| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine 13:51 - Feb 27 with 5487 views | Mullet |
Hopefully this means something positive, but call me sceptical I can't imagine Putin is in the mood for reconciliation of any sort. |  |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:37 - Feb 27 with 1605 views | TJS |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:09 - Feb 27 by gtsb1966 |
And then what? If that was to happen Putin would then move on to the next country. Absolutely no way should the world bow down to that c***. |
My thought would be
1 Full withdrawal of Russian forces from all parts of Ukraine
2 Full withdrawal of Ukrainian forces to West of Dneiper
3 Ukraine east of the Dneiper is permanent demilitarised zone agreed by NATO and Russia |  | | |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:38 - Feb 27 with 1599 views | pointofblue |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:30 - Feb 27 by You_Bloo_Right |
Well I would be disappointed if any negotiation ends with a sovereign country giving away any of its rights.
Why does Putin have to come out of this with something he can even spin as "a result"? |
Because he has proven that he lost all sense of reason. He is not going to backdown, accept internatinal boundaries and announce a retreat. If Putin unconditionally loses it will be because of a military and/or public rebellion in Russia itself rather than directly via negotiations or Western sanctions. |  |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:41 - Feb 27 with 1578 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:32 - Feb 27 by ZXBlue |
Because, realistically, that is the only possible way to talk him down. Anything else endangers his position at home and makes him look weak. Wchih may well prompt him to further acts to show how big and tough he is... |
And so the show goes on.
I appreciate that nuclear armageddon is a major concern but if Ukraine needs to somehow compromise then so does Putin.
Yes my asking for his resignation was fanciful of course but what does Ukraine get in return for any "backward" step? |  |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:41 - Feb 27 with 1576 views | jeera |
Yes I read this earlier for myself as I was curious why all of a sudden (for us) people were using a different spelling. I did note someone mentioned it the other day on here but I didn't really understand as they said one was the Russian version and the other the Ukrainian.
As neither share our alphabet this made no sense to me but that was simply my ignorance and lack of understanding. It is more to do with how it is translated [included in the article and not my own work].
If Ukraine wishes for me to call Kyiv by Kyiv then respectfully I shall comply. It's not for me to argue.
Since circa 2019 apparently:
"In June 2019, at the request of the United States Department of State, the Embassy of Ukraine to the United States, and Ukrainian organisations in America, the name Kyiv was officially adopted by the United States Board on Geographic Names as the only correct one, which resulted in the federal government of the United States solely using 'Kyiv'.[7][25][26]" |  |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:42 - Feb 27 with 1568 views | ZXBlue |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:41 - Feb 27 by You_Bloo_Right |
And so the show goes on.
I appreciate that nuclear armageddon is a major concern but if Ukraine needs to somehow compromise then so does Putin.
Yes my asking for his resignation was fanciful of course but what does Ukraine get in return for any "backward" step? |
The thing with negotiations, is you have ot look at the big picture. Its not about what is fair or what is right, very often. Its about the reality of a situation. | | | |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:46 - Feb 27 with 1540 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:42 - Feb 27 by ZXBlue |
The thing with negotiations, is you have ot look at the big picture. Its not about what is fair or what is right, very often. Its about the reality of a situation. |
Understood. So in that case, before during and after negotiations take place we should ramp up sanctions. | |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:52 - Feb 27 with 1497 views | gtsb1966 |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:42 - Feb 27 by ZXBlue |
The thing with negotiations, is you have ot look at the big picture. Its not about what is fair or what is right, very often. Its about the reality of a situation. |
Good point and I believe (hoping) that the politicians and military leaders are beginning to think they are on a path of self destruction. There are no winners in war and Russia will come out as the biggest losers. I actually think and hope this could be the end of Putin. |  | | |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:54 - Feb 27 with 1479 views | BloomBlue |
Trouble is can the Ukrainians trust Russia keeping it's part of any deal? Putin hasn't been honest yet at any stage in this conflict, can they trust him to keep his side of any deal. He's just as likely to agree to something and go back on it after 4 weeks. |  | | |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 18:06 - Feb 27 with 1443 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:54 - Feb 27 by BloomBlue |
Trouble is can the Ukrainians trust Russia keeping it's part of any deal? Putin hasn't been honest yet at any stage in this conflict, can they trust him to keep his side of any deal. He's just as likely to agree to something and go back on it after 4 weeks. |
Putin has had a shock this week. Lost a lot of troops and weaponry. He though the Ukrainians would roll over.
I would imagine he's looking for a way out. |  |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 18:06 - Feb 27 with 1448 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:54 - Feb 27 by BloomBlue |
Trouble is can the Ukrainians trust Russia keeping it's part of any deal? Putin hasn't been honest yet at any stage in this conflict, can they trust him to keep his side of any deal. He's just as likely to agree to something and go back on it after 4 weeks. |
And in the USA, you’ve got the Republicans literally waving flags of support for Putin.
