| Wish I had voted Leave now! 18:56 - Jan 28 with 4670 views | cbower |
It's truly been an epiphany for me and I must have a large piece of humble pie. I never realised how wide ranging the advantages of leaving the EU are. I feel obliged to list them all now as a kind of personal catharsis and redemption to confess how wrong I was to vote Remain. So here goes:
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 23:08 - Jan 28 with 1378 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 23:00 - Jan 28 by XYZ |
We 100% had the freedom to do so.
We'd have worked with our partners to come up with a better solution than either eventually came up with.
"I'm a remainer 100%, but ..."
170,000 RIPs |
Bigger committees, quicker decisions? |  |
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 23:10 - Jan 28 with 1372 views | Sparky85 |
Fair point, but I believe we are the biggest country by population in that top 8?
Also, that’s looking at now, I am referring back to the Delta variant days which were so much more severe. I’m thinking like May/June last year. Everyone has had the chance to catch up now |  | | |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 23:13 - Jan 28 with 1344 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 23:00 - Jan 28 by XYZ |
We 100% had the freedom to do so.
We'd have worked with our partners to come up with a better solution than either eventually came up with.
"I'm a remainer 100%, but ..."
170,000 RIPs |
That's absolute b0llocks.
The non political bird who was the brain of it said quite unequivocally that it could not have been done at that stage if we had been part of the EU |  |
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 23:13 - Jan 28 with 1345 views | footers |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 23:02 - Jan 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
....and what do you believe Footers!! |
I'm a socialist and a statist. Sorry. |  |
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 23:24 - Jan 28 with 1321 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 23:13 - Jan 28 by footers |
I'm a socialist and a statist. Sorry. |
The bigger the state the more socialist it gets? | |
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 23:37 - Jan 28 with 1311 views | footers |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 23:24 - Jan 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
The bigger the state the more socialist it gets? |
It's a nation of 70m rural gardeners, so obviously not. | |
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 23:48 - Jan 28 with 1306 views | StokieBlue |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 22:22 - Jan 28 by Sparky85 |
Could’ve - exactly
Would it have been though?
I was, and still am really a remainer. But after the sh1tshow that was Europe during the initial vaccine rollout, I was glad we left |
It might have been a poor start for the EU but currently the UK is behind Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Ireland and Portugal (probably others as well) in regards to the percentage of the population that is fully vaccinated. We are roughly equal with most with regards to the booster.
The Tories constantly cite the vaccination programme as a success and the best in the world and it's certainly been good but the best in the world narrative is very arguable now.
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 00:22 - Jan 29 with 1277 views | XYZ |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 23:13 - Jan 28 by Lord_Lucan |
That's absolute b0llocks.
The non political bird who was the brain of it said quite unequivocally that it could not have been done at that stage if we had been part of the EU |
I'm afraid you're just wrong.
You're going on "feelings" and "what I reckon" rather than facts.
Either way, the facts show we're now 8th. The facts show our death rates are near the top. where's the success in that?
What's behind your desire to paint a picture that is at odds with the facts?
RIP to the 338 reported to have died yesterday (only topped by Italy in Europe) and the 277 reported today (only topped by Italy in Europe).
Well done the UK Government, according to Lucan. | | | |
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 00:37 - Jan 29 with 1261 views | jeera |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 22:43 - Jan 28 by Lord_Lucan |
Whooaa here
I remain a remainer but 100% but we couldn't have done what we did if we were still part of the EU.
Gotta love the England knockers - Ukraine - Germany sends 1000 helmets, UK sends more than that in people.
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I think you may be replying to the wrong post.
I haven't knocked England/Britain anywhere.
Johnson et al rejected Germany's offer of an open source T & T system when we didn't have one up and running. That's not my opinion, that's what happened. It was a pointless decision and no more than a cheap stunt that slowed that side of things down. Where we should have been co operating we were self-indulging in BS notions of grandeur.
I can't spot what I'm supposed to be 'whooaahing' about.
I maintain that the UK was and would be better off within the EU membership and cannot fathom for the life of me that a great number of people who have prospered under that membership suddenly thought we'd be better off out of it.
This is a conversation I've held a hundred times with many friends and members of my family and not one of them has to date come up with a sensible response.
I have however come across this bizarre cop-out of how I am supposedly against my country for wanting what I believe is best for it comments like yours there.
