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Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:52 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks
Whatever you do, don't point to the Countries that had a very near 100% complete population vaccination programme, who then went on to record the highest new Covid case rates and hospitalisations in the World......that wouldn't fit the agenda against "the great unvaccinated" and doesn't make for good headlines when Governments are desperately seeking to control people.
I’ll keep it simple - why is the vaccination a bad thing?
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:57 - Jan 5 by StokieBlue
You've totally misunderstood the issue as your post shows. The person you quoted also misunderstood the issue we were discussing or didn't care as long as they pushed their narrative.
What people are saying is that the unvaccinated use a bigger proportion of the hospital resources on a pro-rata basis than the vaccinated. They are resources they are extremely unlikely to require if they had been vaccinated. You can't compare the groups in the way you are without adjusting the sample sizes for equivalence. It's a pretty much undisputable fact in my opinion yet you keep refusing to show any actual evidence to prove this conclusion wrong.
I'd argue that ignoring evidence leads one to a dark path as does citing equivalences between genetics and choice and theoretical discrimination thereafter. Many countries have stopped the unvaccinated from doing things for over a year now but they haven't turned into Germany in the 1930's which you seem to be claiming is a guaranteed endpoint.
SB
NO.....what you and the rest have been saying (look at your own posts and others in this thread) is that the great unvaccinated are "selfish", "thick", "clearly the unvaccinated are causing problems/issues for everyone else" "hospitals are needlessly strained". You have all marginalised and discriminated against a group of people based on vaccination status and tried to use "statistics" to back up your agendas, when actually all evidence points towards the exact opposite, as you would rationally expect given such a large number of people are vaccinated.
You have all sought to blame the unvaccinated for hospital stresses/strains, but the reality is that hospital resources are being used in the vast majority by vaccinated individuals, those are the facts of the matter and represented in all data, whether you choose to ignore it, or not. Please don't try and confuscate matters now with a "pro-rata" debate that you tried to introduce half way through the thread, once you realised you were going to have difficulty justifying the comments against unvaccinated individuals.
Own your prejudices and deal with them, you're only kidding yourself with the nonsense you're now posting up.
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Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 13:22 - Jan 5 with 1054 views
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 13:20 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks
NO.....what you and the rest have been saying (look at your own posts and others in this thread) is that the great unvaccinated are "selfish", "thick", "clearly the unvaccinated are causing problems/issues for everyone else" "hospitals are needlessly strained". You have all marginalised and discriminated against a group of people based on vaccination status and tried to use "statistics" to back up your agendas, when actually all evidence points towards the exact opposite, as you would rationally expect given such a large number of people are vaccinated.
You have all sought to blame the unvaccinated for hospital stresses/strains, but the reality is that hospital resources are being used in the vast majority by vaccinated individuals, those are the facts of the matter and represented in all data, whether you choose to ignore it, or not. Please don't try and confuscate matters now with a "pro-rata" debate that you tried to introduce half way through the thread, once you realised you were going to have difficulty justifying the comments against unvaccinated individuals.
Own your prejudices and deal with them, you're only kidding yourself with the nonsense you're now posting up.
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 13:20 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks
NO.....what you and the rest have been saying (look at your own posts and others in this thread) is that the great unvaccinated are "selfish", "thick", "clearly the unvaccinated are causing problems/issues for everyone else" "hospitals are needlessly strained". You have all marginalised and discriminated against a group of people based on vaccination status and tried to use "statistics" to back up your agendas, when actually all evidence points towards the exact opposite, as you would rationally expect given such a large number of people are vaccinated.
You have all sought to blame the unvaccinated for hospital stresses/strains, but the reality is that hospital resources are being used in the vast majority by vaccinated individuals, those are the facts of the matter and represented in all data, whether you choose to ignore it, or not. Please don't try and confuscate matters now with a "pro-rata" debate that you tried to introduce half way through the thread, once you realised you were going to have difficulty justifying the comments against unvaccinated individuals.
Own your prejudices and deal with them, you're only kidding yourself with the nonsense you're now posting up.
Are you going to tackle this tyrrany one football forum at a time?
Dear old footers KC - Private Counsel to Big Farmer - Liberator of Vichy TWTD
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 13:20 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks
NO.....what you and the rest have been saying (look at your own posts and others in this thread) is that the great unvaccinated are "selfish", "thick", "clearly the unvaccinated are causing problems/issues for everyone else" "hospitals are needlessly strained". You have all marginalised and discriminated against a group of people based on vaccination status and tried to use "statistics" to back up your agendas, when actually all evidence points towards the exact opposite, as you would rationally expect given such a large number of people are vaccinated.
You have all sought to blame the unvaccinated for hospital stresses/strains, but the reality is that hospital resources are being used in the vast majority by vaccinated individuals, those are the facts of the matter and represented in all data, whether you choose to ignore it, or not. Please don't try and confuscate matters now with a "pro-rata" debate that you tried to introduce half way through the thread, once you realised you were going to have difficulty justifying the comments against unvaccinated individuals.