This was at Trump’s speech last night
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 18:10 - Feb 27 with 1426 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 17:54 - Feb 27 by BloomBlue |
Trouble is can the Ukrainians trust Russia keeping it's part of any deal? Putin hasn't been honest yet at any stage in this conflict, can they trust him to keep his side of any deal. He's just as likely to agree to something and go back on it after 4 weeks. |
He's a 100% mentalist and although it's dangerous to push him with a stick this might be the best chance we have to oust the Mother*****
........He won't stop
****typed from the safety of my sofa I agree. |  |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 18:14 - Feb 27 with 1393 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 18:06 - Feb 27 by ElderGrizzly |
And in the USA, you’ve got the Republicans literally waving flags of support for Putin.
This was at Trump’s speech last night
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They were pranked by 'liberals".
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna725496 | |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 18:55 - Feb 27 with 1321 views | ElderGrizzly |
When your leader professes admiration for Putin’s invasion it’s hard to know isn’t it?
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 19:13 - Feb 27 with 1276 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 18:55 - Feb 27 by ElderGrizzly |
When your leader professes admiration for Putin’s invasion it’s hard to know isn’t it?
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Has the loon actually done this? I can't find a report. | |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 21:08 - Feb 27 with 1181 views | Lord_Lucan |
Ah, so what he said was Putin "made a “genius” move by declaring two regions of eastern Ukraine as independent states and moving Russian armed forces to them"
He's not that wrong is he, it was a very clever move.
Nothing to see really. | |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 21:10 - Feb 27 with 1166 views | jeera |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 21:08 - Feb 27 by Lord_Lucan |
Ah, so what he said was Putin "made a “genius” move by declaring two regions of eastern Ukraine as independent states and moving Russian armed forces to them"
He's not that wrong is he, it was a very clever move.
Nothing to see really. |
He then went on to suggest that's what the US should be doing with regards to Mexico. | |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 21:11 - Feb 27 with 1164 views | Swansea_Blue |
Talking about geniuses, nailed it:
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 21:16 - Feb 27 with 1126 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 21:10 - Feb 27 by jeera |
He then went on to suggest that's what the US should be doing with regards to Mexico. |
Did he? I'll check that out later.
He was wrong to publicly say what he did about a "Genius" move but he's not wrong really with what he said is he. He legitimatised it for many people by doing what he did. | |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 21:22 - Feb 27 with 1098 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 21:08 - Feb 27 by Lord_Lucan |
Ah, so what he said was Putin "made a “genius” move by declaring two regions of eastern Ukraine as independent states and moving Russian armed forces to them"
He's not that wrong is he, it was a very clever move.
Nothing to see really. |
Not really. He knew exactly what he was saying.
And doubled down on the invasion when challenged. As did his Fox News counterparts who said they supported Putin over Biden n Ukraine. | | | |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 21:27 - Feb 27 with 1083 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 13:57 - Feb 27 by J2BLUE |
Isn't this so he can say he tried before they bomb the sh1t out of Kyiv? |
With his own troops there still? Wouldn't that be even more of a PR disaster at home than it already is?
However, should he agree to withdraw ... We need to be very careful about what is agreed. If the news coming out of Ukraine and Russia at the moment is to be trusted and not simply propaganda, Putin is losing badly. No way should he be allowed to regain the upper hand. |  |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 21:51 - Feb 27 with 1037 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 21:27 - Feb 27 by Nthsuffolkblue |
With his own troops there still? Wouldn't that be even more of a PR disaster at home than it already is?
However, should he agree to withdraw ... We need to be very careful about what is agreed. If the news coming out of Ukraine and Russia at the moment is to be trusted and not simply propaganda, Putin is losing badly. No way should he be allowed to regain the upper hand. |
It' incredible how well Ukraine are doing*. They do have something to fight for though.
Obviously any loss of life is a tragedy. | |
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| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 22:18 - Feb 27 with 982 views | XYZ |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 21:16 - Feb 27 by Lord_Lucan |
Did he? I'll check that out later.
He was wrong to publicly say what he did about a "Genius" move but he's not wrong really with what he said is he. He legitimatised it for many people by doing what he did. |
You need to catch up with his backtracking.
Otherwise you're in danger of looking a bit stupid. | | | |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 22:48 - Feb 27 with 934 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 21:16 - Feb 27 by Lord_Lucan |
Did he? I'll check that out later.
He was wrong to publicly say what he did about a "Genius" move but he's not wrong really with what he said is he. He legitimatised it for many people by doing what he did. |
Wow!! |  | | |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 23:31 - Feb 27 with 884 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Sky reporting talks between Russia and Ukraine on 22:18 - Feb 27 by XYZ |
You need to catch up with his backtracking.
Otherwise you're in danger of looking a bit stupid. |
Why? I could care less about Trump and I don't have a habit of following him around or what he says - but I don't see what he said was wrong as it was indeed a very clever move by Putin, it's no different to saying that Hitlers Blitzkrieg was genius.
Unless I have missed something I don't see Trump saying that he thought it has led to a wonderful moment - I also don't think he should have said it publicly at this current time, but that doesn't mean he isn't correct - and myself agreeing that it was a clever move by Putin does not make me a Putin apologist - or Trump apologist.
Grow up. [Post edited 27 Feb 2022 23:34]
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