on 01:40 - Dec 14 with 1808 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Harris done deal on 01:31 - Dec 14 by BondiBlue |
The big change of direction from cook to harris either suggests that the new owners know exactly what they want or they have no idea what they want.
I'd like to think given o'leary and ashton's experience that it's the former but some of the transfers in the summer make me a little concerned it's the latter. Signing celina for a team you want managed by harris, for example, certainly doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. |
I hope their plans go deeper than trying to avoid alienating 29k fans at the weekend.
Let's see. | | | |
| Harris done deal on 01:40 - Dec 14 with 1810 views | BondiBlue |
| Harris done deal on 01:38 - Dec 14 by Blue_Moses |
You've hit the nail on the head here. Every manager plays to the strength of the players they have at their disposal, not a pre-determined formation or style of play. |
Cook said exactly that on the NTT20 pod he did with danny cowley before he was appointed here - you should play to the strengths of the players you've got. Weird how he didn't seem to be able to do that at all. | |
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| Harris done deal on 01:43 - Dec 14 with 1800 views | BondiBlue |
| Harris done deal on 01:40 - Dec 14 by Cafe_Newman |
I hope their plans go deeper than trying to avoid alienating 29k fans at the weekend.
Let's see. |
I'd advise them not to worry too much about that. I remember the joe royle appointment being hugely controversial at the time. Now his time seems to be regarded as the glory years. History is written by winners. | |
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| Harris done deal on 01:49 - Dec 14 with 1787 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Harris done deal on 01:40 - Dec 14 by BondiBlue |
Cook said exactly that on the NTT20 pod he did with danny cowley before he was appointed here - you should play to the strengths of the players you've got. Weird how he didn't seem to be able to do that at all. |
Then he was:
a) talking football manager soundbites and/or
b) not very good at identifying the players strengths and/or
c) lacking in man-management and team building skills. | | | |
| Harris done deal on 01:54 - Dec 14 with 1776 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Harris done deal on 01:43 - Dec 14 by BondiBlue |
I'd advise them not to worry too much about that. I remember the joe royle appointment being hugely controversial at the time. Now his time seems to be regarded as the glory years. History is written by winners. |
"I'd advise them not to worry too much about that."
Me too, but then I'm not an American who's dabbling in soccerrr for jollies. | | | |
| Harris done deal on 03:59 - Dec 14 with 1638 views | Guthrum |
| Harris done deal on 01:06 - Dec 14 by Cafe_Newman |
That would be madness.
As much as I have my doubts about Ashton, no one would be mental enough to have that kind of plan. |
Why would it be madness? Clubs buy players to get promoted and change them as they move up the divisions, why not managers also?
If you mean the apparent change of style from Cook to Harris, yes that would be rather zany after hiring all those players for the former's system. But we don't know how Harris (if it is he) has sold his vision for the team or what promises he's made - given it's been suggested to be a Head Coach role rather than an outright Manager. | |
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| Harris done deal on 04:10 - Dec 14 with 1631 views | BondiBlue |
| Harris done deal on 03:59 - Dec 14 by Guthrum |
Why would it be madness? Clubs buy players to get promoted and change them as they move up the divisions, why not managers also?
If you mean the apparent change of style from Cook to Harris, yes that would be rather zany after hiring all those players for the former's system. But we don't know how Harris (if it is he) has sold his vision for the team or what promises he's made - given it's been suggested to be a Head Coach role rather than an outright Manager. |
I'm guessing he's persuaded them that he's a motivator and that's what's needed to get this squad winning. Not so much tactics and transfers (transfers being irrelevant for a head coach anyway). | |
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| Harris done deal on 04:32 - Dec 14 with 1609 views | Guthrum |
| Harris done deal on 04:10 - Dec 14 by BondiBlue |
I'm guessing he's persuaded them that he's a motivator and that's what's needed to get this squad winning. Not so much tactics and transfers (transfers being irrelevant for a head coach anyway). |
Makes more sense than bringing in a completely different style of play. | |
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| Harris done deal on 06:21 - Dec 14 with 1464 views | Kieran_Knows |
The banter era rolls on. This club really is cursed. |  |
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| Harris done deal on 06:24 - Dec 14 with 1455 views | dirtyboy |
| Harris done deal on 06:21 - Dec 14 by Kieran_Knows |
The banter era rolls on. This club really is cursed. |
But if Marc Bircham is involved the banter will be top class…silver lining? Lol |  | | |
| Harris done deal on 06:26 - Dec 14 with 1443 views | pennblue |
| Harris done deal on 04:32 - Dec 14 by Guthrum |
Makes more sense than bringing in a completely different style of play. |
If he can get this lit properly up for it, we still have a chance of top six. | |
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| Harris done deal on 07:17 - Dec 14 with 1257 views | itfcjoe |
| Harris done deal on 04:10 - Dec 14 by BondiBlue |
I'm guessing he's persuaded them that he's a motivator and that's what's needed to get this squad winning. Not so much tactics and transfers (transfers being irrelevant for a head coach anyway). |
There’s a big argument to suggest with the quality we have just getting them organised, and working hard, should be enough to see us rise quite quickly up the table |  |
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| Harris done deal on 07:25 - Dec 14 with 1175 views | franz_tyson |
| Harris done deal on 06:24 - Dec 14 by dirtyboy |
But if Marc Bircham is involved the banter will be top class…silver lining? Lol |
Saw Bircham on the Under the Cosh podcast a few months back. Thought he came across as a real prick. Didn’t expect him to be seriously considered as managerial type let alone linked with us.
Could just about stomach Harris, but wouldn’t want Bircham involved. | | | |
| Harris done deal on 07:35 - Dec 14 with 1087 views | ITFCBlues |
| Harris done deal on 07:17 - Dec 14 by itfcjoe |
There’s a big argument to suggest with the quality we have just getting them organised, and working hard, should be enough to see us rise quite quickly up the table |
If we're seriously opting for Harris, it probably shows that we're not as attractive a job as we all think.
Utterly depressing appointment for a club with supposid big ambition. |  |
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| Harris done deal on 07:40 - Dec 14 with 1050 views | pennblue |
| Harris done deal on 07:17 - Dec 14 by itfcjoe |
There’s a big argument to suggest with the quality we have just getting them organised, and working hard, should be enough to see us rise quite quickly up the table |
Are you going to get behind this appointment joe? | |
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