| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated 22:07 - Jan 4 with 8758 views | ElderGrizzly |
Saying the quiet things out loud again…
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 11:38 - Jan 5 with 886 views | Herbivore |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 11:16 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
FFS man your last paragraph sums it all up, do you even realise what you're doing/saying? Was it something like this that went through your head "errrr, I have to reply with something, but he makes a good point about the skin colour/religion thing, perhaps we are saying/doing things that are marginalising and stigmatising the population unfairly, crikey Boris has us exactly where he wants us and we didn't even realise it, we're lefties for christs sakes, but carrying out a far right agenda, how did it get to this? Oh well, I'm never going to admit to that publicly so I'll respond and try and make him look silly again by asking for numbers and I'll cherry pick the skin colour thing and try and spin that back on him cos I have an answer that could be semi plausible for that one, but I'll have to ignore the religion thing cos that's not inherited so they might see through the response about skin colour? Yeah, but I have to reply with something and it's better than no response, so lets just go with that. The others will all back me up and agree anyway, cos none of them are going to want to look stupid either, ok let's go, done" |
You're nowhere near bright enough to carry this off, mate. You've been exposed before pontificating on subjects on which you clearly know very little. I'm seeing evidence of possible narcissistic personality traits from you but very little else. |  |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 11:43 - Jan 5 with 863 views | Herbivore |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 11:34 - Jan 5 by clive_baker |
That's a lot of words to not really say anything.
Just provide evidence and data that supports your argument, it shouldn't be difficult. |
I recall having a previous 'debate' with this individual where I provided lots of evidence to back up my argument and they simply ranted, threw insults, and refused to provide any evidence. It seems that this individual sees themselves as a superior intellect whose word we should take as gospel. As I said, traits of narcissism but little evidence of any notable wit or intellect. [Post edited 5 Jan 2022 11:45]
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 11:58 - Jan 5 with 805 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 11:43 - Jan 5 by Herbivore |
I recall having a previous 'debate' with this individual where I provided lots of evidence to back up my argument and they simply ranted, threw insults, and refused to provide any evidence. It seems that this individual sees themselves as a superior intellect whose word we should take as gospel. As I said, traits of narcissism but little evidence of any notable wit or intellect. [Post edited 5 Jan 2022 11:45]
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The truth is he is best left to talk to himself, no point in trying to engage with him . |  |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:02 - Jan 5 with 788 views | Churchman |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 11:31 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
My previous post was so "awful" to you, because it highlighted the behaviour and truly dark underbelly of all this, which you have made yourself a part of with your public views/expressions. It is a behaviour that you probably didn't realise you were displaying and that you would normally find abhorrent in others, but you are now wiser and able to do something about it, like the rest of the group, the question is, will you?
Stop asking me to furnish you with information, you can lead a horse to water..... |
What is this ‘dark underbelly’ you are on about. If you have something to say, say it. Be clear and explicit. Preferably with the odd paragraph chucked in to help.
So you won’t provide evidence for what you say because ‘you can lead a horse to water’. I don’t have a horse so I don’t know about that, but I presume you mean that there is no point in providing evidence because the dumb won’t change their minds. Go on, try me. Give it a go. I’m all ears.
I suspect you are just trolling and if you are, there are better subjects than this. |  | | |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:07 - Jan 5 with 783 views | TooManyCooks |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 11:43 - Jan 5 by Herbivore |
I recall having a previous 'debate' with this individual where I provided lots of evidence to back up my argument and they simply ranted, threw insults, and refused to provide any evidence. It seems that this individual sees themselves as a superior intellect whose word we should take as gospel. As I said, traits of narcissism but little evidence of any notable wit or intellect. [Post edited 5 Jan 2022 11:45]
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Our previous debate exposed you completely to the world, you were proved, beyond any doubt, to be utterly wrong, yet refused to accept it and bleated on and on and on, in effort to deflect to anything that didn't show you up for what you are, which is why I no longer engage with you, it's a complete waste of my time and energy.
I'll come back and deal with you in a few weeks when you're little group is on here promoting calls for segregation of "the great unvaccinated" scourge of society, disingenuously claiming that it's in the best interest of everybody, whilst disavowing any and all likeness to any similarly abhorrent discriminatory acts in the history of mankind, cos that's where you lot are headed next.
