| Kurt Zouma and cats 14:11 - Feb 9 with 10346 views | homer_123 |
I'm posting this more out of interest as much as anything.
What he did was wrong and I've no idea why it was videoed etc. just bizarre.
That being said - I eat meat as do those pillorying him - we rear animals to slaughter, in fact we rear them on such a scale that is has devastating effects on the environment.
I find it interesting that, on the one hand, electrocuting and/or putting a bolt through an animals head and killing it doesn't seem to raise the same concern/outrage as the events of yesterday.
I wonder why that is? |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 17:53 - Feb 9 with 899 views | positivity |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 17:50 - Feb 9 by monytowbray |
I did not say a human life born into suffering of less value. Nor an animals for that matter. Nothing I said is close to eugenics.
What I said was "Is a life born into suffering a life to be grateful for?" And that was in context to the point "you wouldn't "save" an animal by not eating it, it would never have existed in the first place."
It was more philosophical in relation to the curse of existence - A life of abuse and premature death is what it is, but it's certainly not justified to say "well at least they had a life" in defence of it. Although evidently something got lost in translation and I could have been clearer. |
fair enough, i was conflating the vegans care for animals the same as humans on to that statement, ta for the clarification |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:03 - Feb 9 with 877 views | monytowbray |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 17:44 - Feb 9 by Mullet |
I don’t eat packaged meat or burgers because I’m a snob who gets the best I can afford. I never said I would die, but given the choice you were presenting I choose meat every time like the rest of the natural world who has evolved to eat it. Efficiency of nutrition and quality affects my survival. Living miserably on soy blocks because of some pseudo spiritualism does not really help with the quality of my life.
If you want to be pedantic there, I’m happy to change the wording but it’ll not bode well for the rest of the car crash rebuttal you’ve cobbled together there.
I never said those foods were exclusively vegan, there’s plenty of processed sh1te too. Again you misunderstand the most basic of arguments from a factual and philosophical point of view, yet mix the two clumsily throughout the thread. The environmental impact of global supply chains and seasonal produce on demand to areas around the world is a massive blind spot you’ve failed to deal with.
I never said slaughterhouses were fun. Again you’re not presenting equivalence and arguing from bad faith sloppily. Neither are you willing to concede your lack of knowledge over your philosophical prejudices.
Your “harm reduction” is nonsense and no different to being selective in the same manner of those you are criticising. The harm is merely displaced but your misguided beliefs aren’t. It’s not about saving animals it’s about harming ones unseen further down the food chain.
Much if your argument is weak and delusional let alone impractical. Hence why you engaged with an Op that is philosophical and dealt with any resistance in such a cackhanded manner. Even this response of yours is selective and poorly put together with some Googling.
I never said that last bit was factual, it’s observational and borne out by real life experience. Not your hypothetical frame of reference. Again you’re arguing in bad faith from a place of ego and dogma.
Understanding that your want is not superior to others here will help you tremendously. As it is you’re showing why the standard advocacy for veganism is so destructive and flawed. |
Its evident you don't understand the word "survival" then and have just admitted it's a pleasure choice. Nutrition has nothing to do with it, there are plenty of people alive and thriving with veganism, including sports stars at the peak of their game.
Why you are dragging spiritualism into this I don't know. Projecting stereotypes I'd assume? I'm not a spiritual person.
"I never said those foods were exclusively vegan, there’s plenty of processed sh1te too. Again you misunderstand the most basic of arguments from a factual and philosophical point of view, yet mix the two clumsily throughout the thread. The environmental impact of global supply chains and seasonal produce on demand to areas around the world is a massive blind spot you’ve failed to deal with."
What are these blind spots? I think the issue you have here is global capitalism, not vegan diets. I can't rebuttal a point you haven't explained. And again, all supply chains aside a fully vegan world with the same supply chain now would STILL be better for the environment. That graph above is pretty easy to read.
"I never said slaughterhouses were fun. Again you’re not presenting equivalence and arguing from bad faith sloppily. Neither are you willing to concede your lack of knowledge over your philosophical prejudices. "
Then what was your point? It's fine because they are businesses? That because profit is the aim animals are fine? Hint is in the name of the building FFS.