It made no sense when they said it and it makes no sense now.
Bit insulted if I'm honest mate.
Edit: I'm putting a Prince track onto your thread for that btw.
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 01:05 - Jan 29 with 1236 views | XYZ |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 00:37 - Jan 29 by jeera |
I think you may be replying to the wrong post.
I haven't knocked England/Britain anywhere.
Johnson et al rejected Germany's offer of an open source T & T system when we didn't have one up and running. That's not my opinion, that's what happened. It was a pointless decision and no more than a cheap stunt that slowed that side of things down. Where we should have been co operating we were self-indulging in BS notions of grandeur.
I can't spot what I'm supposed to be 'whooaahing' about.
I maintain that the UK was and would be better off within the EU membership and cannot fathom for the life of me that a great number of people who have prospered under that membership suddenly thought we'd be better off out of it.
This is a conversation I've held a hundred times with many friends and members of my family and not one of them has to date come up with a sensible response.
I have however come across this bizarre cop-out of how I am supposedly against my country for wanting what I believe is best for it comments like yours there.
It made no sense when they said it and it makes no sense now.
Bit insulted if I'm honest mate.
Edit: I'm putting a Prince track onto your thread for that btw.
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"I have however come across this bizarre cop-out of how I am supposedly against my country for wanting what I believe is best for it comments like yours there.
It made no sense when they said it and it makes no sense now."
In a nutshell.
I'd bet you never get a serious respectful response.
What's the motive in supposed "100% remainers" characterising views that are clearly concerned about Britain's future are "anti-Britain".
The damage is already becoming tangible and Brexit, in terms of full customs border controls, hasn't really happened yet. | | | |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 06:23 - Jan 29 with 1157 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 23:13 - Jan 28 by Lord_Lucan |
That's absolute b0llocks.
The non political bird who was the brain of it said quite unequivocally that it could not have been done at that stage if we had been part of the EU |
Our Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) assessed and approved the Pfizer vaccine between October and December 2020, when we were still operating under all the relevant EU legislation in the transition period. Similarly, no EU member state had to take part in the EU procurement scheme.
They're provable facts. Whether we may have operated the same way if not for Brexit (for political reasons) is another matter. But we most definitely could have done exactly what we did without Brexit. |  |
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 07:23 - Jan 29 with 1138 views | RamRob |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 00:22 - Jan 29 by XYZ |
I'm afraid you're just wrong.
You're going on "feelings" and "what I reckon" rather than facts.
Either way, the facts show we're now 8th. The facts show our death rates are near the top. where's the success in that?
What's behind your desire to paint a picture that is at odds with the facts?
RIP to the 338 reported to have died yesterday (only topped by Italy in Europe) and the 277 reported today (only topped by Italy in Europe).
Well done the UK Government, according to Lucan. |
To be fair an argument about whether we would've been able to strike our own Vaccine deals if we were still in the EU can only be about "feelings" and "what I reckon", because we just don't know what would've happened.
I think if we were still part of the EU and our deals caused delays for the rest of Europe, there would've been a massive political outcry and the EU probably would have punished us for it. |  |
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 09:11 - Jan 29 with 1087 views | Sparky85 |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 00:22 - Jan 29 by XYZ |
I'm afraid you're just wrong.
You're going on "feelings" and "what I reckon" rather than facts.
Either way, the facts show we're now 8th. The facts show our death rates are near the top. where's the success in that?
What's behind your desire to paint a picture that is at odds with the facts?
RIP to the 338 reported to have died yesterday (only topped by Italy in Europe) and the 277 reported today (only topped by Italy in Europe).
Well done the UK Government, according to Lucan. |
We’re 8th now because of take up. That’s got nothing to do with vaccine supply. Other countries are being a lot more strict about them. Which has lead to rioting etc which we can be pleased we never got to.
In terms of the death rate being near the top, it actually isn’t. You need to look at deaths per million population to get a true reflection and I believe we are 30th.
Agree on your penultimate line though. Every one of those, what went before and what is to come is a tragedy. | | | |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 09:17 - Jan 29 with 1072 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 09:11 - Jan 29 by Sparky85 |
We’re 8th now because of take up. That’s got nothing to do with vaccine supply. Other countries are being a lot more strict about them. Which has lead to rioting etc which we can be pleased we never got to.
