| Kurt Zouma and cats 14:11 - Feb 9 with 10348 views | homer_123 |
I'm posting this more out of interest as much as anything.
What he did was wrong and I've no idea why it was videoed etc. just bizarre.
That being said - I eat meat as do those pillorying him - we rear animals to slaughter, in fact we rear them on such a scale that is has devastating effects on the environment.
I find it interesting that, on the one hand, electrocuting and/or putting a bolt through an animals head and killing it doesn't seem to raise the same concern/outrage as the events of yesterday.
I wonder why that is? |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:32 - Feb 10 with 1058 views | J2BLUE |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 10:32 - Feb 10 by Vaughan8 |
"I treat all animals equally"
So that means all animals surely. Surely we aren't just talking about killing with that statement? Or that is what I was trying to gather.
"I treat all animals the same in terms of killing" Ok yes, but then kicking a cat (who is a household pet, AKA a menber of your family hence the question) and killing a chicken isn't the same thing then?. The other statement is not true unfortunately. Not sure what is difficult to understand.
Also, he seems to be standing on a pedastool, when he doesn't seem to check where all his food comes from. Sorry I forgot you can't have a conversation on here.
Your last sentence suggests you don't understand what i'm asking about. That isn't what i'm compared. If you treat everyone the same, which is what was said, then surtely it implies ALL. Clearly it doesn't
Anyhow, I'll leave it there now. Each to our own. [Post edited 10 Feb 2022 10:41]
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You took it to an absolute extreme to try and prove a point. Even if we say you're right, what have you really proven? Surely we are talking about doing unnecessary harm? Sometimes people with passionate beliefs might be a bit overzealous when making their point but the fact you're choosing to focus on this and not the actual point is telling. |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:36 - Feb 10 with 1042 views | Vaughan8 |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:25 - Feb 10 by monytowbray |
No everyone just thinks you are thick and odd.
Where does Bob fit into all of this now? Did he kick the chicken? Who should I murder? [Post edited 10 Feb 2022 11:27]
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Turn to insults yes. That is it. |  | | |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:40 - Feb 10 with 1039 views | Vaughan8 |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:32 - Feb 10 by J2BLUE |
You took it to an absolute extreme to try and prove a point. Even if we say you're right, what have you really proven? Surely we are talking about doing unnecessary harm? Sometimes people with passionate beliefs might be a bit overzealous when making their point but the fact you're choosing to focus on this and not the actual point is telling. |
Ok maybe the examples are not strictly right but I was struggling to get an exact eample. I am sorry. if you have a better one then please say it.
I had to take it to extremes for people to understand.... haha
The point is a pet is a family member. Bob isn't a family member but your mum/brother etc is. so you treat them differently.
The other points are, he doesn't treat every animal the same and so the pedastal he was standing on, he should get off it.
Apparently i'm odd and thick so we will leave it there. The point is, we are all hypocritical and so to attack certain people about it is uncalled for. [Post edited 10 Feb 2022 11:41]
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:44 - Feb 10 with 1015 views | Vaughan8 |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 09:39 - Feb 10 by LevelTheLand |
I have been reading this forum for many years, and for much of that time I have agreed with Callis' views, but not necessarily the way he puts them across (sorry).
However, I really can't see where he has put a foot wrong here. People seem to be trying to justify their own consumption of meat, by calling Callis a hypocrite for occasionally, inadvertently eating insects that have died on a piece of fruit or veg. I personally think he has done remarkably well to keep as calm as he has, with some of the ridiculous hypothetical scenarios that have been thrown his way.
Having said that, just buy Bob a little something for his birthday, Callis. |
But he treats all living things the same | | | |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:45 - Feb 10 with 1003 views | Vaughan8 |
Ok to end this, I agree kicking a cat is EXACTLY the same as killing an animal.
Thanks for the discussion! | | | |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:49 - Feb 10 with 979 views | J2BLUE |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:45 - Feb 10 by Vaughan8 |
Ok to end this, I agree kicking a cat is EXACTLY the same as killing an animal.
Thanks for the discussion! |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:50 - Feb 10 with 974 views | Vaughan8 |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:49 - Feb 10 by J2BLUE |
...no it isn't |
Ok whatever you want me to say haha | | | |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:54 - Feb 10 with 951 views | monytowbray |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:36 - Feb 10 by Vaughan8 |
Turn to insults yes. That is it. |
You think you’ve come across reasonable in this thread? Lol. |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:56 - Feb 10 with 946 views | monytowbray |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:44 - Feb 10 by Vaughan8 |
But he treats all living things the same |
No one has any idea what these means still.
What exactly are you implying I’ve done wrong or tripped up on?
Explain how this works. A to B. | |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:56 - Feb 10 with 952 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:54 - Feb 10 by monytowbray |
You think you’ve come across reasonable in this thread? Lol. |
How has this thread gone on so long?
Some people like meat, they dont care what happens before hand, they eat it
Some people don't like what happens before hand and they eat veg
The end |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 12:03 - Feb 10 with 937 views | BarcaBlue |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:56 - Feb 10 by FrimleyBlue |
How has this thread gone on so long?
Some people like meat, they dont care what happens before hand, they eat it
Some people don't like what happens before hand and they eat veg
The end |
Yeah, that's completely how things work in life, black, white and binary. |  | | |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 12:22 - Feb 10 with 905 views | WeWereZombies |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 10:28 - Feb 10 by Leaky |
Strange animals die every day of the week & get eaten by something. Could be a weak wildebeest eaten by a lion , a pheasant hit by a car & eaten by foxes , crows ect. The only reason humans are not consumed is because we dispose of our dead by burial or cremation. |
'instead of burying the corpse, Zoroastrians traditionally laid it out on a purpose built tower (dokhma or 'Tower of Silence') to be exposed to the sun and eaten by birds of prey such as vultures.'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/zoroastrian/ritesrituals/funerals.shtml |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 13:19 - Feb 10 with 867 views | monytowbray |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:56 - Feb 10 by FrimleyBlue |
How has this thread gone on so long?