Still, Austria thought it was fine and I didn't see many of our leaders condemning their actions and Austria are an absolute beacon when it comes.....oh, no, wait, that's not true and there's a whole new level of wrong unfolding with that precedent, but you probably thought it was ok and justified it internally, so bully for you. |  |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:12 - Jan 5 with 763 views | Herbivore |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:07 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
Our previous debate exposed you completely to the world, you were proved, beyond any doubt, to be utterly wrong, yet refused to accept it and bleated on and on and on, in effort to deflect to anything that didn't show you up for what you are, which is why I no longer engage with you, it's a complete waste of my time and energy.
I'll come back and deal with you in a few weeks when you're little group is on here promoting calls for segregation of "the great unvaccinated" scourge of society, disingenuously claiming that it's in the best interest of everybody, whilst disavowing any and all likeness to any similarly abhorrent discriminatory acts in the history of mankind, cos that's where you lot are headed next.
Still, Austria thought it was fine and I didn't see many of our leaders condemning their actions and Austria are an absolute beacon when it comes.....oh, no, wait, that's not true and there's a whole new level of wrong unfolding with that precedent, but you probably thought it was ok and justified it internally, so bully for you. |
All I'm hearing is the sound of a cuckoo. | |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:13 - Jan 5 with 760 views | pointofblue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:07 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
Our previous debate exposed you completely to the world, you were proved, beyond any doubt, to be utterly wrong, yet refused to accept it and bleated on and on and on, in effort to deflect to anything that didn't show you up for what you are, which is why I no longer engage with you, it's a complete waste of my time and energy.
I'll come back and deal with you in a few weeks when you're little group is on here promoting calls for segregation of "the great unvaccinated" scourge of society, disingenuously claiming that it's in the best interest of everybody, whilst disavowing any and all likeness to any similarly abhorrent discriminatory acts in the history of mankind, cos that's where you lot are headed next.
Still, Austria thought it was fine and I didn't see many of our leaders condemning their actions and Austria are an absolute beacon when it comes.....oh, no, wait, that's not true and there's a whole new level of wrong unfolding with that precedent, but you probably thought it was ok and justified it internally, so bully for you. |
So you’re comparing vaccinating, where there is choice, to the Apartheid and the Holocaust, where there was not - at least for the victims (particularly in relation to the former)? [Post edited 5 Jan 2022 12:15]
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:16 - Jan 5 with 749 views | StokieBlue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:07 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
Our previous debate exposed you completely to the world, you were proved, beyond any doubt, to be utterly wrong, yet refused to accept it and bleated on and on and on, in effort to deflect to anything that didn't show you up for what you are, which is why I no longer engage with you, it's a complete waste of my time and energy.
I'll come back and deal with you in a few weeks when you're little group is on here promoting calls for segregation of "the great unvaccinated" scourge of society, disingenuously claiming that it's in the best interest of everybody, whilst disavowing any and all likeness to any similarly abhorrent discriminatory acts in the history of mankind, cos that's where you lot are headed next.
Still, Austria thought it was fine and I didn't see many of our leaders condemning their actions and Austria are an absolute beacon when it comes.....oh, no, wait, that's not true and there's a whole new level of wrong unfolding with that precedent, but you probably thought it was ok and justified it internally, so bully for you. |
"you were proved, beyond any doubt, to be utterly wrong, yet refused to accept it and bleated on and on and on, in effort to deflect to anything that didn't show you up for what you are"
An excellent description of your behaviour on this thread.
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:22 - Jan 5 with 729 views | StokieBlue |
Can you explain why you are citing figures that are 12 days old and related to deaths which wasn't the discussion?
That article is already a week out of date and cases and hospitalisations have risen considerably as Whitty pointed out yesterday. I also don't even think it shows what you think it does, it states up to 40% of admissions are unvaccinated and that it's higher in ICU (from your article):
"Separate UKHSA data proving how well the vaccines work shows unvaccinated adults are up to eight times more likely to be admitted to hospital than people given two doses.
The gap is even more stark for intensive care units, where the unjabbed are up to 60 times more likely to need treatment."
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:22 - Jan 5 with 730 views | Herbivore |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:16 - Jan 5 by StokieBlue |
"you were proved, beyond any doubt, to be utterly wrong, yet refused to accept it and bleated on and on and on, in effort to deflect to anything that didn't show you up for what you are"
An excellent description of your behaviour on this thread.
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And his behaviour on that previous occasion as well. A lot of sound and fury from this one and not much else. | |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:30 - Jan 5 with 701 views | DinDjarin |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:22 - Jan 5 by StokieBlue |
Can you explain why you are citing figures that are 12 days old and related to deaths which wasn't the discussion?
That article is already a week out of date and cases and hospitalisations have risen considerably as Whitty pointed out yesterday. I also don't even think it shows what you think it does, it states up to 40% of admissions are unvaccinated and that it's higher in ICU (from your article):
"Separate UKHSA data proving how well the vaccines work shows unvaccinated adults are up to eight times more likely to be admitted to hospital than people given two doses.