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Your “harm reduction” is nonsense and no different to being selective in the same manner of those you are criticising. The harm is merely displaced but your misguided beliefs aren’t. It’s not about saving animals it’s about harming ones unseen further down the food chain."
The harm isn't displaced, it's literally reduced. Again, LOOK AT THE GRAPH FFS.
"Much if your argument is weak and delusional let alone impractical. Hence why you engaged with an Op that is philosophical and dealt with any resistance in such a cackhanded manner. Even this response of yours is selective and poorly put together with some Googling."
I didn't realise opinion and thought were separate from facts, in fact I thought you used facts to inform the latter. Again, look at the graph ffs.
"is you’re showing why the standard advocacy for veganism is so destructive and flawed. "
"I never said that last bit was factual, it’s observational and borne out by real life experience. Not your hypothetical frame of reference. Again you’re arguing in bad faith from a place of ego and dogma.
Understanding that your want is not superior to others here will help you tremendously. As it is you’re showing why the standard advocacy for veganism is so destructive and flawed"
LOOK AT THE GRAPH FFS. |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:04 - Feb 9 with 874 views | GavTWTD |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 17:26 - Feb 9 by jaykay |
as someone who eats meat everyday ,i cant see how you can a discussion without the person who has been pro vegan from day 1.
i looked at most threads on meat eaters and vegans from the start and i can see their is more posters questioned they intake of meat since we had these debates.
on a side note how do we tell when people are shouting and others aren't |
An indication of shouting is someone who responds to every reply in a thread. That's someone who is trying to monopolise the topic. |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:06 - Feb 9 with 860 views | monytowbray |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:04 - Feb 9 by GavTWTD |
An indication of shouting is someone who responds to every reply in a thread. That's someone who is trying to monopolise the topic. |
Anyone is welcome to post, sorry for being informed on the topic. | |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:08 - Feb 9 with 855 views | Mullet |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:03 - Feb 9 by monytowbray |
Its evident you don't understand the word "survival" then and have just admitted it's a pleasure choice. Nutrition has nothing to do with it, there are plenty of people alive and thriving with veganism, including sports stars at the peak of their game.
Why you are dragging spiritualism into this I don't know. Projecting stereotypes I'd assume? I'm not a spiritual person.
"I never said those foods were exclusively vegan, there’s plenty of processed sh1te too. Again you misunderstand the most basic of arguments from a factual and philosophical point of view, yet mix the two clumsily throughout the thread. The environmental impact of global supply chains and seasonal produce on demand to areas around the world is a massive blind spot you’ve failed to deal with."
What are these blind spots? I think the issue you have here is global capitalism, not vegan diets. I can't rebuttal a point you haven't explained. And again, all supply chains aside a fully vegan world with the same supply chain now would STILL be better for the environment. That graph above is pretty easy to read.
"I never said slaughterhouses were fun. Again you’re not presenting equivalence and arguing from bad faith sloppily. Neither are you willing to concede your lack of knowledge over your philosophical prejudices. "
Then what was your point? It's fine because they are businesses? That because profit is the aim animals are fine? Hint is in the name of the building FFS.
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Your “harm reduction” is nonsense and no different to being selective in the same manner of those you are criticising. The harm is merely displaced but your misguided beliefs aren’t. It’s not about saving animals it’s about harming ones unseen further down the food chain."
The harm isn't displaced, it's literally reduced. Again, LOOK AT THE GRAPH FFS.
"Much if your argument is weak and delusional let alone impractical. Hence why you engaged with an Op that is philosophical and dealt with any resistance in such a cackhanded manner. Even this response of yours is selective and poorly put together with some Googling."
I didn't realise opinion and thought were separate from facts, in fact I thought you used facts to inform the latter. Again, look at the graph ffs.
"is you’re showing why the standard advocacy for veganism is so destructive and flawed. "
"I never said that last bit was factual, it’s observational and borne out by real life experience. Not your hypothetical frame of reference. Again you’re arguing in bad faith from a place of ego and dogma.