In terms of the death rate being near the top, it actually isn’t. You need to look at deaths per million population to get a true reflection and I believe we are 30th.
Agree on your penultimate line though. Every one of those, what went before and what is to come is a tragedy. |
Correct about take up....the EU states definitely have a tendency for greater authoritarianism. | |
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 09:37 - Jan 29 with 1043 views | tractordownsouth |
We’ve found a benefit!
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 09:42 - Jan 29 with 1026 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 09:37 - Jan 29 by tractordownsouth |
We’ve found a benefit!
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I've never seen someone look so much better in profile than face on....incredible! | |
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 09:58 - Jan 29 with 1009 views | MalcolmBlue |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 22:22 - Jan 28 by Sparky85 |
Could’ve - exactly
Would it have been though?
I was, and still am really a remainer. But after the sh1tshow that was Europe during the initial vaccine rollout, I was glad we left |
Hungary did it, so yes quite easily. Health is a member state competency rather than the EU. The EU is about regulatory alignment as it’s a trading bloc, it’s a single market not a superstate. Other member states waited for the EU approval of vaccines so they weren’t legally culpable and so they could get vaccines at a more favourable rate as the EU was buying them in bulk.
In any case the EU is ahead of both the US and the UK when it comes to fully vaccinated percentages, so I’m not quite sure what your argument even is. |  |
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 10:17 - Jan 29 with 982 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 09:37 - Jan 29 by tractordownsouth |
We’ve found a benefit!
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Er, didn’t we already have that benefit? Anyway, I shouldn’t knock it, even if they’re only replacing what we already had, applying to 0.00066% of our imports from the EU. Groundbreaking stuff!
I just wish the Lyn didn’t make such a song and dance about a trivial rollover deal. I wonder what our fisherfolk think of this given a major justification of Brexit was supposed to be to protect our fishing industry? | |
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 10:19 - Jan 29 with 979 views | giant_stow |
The only one I can think of is we're off the 'ever closer union' road.
I wanted to remain but remain in the happy status quo we had of half in half out. Not sure how sustainable that position would have been in the long term and would never have wanted to lose the pound or the control it brings. [Post edited 29 Jan 2022 10:20]
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 10:36 - Jan 29 with 956 views | Geomorph |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 22:44 - Jan 28 by footers |
Catch up, jeera. Banksy wants an anarchist agrarian society!
Nowt but plants, poverty and feudalism. The way forward, innit. [Post edited 28 Jan 2022 22:51]
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Surely we have become that plant based society… a complete banana republic nowadays |  | | |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 10:47 - Jan 29 with 946 views | Churchman |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 09:58 - Jan 29 by MalcolmBlue |
Hungary did it, so yes quite easily. Health is a member state competency rather than the EU. The EU is about regulatory alignment as it’s a trading bloc, it’s a single market not a superstate. Other member states waited for the EU approval of vaccines so they weren’t legally culpable and so they could get vaccines at a more favourable rate as the EU was buying them in bulk.
In any case the EU is ahead of both the US and the UK when it comes to fully vaccinated percentages, so I’m not quite sure what your argument even is. |
So in waiting for EU regulatory approval, which was slow, for legal culpability reasons and for cheaper vaccine, they put these elements before speed and in turn the well-being of their people. Interesting.
As for fully vaccinated do you mean two vaccinations or including the booster? If you are including the booster, which is rather important if we are talking about Omicron, the U.K. is not behind the EU bar Denmark or the US according to the stats I’m looking at. It would of course have done far better but for the anti-vaxxers and if the government had shown some backbone in dealing with people refusing it. Near me, the vaccination place is doing walk ins and nobody was there when I passed it yesterday.
I see France recorded 350k new cases yesterday and Germany 188k. This dreadful virus seems to surge in waves, given the peak appears to have passed in the U.K. just a meagre 88k. Jeez.
This is just an observation based on a very quick nose at the internet. For decent, well researched information on this mess, I always defer to SB and those TWDers working on the front line. |  | | |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 10:51 - Jan 29 with 942 views | Geomorph |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 10:47 - Jan 29 by Churchman |
So in waiting for EU regulatory approval, which was slow, for legal culpability reasons and for cheaper vaccine, they put these elements before speed and in turn the well-being of their people. Interesting.