The gap is even more stark for intensive care units, where the unjabbed are up to 60 times more likely to need treatment."
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If you can find week 52 stats on the official government website then feel free to post them.
Week 51 is the latest released and shows that the majority of deaths for all covid cases are in the vaccinated albeit in the older age groups. |  | | |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:36 - Jan 5 with 689 views | DinDjarin |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:22 - Jan 5 by StokieBlue |
Can you explain why you are citing figures that are 12 days old and related to deaths which wasn't the discussion?
That article is already a week out of date and cases and hospitalisations have risen considerably as Whitty pointed out yesterday. I also don't even think it shows what you think it does, it states up to 40% of admissions are unvaccinated and that it's higher in ICU (from your article):
"Separate UKHSA data proving how well the vaccines work shows unvaccinated adults are up to eight times more likely to be admitted to hospital than people given two doses.
The gap is even more stark for intensive care units, where the unjabbed are up to 60 times more likely to need treatment."
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40% in London and 26% nationwide so less than 26% outside of London. | | | |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:38 - Jan 5 with 678 views | StokieBlue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:30 - Jan 5 by DinDjarin |
If you can find week 52 stats on the official government website then feel free to post them.
Week 51 is the latest released and shows that the majority of deaths for all covid cases are in the vaccinated albeit in the older age groups. |
Nobody asked about deaths though.
Have you read the thread?
Seems almost like you have an archive of things taken from somewhere that you post regardless of the actual subject being discussed.
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:39 - Jan 5 with 673 views | StokieBlue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:36 - Jan 5 by DinDjarin |
40% in London and 26% nationwide so less than 26% outside of London. |
Based on figures from before the expansion of Omicron outside London. Growth in hospitalisations was at twice the rate in the North than in London yesterday.
I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make?
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:41 - Jan 5 with 663 views | TooManyCooks |
It doesn't matter what numbers are put in front of those prepared to discriminate against "the great unvaccinated" they will insist they are right.
On the one hand they will point towards a vast majority of the population being "vaccinated" (without distinguishing what "vaccinated" actually means) and therefore insist, as per the data, that of course we should expect more hospital resources to be used treating these people, because statistically and logically thinking you are going to see more admissions from a group that consists of 90%+ of the population BUT at the same time they'll insist that "the great unvaccinated" are the real problem and are using all of the hospital resources and argue why this is the case, it's just laughable.
Like I said before, you can lead a horse to water........they're on a dark path, whether they realise it, or not. | |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:52 - Jan 5 with 648 views | TooManyCooks |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:30 - Jan 5 by DinDjarin |
If you can find week 52 stats on the official government website then feel free to post them.
Week 51 is the latest released and shows that the majority of deaths for all covid cases are in the vaccinated albeit in the older age groups. |
Whatever you do, don't point to the Countries that had a very near 100% complete population vaccination programme, who then went on to record the highest new Covid case rates and hospitalisations in the World......that wouldn't fit the agenda against "the great unvaccinated" and doesn't make for good headlines when Governments are desperately seeking to control people. | |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:52 - Jan 5 with 644 views | Herbivore |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:41 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
It doesn't matter what numbers are put in front of those prepared to discriminate against "the great unvaccinated" they will insist they are right.
On the one hand they will point towards a vast majority of the population being "vaccinated" (without distinguishing what "vaccinated" actually means) and therefore insist, as per the data, that of course we should expect more hospital resources to be used treating these people, because statistically and logically thinking you are going to see more admissions from a group that consists of 90%+ of the population BUT at the same time they'll insist that "the great unvaccinated" are the real problem and are using all of the hospital resources and argue why this is the case, it's just laughable.
Like I said before, you can lead a horse to water........they're on a dark path, whether they realise it, or not. |
Nurse is late doing her rounds today I see. | |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:54 - Jan 5 with 634 views | m14_blue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 10:58 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
I have him on ignore, so no idea what he has posted.
As for the BMJ article I led you all to, in this respect you have, collectively, ably highlighted why it is not possible to have any balanced discussion on this topic with any of you, much like any other time here. None of you are prepared to accept that you may need to change your view, or have based your views too hastily, on poor information fed to you. You simply brushed over/ completely ignored anything that didn't suit your agenda in the BMJ article (which should be taken as part of a bigger picture of course, not just representative of the entire pandemic on its own, but you're all too lazy to bother with the research necessary to build a better picture of the real numbers) as I knew you would. You make no comment on, or acknowledge the HUGE discrepancy between the media claimed numbers of "unvaccinated" being admitted to critical care and indeed not just critical care, but via other Covid hospital admissions (unless of course "hospital resources" aren't taken up by general admissions for the purposes of your agendas?) which is of course vastly made up of fully vaccinated individuals.