Understanding that your want is not superior to others here will help you tremendously. As it is you’re showing why the standard advocacy for veganism is so destructive and flawed"
LOOK AT THE GRAPH FFS. |
Again you don’t read and you don’t understand the very basics of this dialogue. You’re again accusing others of projecting whilst doing nothing but that.
These are terrible arguments and even worse presentations of ideas you simply don’t grasp well enough. You even agree with me at certain points with things I raised in my very first response.
I think you need to go away and come back from this place of ego. You’ve made a hash of this completely to justify your own selfishness and choices. |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:10 - Feb 9 with 848 views | monytowbray |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:08 - Feb 9 by Mullet |
Again you don’t read and you don’t understand the very basics of this dialogue. You’re again accusing others of projecting whilst doing nothing but that.
These are terrible arguments and even worse presentations of ideas you simply don’t grasp well enough. You even agree with me at certain points with things I raised in my very first response.
I think you need to go away and come back from this place of ego. You’ve made a hash of this completely to justify your own selfishness and choices. |
LOOK AT THE GRAPH FFS.
It debunks your entire essay. Although it may help if you actually explained these supply chain issues that aren’t anything to do with veganism.
There’s f**k all left to add. | |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:26 - Feb 9 with 822 views | jeera |
My understanding is that in the interest of balance, I need to be making more of an effort to eat more cat and whenever I see a pig or a sheep I should, wherever feasible, run over over and give them a kick.
I'd never considered that angle before but if it keeps people happy. |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:31 - Feb 9 with 817 views | monytowbray |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:26 - Feb 9 by jeera |
My understanding is that in the interest of balance, I need to be making more of an effort to eat more cat and whenever I see a pig or a sheep I should, wherever feasible, run over over and give them a kick.
I'd never considered that angle before but if it keeps people happy. |
Or...
Do the exact opposite. | |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:32 - Feb 9 with 810 views | jeera |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:31 - Feb 9 by monytowbray |
Or...
Do the exact opposite. |
"Me, me.
It's all about me.
Please make it all about me". | |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:41 - Feb 9 with 793 views | monytowbray |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:32 - Feb 9 by jeera |
"Me, me.
It's all about me.
Please make it all about me". |
I think you have some real issues if you think anything I’ve said in this thread, let alone that reply, is about me. In fact all I’ve spoken about in this thread is the welfare of other beings.
Whatever helps you deflect facts and reality I guess.
Or are you projecting because from your perspective the only reason anyone promotes positive lifestyle change is for social capital as that’s why you do so? That again, would be a you issue. I can assure you my ego is dead and deflated. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 18:45]
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:46 - Feb 9 with 785 views | jaykay |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 17:49 - Feb 9 by GavTWTD |
Easy, because I'd like that discussion without being judged. I'd like to learn how I can make small changes that other meat eaters have tried. And I'm not talking about excluding all vegans from the discussions, just ones that aren't interested in listening to you. |
in that case their is one topic where it gets heated and is judged by both parties to the debate. even seen this board called anti-semitic. |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:51 - Feb 9 with 768 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:10 - Feb 9 by monytowbray |
LOOK AT THE GRAPH FFS.
It debunks your entire essay. Although it may help if you actually explained these supply chain issues that aren’t anything to do with veganism.
There’s f**k all left to add. |
Indeed, the graph does show that it is good for the environment for us to reduce red meat and cheese intake.
I am sure you are not really suggesting that we choose to live on only fruit, root vegetables and soya milk.
The issue over animal welfare is where we should be aware of the impact of intensive farming practices. However, death is a reality for all living creatures. Nature is far more cruel at the end for most than what should happen in UK farming practices. Of course, we also need to be wise to the fact that even in the UK this is not always perfect, as is also highlighted in cruelty cases such as the original Zouma incident.