Own your prejudices and deal with them, you're only kidding yourself with the nonsense you're now posting up.
The bit I don't understand is how unvaccinated people are being discriminated against?
If we were in France with its passports or Austria with its upcoming mandate (if they're still doing that?) then I'd get you, but how are unvaccinated people being mistreated here?
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Seems I'm missing a twtd 'pile on'....have fun boys and girls. I should think that the percentage not wanting to get vaccinated in France probably exceeds the percentage here that approved of those insulation protesters so it's probably ok for Pritti and co to piss them off too with creepingly draconian legislation. (Feck it let's take the same path for flu vaccination to.)
Oh well, back to work.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 13:20 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks
NO.....what you and the rest have been saying (look at your own posts and others in this thread) is that the great unvaccinated are "selfish", "thick", "clearly the unvaccinated are causing problems/issues for everyone else" "hospitals are needlessly strained". You have all marginalised and discriminated against a group of people based on vaccination status and tried to use "statistics" to back up your agendas, when actually all evidence points towards the exact opposite, as you would rationally expect given such a large number of people are vaccinated.
You have all sought to blame the unvaccinated for hospital stresses/strains, but the reality is that hospital resources are being used in the vast majority by vaccinated individuals, those are the facts of the matter and represented in all data, whether you choose to ignore it, or not. Please don't try and confuscate matters now with a "pro-rata" debate that you tried to introduce half way through the thread, once you realised you were going to have difficulty justifying the comments against unvaccinated individuals.
Own your prejudices and deal with them, you're only kidding yourself with the nonsense you're now posting up.
You're clearly having trouble understanding my posts, I apologise for the complex ideas contained within them and acknowledge that they might be more evidence-based and statistically accurate than you're used to dealing with.
SB
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Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 13:40 - Jan 5 with 1015 views
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 13:35 - Jan 5 by BanksterDebtSlave
Seems I'm missing a twtd 'pile on'....have fun boys and girls. I should think that the percentage not wanting to get vaccinated in France probably exceeds the percentage here that approved of those insulation protesters so it's probably ok for Pritti and co to piss them off too with creepingly draconian legislation. (Feck it let's take the same path for flu vaccination to.)
Oh well, back to work.
How exactly is the thread a "pile-on"?
He's been asked repeatedly and politely to provide evidence and he refuses to do so.
Let's not start of the flu false equivalences again please, it's not early 2020.
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 11:37 - Jan 5 by StokieBlue
Why would I stop asking you for evidence to prove your assertions?
That is how a debate, especially scientific ones work. I've provided evidence for my assertion, you've disputed it but repeatedly refused to provide evidence to support your views.
You're attempts to change the narrative into one citing an equivalence to racism and right wing views is frankly awful. It's especially odd given the right wing are hugely influential in the anti-vax movement.
Now, for the 4th time, please post some evidence for your assertions or stop making them.
SB
Your patience in these threads is to be greatly admired. Agree 100 per cent with you points regarding how a debate should be conducted and the offensiveness of the equivalence drawn with racism, the Holocaust etc.
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Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 13:55 - Jan 5 with 973 views
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:56 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks
If you bothered to look for numbers that are actually representative of the truth, rather than grabbing the most suitable media led BS fed to the sheeple to suit your agenda, then you'd very quickly be able to dispel the nonsense being purported by yourself and several others on here and have a realistic view of what is going on in hospitals and the real numbers of beds taken by the unvaccinated.
The BMJ wouldn't be a bad place to start.
Or the official figures released yesterday where 90% of people in icu in hospitals currently have no booster and 60% in icu have no vaccine at all………. Don’t let your own lack of free thinking cloud your judgement!
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 12:52 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks
Whatever you do, don't point to the Countries that had a very near 100% complete population vaccination programme, who then went on to record the highest new Covid case rates and hospitalisations in the World......that wouldn't fit the agenda against "the great unvaccinated" and doesn't make for good headlines when Governments are desperately seeking to control people.
You do understand the difference between vaccinated people catching a milder case of covid and unvaxxed people taking up icu beds in hospitals unnecessarily don’t you?
I’ll assume that you are an adult in which case how have you managed to stay alive for so long without supervision?
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 09:56 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks
If you bothered to look for numbers that are actually representative of the truth, rather than grabbing the most suitable media led BS fed to the sheeple to suit your agenda, then you'd very quickly be able to dispel the nonsense being purported by yourself and several others on here and have a realistic view of what is going on in hospitals and the real numbers of beds taken by the unvaccinated.
The BMJ wouldn't be a bad place to start.
I have tried to look at the numbers over and over and keep coming to the conclusion that most of the Covid beds are taken by the unvaccinated.
I would sooner have straight talker like Macron leading the country than a total buffoon who splutters incoherent rubbish interspersed by a bit of irrelevant Latin and saves his offensive comments for racism and homphobia.
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Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 14:08 - Jan 5 with 937 views
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 13:53 - Jan 5 by PhilTWTD
Your patience in these threads is to be greatly admired. Agree 100 per cent with you points regarding how a debate should be conducted and the offensiveness of the equivalence drawn with racism, the Holocaust etc.