But hey, lets not let reality get in the way of the groups poorly formed opinions and biases.
Additionally, on a far darker underbelly theme of all this, it is very hard to distinguish the groups stigmatism towards "the great unvaccinated" from the kind of stigmatism the world has suffered towards skin colour and religion over the years. Of course, you'll all convince yourselves that this is completely different, but perhaps you should stop and have a real good think for a minute about what you are saying and doing and realise you are actually no different at all, they all probably believed what they were saying/doing was right too. |
Yeah, this is completely different. | | | |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:57 - Jan 5 with 626 views | footers |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:52 - Jan 5 by Herbivore |
Nurse is late doing her rounds today I see. |
Countdown's not on till 14.10. Then it's CBeebies, Flog It and A Place in the Sun. |  |
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:57 - Jan 5 with 627 views | StokieBlue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:41 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
It doesn't matter what numbers are put in front of those prepared to discriminate against "the great unvaccinated" they will insist they are right.
On the one hand they will point towards a vast majority of the population being "vaccinated" (without distinguishing what "vaccinated" actually means) and therefore insist, as per the data, that of course we should expect more hospital resources to be used treating these people, because statistically and logically thinking you are going to see more admissions from a group that consists of 90%+ of the population BUT at the same time they'll insist that "the great unvaccinated" are the real problem and are using all of the hospital resources and argue why this is the case, it's just laughable.
Like I said before, you can lead a horse to water........they're on a dark path, whether they realise it, or not. |
You've totally misunderstood the issue as your post shows. The person you quoted also misunderstood the issue we were discussing or didn't care as long as they pushed their narrative.
What people are saying is that the unvaccinated use a bigger proportion of the hospital resources on a pro-rata basis than the vaccinated. They are resources they are extremely unlikely to require if they had been vaccinated. You can't compare the groups in the way you are without adjusting the sample sizes for equivalence. It's a pretty much undisputable fact in my opinion yet you keep refusing to show any actual evidence to prove this conclusion wrong.
I'd argue that ignoring evidence leads one to a dark path as does citing equivalences between genetics and choice and theoretical discrimination thereafter. Many countries have stopped the unvaccinated from doing things for over a year now but they haven't turned into Germany in the 1930's which you seem to be claiming is a guaranteed endpoint.
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:59 - Jan 5 with 618 views | StokieBlue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:52 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
Whatever you do, don't point to the Countries that had a very near 100% complete population vaccination programme, who then went on to record the highest new Covid case rates and hospitalisations in the World......that wouldn't fit the agenda against "the great unvaccinated" and doesn't make for good headlines when Governments are desperately seeking to control people. |
And there we have it, you've shown your true colours.
"when Governments are desperately seeking to control people."
We got there in the end I guess. An interesting take given the UK is currently one of the only countries in West (and the only country within the union) who doesn't think firm restrictions are needed.
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 13:03 - Jan 5 with 595 views | StokieBlue |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:52 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks |
Whatever you do, don't point to the Countries that had a very near 100% complete population vaccination programme, who then went on to record the highest new Covid case rates and hospitalisations in the World......that wouldn't fit the agenda against "the great unvaccinated" and doesn't make for good headlines when Governments are desperately seeking to control people. |
Another misunderstanding of the science.
I can only assume you are citing Israel given nobody else is even closer to 100% in vaccinations (and even Israel aren't that close) but the country itself doesn't really matter.
Protection wanes and can be almost circumvented by new variants such as Omicron hence there is an initial rise in cases amongst all cohorts until a booster is taken. Once the boosters kick in the pro-rata hospitalisations will skew towards the unvaccinated as they will still have no protection but the boosted will now have some form of effective protection.
The example you've cited is cherry picking of time periods of hospitalisations whilst ignoring the wider context and the subsequent time periods of hospitalisations.
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| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 13:05 - Jan 5 with 582 views | Herbivore |
| Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:59 - Jan 5 by StokieBlue |
And there we have it, you've shown your true colours.
"when Governments are desperately seeking to control people."
We got there in the end I guess. An interesting take given the UK is currently one of the only countries in West (and the only country within the union) who doesn't think firm restrictions are needed.
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It's hard to tell if they're trolling, a bit simple, or genuinely unwell. I think it could be a little from each column. | |
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