I can see an argument for veganism but I think you could listen better to the fact that not everyone who chooses a non-vegan lifestyle is being hypocritical to anything like the extent you are suggesting. |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:54 - Feb 9 with 753 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:46 - Feb 9 by jaykay |
in that case their is one topic where it gets heated and is judged by both parties to the debate. even seen this board called anti-semitic. |
You really are a sh1t stirrer. And it's 'there' not 'their'. |  |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:01 - Feb 9 with 732 views | monytowbray |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:51 - Feb 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Indeed, the graph does show that it is good for the environment for us to reduce red meat and cheese intake.
I am sure you are not really suggesting that we choose to live on only fruit, root vegetables and soya milk.
The issue over animal welfare is where we should be aware of the impact of intensive farming practices. However, death is a reality for all living creatures. Nature is far more cruel at the end for most than what should happen in UK farming practices. Of course, we also need to be wise to the fact that even in the UK this is not always perfect, as is also highlighted in cruelty cases such as the original Zouma incident.
I can see an argument for veganism but I think you could listen better to the fact that not everyone who chooses a non-vegan lifestyle is being hypocritical to anything like the extent you are suggesting. |
There is a lot of vegan food options out there, I probably eat a more varied diet than many meat eaters.
The only way to eat meat if to not give a sh1t about animals or accept a level of hypocrisy. The OP made this point and many other meat eaters have to.
That’s capitalism for you. I want to blow my brains out most days off the back of my purchasing decisions, f**k I’m typing this on an iPhone.
Acknowledgement is better than denial. | |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:01 - Feb 9 with 734 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:54 - Feb 9 by GlasgowBlue |
You really are a sh1t stirrer. And it's 'there' not 'their'. |
Do you reckon we can discuss flying cars, the evidence for Christianity, whether we should stop all immigration, Shefki vs Pablo, and whether Cook was given long enough in this thread too?
I reckon we could find something even more controversial too. | |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:03 - Feb 9 with 716 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:01 - Feb 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Do you reckon we can discuss flying cars, the evidence for Christianity, whether we should stop all immigration, Shefki vs Pablo, and whether Cook was given long enough in this thread too?
I reckon we could find something even more controversial too. |
And people who hate cheese. | |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:05 - Feb 9 with 709 views | leitrimblue |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:03 - Feb 9 by GlasgowBlue |
And people who hate cheese. |
Vegans hate cheese....  |  | | |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:06 - Feb 9 with 707 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:01 - Feb 9 by monytowbray |
There is a lot of vegan food options out there, I probably eat a more varied diet than many meat eaters.
The only way to eat meat if to not give a sh1t about animals or accept a level of hypocrisy. The OP made this point and many other meat eaters have to.
That’s capitalism for you. I want to blow my brains out most days off the back of my purchasing decisions, f**k I’m typing this on an iPhone.
Acknowledgement is better than denial. |
You were referencing a graph of environmental impact that limited it to those options. Otherwise fish at the very least and other dairy products are on the table ahead of most of the wide range of vegan options.
"The only way to eat meat if to not give a sh1t about animals or accept a level of hypocrisy." Is where I have just pointed out that you are wrong. Yes, there are points about intensive farming practices and sources with lower welfare thresholds but if you are saying killing animals is inherently cruel, you are stretching a point to fit your narrative. Death is an inevitability for all living things and natural death is usually far more cruel than that inflicted at a slaughter house.
Anyway, will leave my thoughts there because I already know your argument style does not involve rational response to points raised but rather the blunt sledgehammer approach that Gav has already raised with you here. | |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:13 - Feb 9 with 672 views | Vaughan8 |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 16:32 - Feb 9 by monytowbray |
Of course an animal you have no connection with will have less emotional attachment for you than one that does.
But pigs and chickens have the ability to fear, suffer and feel pain same as a cat or a dog.
There is not difference, other than the one habit and societal norms based in the general consciousness of the public has made you believe so you keep buying/eating meat. You see a chicken as less than a cat, yet they are both living creatures.
Literal example, as it may help - People get outraged by the Dog meat market in the Far East. Why? If you eat cows or pigs, it makes one a hypocrite for sure. That's pretty straight forward.