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Patience in the thread? Don't make me laugh, who exactly are you kidding? .......here's a little test for you, go back through the thread and replace the word "unvaccinated" with "blacks" "chinese" "jews" "christians" or any other variant of your choosing and tell me if it would be an acceptable thread on the forum.
Marginalising and discriminating against unvaccinated individuals, is no different to any other kind of marginalisation, or discrimination and if you none of you can see that, then god help us all.
FYI - at no point did I mention the Holocaust, or racism, those comparisons were drawn by others, I simply referred to discrimination and marginalisation, but don't let facts get in the way, eh?
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Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 14:10 - Jan 5 with 923 views
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 14:08 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks
Patience in the thread? Don't make me laugh, who exactly are you kidding? .......here's a little test for you, go back through the thread and replace the word "unvaccinated" with "blacks" "chinese" "jews" "christians" or any other variant of your choosing and tell me if it would be an acceptable thread on the forum.
Marginalising and discriminating against unvaccinated individuals, is no different to any other kind of marginalisation, or discrimination and if you none of you can see that, then god help us all.
FYI - at no point did I mention the Holocaust, or racism, those comparisons were drawn by others, I simply referred to discrimination and marginalisation, but don't let facts get in the way, eh?
Do me a favour, delete my account, I'm done with all the c**ts on here
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Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 14:14 - Jan 5 with 909 views
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 14:08 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks
Patience in the thread? Don't make me laugh, who exactly are you kidding? .......here's a little test for you, go back through the thread and replace the word "unvaccinated" with "blacks" "chinese" "jews" "christians" or any other variant of your choosing and tell me if it would be an acceptable thread on the forum.
Marginalising and discriminating against unvaccinated individuals, is no different to any other kind of marginalisation, or discrimination and if you none of you can see that, then god help us all.
FYI - at no point did I mention the Holocaust, or racism, those comparisons were drawn by others, I simply referred to discrimination and marginalisation, but don't let facts get in the way, eh?
Maybe you’d like to reconsider your middle paragraph based on facts!
The reason that hospitals are under strain is because of the unvaxxed taking up the extra beds, that’s a FACT, we’re it not for BoJo being quite so soft and liberal we would be under more stringent restrictions right now, is that because of the entire population or because of unvaccinated people?
A simple answer will suffice and then you’ll see just how ridiculous your paragraph sounds!
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 14:08 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks
Patience in the thread? Don't make me laugh, who exactly are you kidding? .......here's a little test for you, go back through the thread and replace the word "unvaccinated" with "blacks" "chinese" "jews" "christians" or any other variant of your choosing and tell me if it would be an acceptable thread on the forum.
Marginalising and discriminating against unvaccinated individuals, is no different to any other kind of marginalisation, or discrimination and if you none of you can see that, then god help us all.
FYI - at no point did I mention the Holocaust, or racism, those comparisons were drawn by others, I simply referred to discrimination and marginalisation, but don't let facts get in the way, eh?
"Marginalising and discriminating against unvaccinated individuals, is no different to any other kind of marginalisation, or discrimination and if you none of you can see that, then god help us all."
Whilst I'm not for "marginalising" or abusing unvaccinated people, there is a very clear difference between that and some of the other classes of people you described.
For religious people there is a very long and troubling history of violence against people of pretty much any religion, whilst being say black or Chinese is not a choice.
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 14:08 - Jan 5 by TooManyCooks
Patience in the thread? Don't make me laugh, who exactly are you kidding? .......here's a little test for you, go back through the thread and replace the word "unvaccinated" with "blacks" "chinese" "jews" "christians" or any other variant of your choosing and tell me if it would be an acceptable thread on the forum.
Marginalising and discriminating against unvaccinated individuals, is no different to any other kind of marginalisation, or discrimination and if you none of you can see that, then god help us all.
FYI - at no point did I mention the Holocaust, or racism, those comparisons were drawn by others, I simply referred to discrimination and marginalisation, but don't let facts get in the way, eh?
The continual comparison of those who choose not to vaccinate with racial or religious groups is a false equivalence. Any restrictions which may be faced are entirely down to their own decision not to take a vaccine, one which not only impacts upon their own safety but that of others. And not just due to Covid itself but other health issues with hospitals unnecessarily filled to the rafters. There is no comparison with the examples you cite.
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Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 14:23 - Jan 5 with 857 views
Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 14:18 - Jan 5 by PhilTWTD
The continual comparison of those who choose not to vaccinate with racial or religious groups is a false equivalence. Any restrictions which may be faced are entirely down to their own decision not to take a vaccine, one which not only impacts upon their own safety but that of others. And not just due to Covid itself but other health issues with hospitals unnecessarily filled to the rafters. There is no comparison with the examples you cite.
Phil that is far too rational for the person whose teddy has just thudded into the corner! The position taken by him/her would be dismantled in a Year 9 classroom.
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Macron wants to piss off the unvaccinated on 14:28 - Jan 5 with 846 views
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