Some people like meat, they dont care what happens before hand, they eat it
Some people don't like what happens before hand and they eat veg
The end |
That's the truth.
The reason it's gone on though? Sadly the former seem to get very upset about the latter and it causes them to talk boll0cks.
Alas, here we are.
Bob down the road f**ked your cat. | |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 13:19 - Feb 10 with 863 views | monytowbray |
Black Metal has been around in some form for thousands of years, they just hadn't invented the electric guitar and distortion pedals yet. | |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 13:23 - Feb 10 with 852 views | WeWereZombies |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 13:19 - Feb 10 by monytowbray |
Black Metal has been around in some form for thousands of years, they just hadn't invented the electric guitar and distortion pedals yet. |
Another way of looking at this is that if we are buried a proportion of our dead bodies are consumed by worms and other soil dwelling animals, they just don't happen to be animals that some human beings recognise as sentient in any way, whereas vultures get a role or two in 'The Jungle Book'. | |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 13:40 - Feb 10 with 818 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 10:32 - Feb 10 by Vaughan8 |
"I treat all animals equally"
So that means all animals surely. Surely we aren't just talking about killing with that statement? Or that is what I was trying to gather.
"I treat all animals the same in terms of killing" Ok yes, but then kicking a cat (who is a household pet, AKA a menber of your family hence the question) and killing a chicken isn't the same thing then?. The other statement is not true unfortunately. Not sure what is difficult to understand.
Also, he seems to be standing on a pedastool, when he doesn't seem to check where all his food comes from. Sorry I forgot you can't have a conversation on here.
Your last sentence suggests you don't understand what i'm asking about. That isn't what i'm compared. If you treat everyone the same, which is what was said, then surtely it implies ALL. Clearly it doesn't
Anyhow, I'll leave it there now. Each to our own. [Post edited 10 Feb 2022 10:41]
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This line of questioning just makes yourself look pathetic and stupid. I'd put the shovel down if I were you. |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 13:45 - Feb 10 with 810 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:40 - Feb 10 by Vaughan8 |
Ok maybe the examples are not strictly right but I was struggling to get an exact eample. I am sorry. if you have a better one then please say it.
I had to take it to extremes for people to understand.... haha
The point is a pet is a family member. Bob isn't a family member but your mum/brother etc is. so you treat them differently.
The other points are, he doesn't treat every animal the same and so the pedastal he was standing on, he should get off it.
Apparently i'm odd and thick so we will leave it there. The point is, we are all hypocritical and so to attack certain people about it is uncalled for. [Post edited 10 Feb 2022 11:41]
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He treats them the same in terms of not killing them. He's more likely to give hugs to his family than Bob, or buy a toy for his cat rather than the chicken, because they're part of his immediate circle and he has more connection to them.
If he kills a bug because he eats an apple, that was an accident.
None of this is difficult to understand. | |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 13:47 - Feb 10 with 804 views | eireblue |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 11:56 - Feb 10 by FrimleyBlue |
How has this thread gone on so long?
Some people like meat, they dont care what happens before hand, they eat it
Some people don't like what happens before hand and they eat veg
The end |
Let me give you a historical illustration on why it isn’t that simple.
Some people like to think Black Africans are sub-human and are suitable as slaves to be traded.
Some people didn’t think that.
Well that is easy to resolve. One set of people have slaves, the second set don’t.
The end.
You can play with this in a number of ways.
Some people like to think of animals as soulless automations with no feelings and can treated in any way as deemed by the owner. (Some philosophers form back in the day)
Some people didn’t.
Well this is easy, one set of people can be as cruel as they like to animals, the second group can choose not to mistreat animals.
The end.
Hmmmm, …maybe..perhaps,…. have I missed a point of view when simple dividing the issue into two groups to make life easy to get to “the end”….not sure..hmmmm… |  | | |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 14:28 - Feb 10 with 771 views | monytowbray |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 13:47 - Feb 10 by eireblue |
Let me give you a historical illustration on why it isn’t that simple.
Some people like to think Black Africans are sub-human and are suitable as slaves to be traded.
Some people didn’t think that.
Well that is easy to resolve. One set of people have slaves, the second set don’t.
The end.
You can play with this in a number of ways.
Some people like to think of animals as soulless automations with no feelings and can treated in any way as deemed by the owner. (Some philosophers form back in the day)
Some people didn’t.
Well this is easy, one set of people can be as cruel as they like to animals, the second group can choose not to mistreat animals.
The end.
Hmmmm, …maybe..perhaps,…. have I missed a point of view when simple dividing the issue into two groups to make life easy to get to “the end”….not sure..hmmmm… |
I love the way we say the exact same thing yet you're the reasonable one and I'm preachy according to some :)
I think I have it now. What Vaughan has done is move the goal posts to say it's okay to not give a f**k about anyone outside your immediate circle because he doesn't, and tried to justify we are the same because I am more likely to hug my partner than Bob (Thanks Dolly, you translated it from Gammonish for me).
I do give a f**k though about people I don't know though, as do most folk to be honest, and that extends to animals in my case. And that's why Vaughan is evidently upset. The realisation one may be lacking in basic empathy is a bitter pill to swallow.
I hope you make peace with your demons Vaughan. | |
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