The drink driving point, if I was saying what I think you think I am saying, would be more along the lines of "So I shouldn't be able to care about animals dying because I eat animals", am I correct? If so, then my response is I'm not saying you aren't allowed to care, more you should question why you care more about one than that other, which is what I've explained in the above paragraph.
I don't know why you feel I'm being shirty. I'm not, this is me presenting a logical and factual response to your question and the OP. I'm genuinely trying to respond to what I think you are asking. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 16:37]
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So you would care more if one of your family died or got injured from drink driving than a person you don't know?
Because you drink, you can't have an opinion? You are funding the alcohol industry which means it continues which means that person drunk and injured someone?
So then you should question why you would drink then?
EDIT. Forget that question, on your basis, you should be treating all humans the same. They're animals. So you wouldn't have preferential treatment for family members over strangers?
The cat is like a family member. A chicken isn't.
Unfortunately there is a difference if you like it or not. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 19:30]
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:25 - Feb 9 with 639 views | MattinLondon |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 18:04 - Feb 9 by GavTWTD |
An indication of shouting is someone who responds to every reply in a thread. That's someone who is trying to monopolise the topic. |
Surly if posters ask Callis questions then he has the right to reply rather than being accused of monopolising a thread?
Personally I think that Callis has been given quite a hard time regarding this and the other thread. |  | | |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:33 - Feb 9 with 621 views | monytowbray |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:13 - Feb 9 by Vaughan8 |
So you would care more if one of your family died or got injured from drink driving than a person you don't know?
Because you drink, you can't have an opinion? You are funding the alcohol industry which means it continues which means that person drunk and injured someone?
So then you should question why you would drink then?
EDIT. Forget that question, on your basis, you should be treating all humans the same. They're animals. So you wouldn't have preferential treatment for family members over strangers?
The cat is like a family member. A chicken isn't.
Unfortunately there is a difference if you like it or not. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 19:30]
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I already confirmed yes, of course you’d be sadder with emotive connections. The point is that doesn’t give one the right to aid harm to others they don’t know.
I don’t drink, but drinking is not the same as drink driving so it’s a false comparison. Drink driving is a potential result of drinking and not a certain, whereas death in animal agriculture is a certain. Now if the comparison was a drink driver judging another drink driver, that would be hypocritical IMO, yes. Or, a drinker criticising someone else funding the booze industry, would also be hypocritical.
The part you need to question is why you feel a chicken is lesser than a cat based on societal norms. The point I’m making is they are the same, whether you have a personal attachment or not. A chicken feels pain and fear the same as a cat. The difference is in your mind. You are comparing a living conscious entity with a nervous system with the same. You are not comparing a cat with a brick or a a table lamp, which does not have consciousness or a nervous system.
So there is not a difference.
I wouldn’t want to kill anyone BTW. There is that choice in the matter at hand we are discussing too. You don’t have to eat the chicken. Or the cat for that matter. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 19:36]
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:42 - Feb 9 with 582 views | Vaughan8 |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:33 - Feb 9 by monytowbray |
I already confirmed yes, of course you’d be sadder with emotive connections. The point is that doesn’t give one the right to aid harm to others they don’t know.
I don’t drink, but drinking is not the same as drink driving so it’s a false comparison. Drink driving is a potential result of drinking and not a certain, whereas death in animal agriculture is a certain. Now if the comparison was a drink driver judging another drink driver, that would be hypocritical IMO, yes. Or, a drinker criticising someone else funding the booze industry, would also be hypocritical.
The part you need to question is why you feel a chicken is lesser than a cat based on societal norms. The point I’m making is they are the same, whether you have a personal attachment or not. A chicken feels pain and fear the same as a cat. The difference is in your mind. You are comparing a living conscious entity with a nervous system with the same. You are not comparing a cat with a brick or a a table lamp, which does not have consciousness or a nervous system.
So there is not a difference.