As for fully vaccinated do you mean two vaccinations or including the booster? If you are including the booster, which is rather important if we are talking about Omicron, the U.K. is not behind the EU bar Denmark or the US according to the stats I’m looking at. It would of course have done far better but for the anti-vaxxers and if the government had shown some backbone in dealing with people refusing it. Near me, the vaccination place is doing walk ins and nobody was there when I passed it yesterday.
I see France recorded 350k new cases yesterday and Germany 188k. This dreadful virus seems to surge in waves, given the peak appears to have passed in the U.K. just a meagre 88k. Jeez.
This is just an observation based on a very quick nose at the internet. For decent, well researched information on this mess, I always defer to SB and those TWDers working on the front line. |
Yet still we ‘beat’ them on deaths.. hmmmm | | | |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 11:28 - Jan 29 with 921 views | MalcolmBlue |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 10:47 - Jan 29 by Churchman |
So in waiting for EU regulatory approval, which was slow, for legal culpability reasons and for cheaper vaccine, they put these elements before speed and in turn the well-being of their people. Interesting.
As for fully vaccinated do you mean two vaccinations or including the booster? If you are including the booster, which is rather important if we are talking about Omicron, the U.K. is not behind the EU bar Denmark or the US according to the stats I’m looking at. It would of course have done far better but for the anti-vaxxers and if the government had shown some backbone in dealing with people refusing it. Near me, the vaccination place is doing walk ins and nobody was there when I passed it yesterday.
I see France recorded 350k new cases yesterday and Germany 188k. This dreadful virus seems to surge in waves, given the peak appears to have passed in the U.K. just a meagre 88k. Jeez.
This is just an observation based on a very quick nose at the internet. For decent, well researched information on this mess, I always defer to SB and those TWDers working on the front line. |
Yeah I guess not every government plays fast and loose when it comes to the mass injection of novel vaccines into their citizens’ arms. Don’t forget the situation in the UK at the time was so dire it was a gamble they had to make, meanwhile in the EU governments successfully managed to flatten the curve with lockdowns and other measures, which bought them time to be more careful.
As for the covid stats I’m using the table on https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations which I believe is run by the university of Oxford.
They have it as “share of people fully vaccinated against COVID-19”
EU - 71.02%
UK - 70.84%
US - 63.42% [Post edited 29 Jan 2022 11:34]
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| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 12:27 - Jan 29 with 896 views | Churchman |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 11:28 - Jan 29 by MalcolmBlue |
Yeah I guess not every government plays fast and loose when it comes to the mass injection of novel vaccines into their citizens’ arms. Don’t forget the situation in the UK at the time was so dire it was a gamble they had to make, meanwhile in the EU governments successfully managed to flatten the curve with lockdowns and other measures, which bought them time to be more careful.
As for the covid stats I’m using the table on https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations which I believe is run by the university of Oxford.
They have it as “share of people fully vaccinated against COVID-19”
EU - 71.02%
UK - 70.84%
US - 63.42% [Post edited 29 Jan 2022 11:34]
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In the definitions it says:
‘Alternative definitions of a full vaccination, e.g. having been infected with SARS-CoV-2 and having 1 dose of a 2-dose protocol, are ignored to maximize comparability between countries.’
So the stats you quote at for a max 2 vaccinations (Omicron needs the booster) and even that difference between the EU and the U.K. on those is only 0.18. Statistics and lies - there’s been a lot of that,
There was no gamble in the U.K. and with the use of the word ‘more careful’ and ‘fast and loose’ you imply that a risk was taken because the U.K. had to while it was all sunlit uplands in Europe. Fine, but I don’t remember it that way and I believe that’s very unfair on the regulatory people that worked so hard.
The regulators here, who made up a good proportion of the EU regulators once upon a time, from what I’ve read did their part faster and more effectively than their EU counterparts and I believe they deserve credit for that. If you’ve evidence that shows they were pressured politically to approve without doing the necessary work, I’d be interested to see it. | | | |
| Wish I had voted Leave now! on 12:47 - Jan 29 with 893 views | Trequartista |
I voted to remain, on balance, but i have to be honest, it's not been the catastrophe that was predicted. I don't think anyone except those in the Leave campaign were expecting any financial benefits from leaving, it was all about sovereignty really. Had the common market not turned into a vehicle for political union, we'd still be in it. |  |
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