I wouldn’t want to kill anyone BTW. There is that choice in the matter at hand we are discussing too. You don’t have to eat the chicken. Or the cat for that matter. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 19:36]
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Ok if I rephrase the question,
If a murderer had to kill either your family member or an unknown stranger, would it be the same then?
If not then The part you need to question is why you feel a stranger is lesser than your family member.
The point I'm making is you have an attachment which I don't actually think you're understanding, so I'm trying to use examples. However like a politician, you are swerving the answers
I'll start you off on something else if you like, Adidas have dropped Zouma now. They'll be called hypocrites now..... [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 19:45]
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:48 - Feb 9 with 559 views | monytowbray |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:06 - Feb 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
You were referencing a graph of environmental impact that limited it to those options. Otherwise fish at the very least and other dairy products are on the table ahead of most of the wide range of vegan options.
"The only way to eat meat if to not give a sh1t about animals or accept a level of hypocrisy." Is where I have just pointed out that you are wrong. Yes, there are points about intensive farming practices and sources with lower welfare thresholds but if you are saying killing animals is inherently cruel, you are stretching a point to fit your narrative. Death is an inevitability for all living things and natural death is usually far more cruel than that inflicted at a slaughter house.
Anyway, will leave my thoughts there because I already know your argument style does not involve rational response to points raised but rather the blunt sledgehammer approach that Gav has already raised with you here. |
Vegetables are quite versatile though, you say “root vegetable” like it’s one thing.
Is killing animals not inherently cruel? Particularly in relation to other options being available? Death is inevitable, but it ending a life prematurely cannot be justified with such things. I don’t think it would have worked for Jeffrey Dahmer in court.
“I killed him and ate him your honour but he was gonna die eventually anyway and if I didn’t he could have died another worse way.”
Read it back and admit, it is a rather odd justification.
My points throughout have rationally responding to every single counterpoint made. Please don’t project the idea I’m ignorant because you do not like how the response makes you feel (that’s not on me) so it’s easier to claim I’m ignorant.
Gav can ban me if he likes, although I’ve done nothing worth a ban and others have been far more rude and abusive than I in this thread. | |
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:58 - Feb 9 with 524 views | monytowbray |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:42 - Feb 9 by Vaughan8 |
Ok if I rephrase the question,
If a murderer had to kill either your family member or an unknown stranger, would it be the same then?
If not then The part you need to question is why you feel a stranger is lesser than your family member.
The point I'm making is you have an attachment which I don't actually think you're understanding, so I'm trying to use examples. However like a politician, you are swerving the answers
I'll start you off on something else if you like, Adidas have dropped Zouma now. They'll be called hypocrites now..... [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 19:45]
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In the eyes of the law, yes. Personal attachment aside, which again is the point.
I’m not the one justifying or condoning the death of what you deem to he be lesser value beings. The question you ask if the exact one I’ve been asking you the entire time. I made that choice years ago and went vegan. I see animals as equal.
Adidas use sweatshops and are complete hypocrites to progress, correct.
Please do elaborate on what point you believe I’ve swerved. I am not aware of any question in this thread I have avoided. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 20:01]
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| Kurt Zouma and cats on 20:08 - Feb 9 with 496 views | Vaughan8 |
| Kurt Zouma and cats on 19:58 - Feb 9 by monytowbray |
In the eyes of the law, yes. Personal attachment aside, which again is the point.
I’m not the one justifying or condoning the death of what you deem to he be lesser value beings. The question you ask if the exact one I’ve been asking you the entire time. I made that choice years ago and went vegan. I see animals as equal.
Adidas use sweatshops and are complete hypocrites to progress, correct.
Please do elaborate on what point you believe I’ve swerved. I am not aware of any question in this thread I have avoided. [Post edited 9 Feb 2022 20:01]
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You don't see animals as equal though.
I'm guessing you love your family rather than Bob up the road?
That isn't equal.
Do you buy your family presents etc? Bet you don't buy Bob a present
You see what is happening though. You have an attachment to some "animals" more than others.
Some advice, don't shove your vegan views down people's necks and call the hypocrites. If you look at aspects of all of life, your going to be hypocritical in lots of things however small?
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