| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... 08:46 - Feb 28 with 7574 views | itfcjoe |
....and the support for Ukraine in bringing down Russia and it's economy.
Dragging the EU and the USA along with it.
The West feels very united on this, maybe the UK is finding it's place in the world a little bit post-Brexit - just a shame it is taking such horrible circumstances |  |
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| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 22:34 - Feb 28 with 2293 views | eireblue |
| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 22:24 - Feb 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Who credited the government? If you read my post I said the UK. That’s you, me and everyone who lives here.
But there is a reluctance to take pride in the UK or it’s achievements because we hate our government. Almost a fear that if we credit our country with something positive then we are crediting our government.
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The OP is about Government actions.
Seems to be plenty of support for U.K. things on TWTD.
Just need to check threads on what constitutes a proper breakfast.
Hardly any one suggests a warm croissant and espresso. |  | | |
| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 22:45 - Feb 28 with 2263 views | jaykay |
if this is true lucky old rees
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| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 23:18 - Feb 28 with 2225 views | unstableblue |
The UKs measure are window dressing, and our stance on taking refugees deplorable
I’ll let someone else explain:
Did you not get the memo that this is the worst cabinet in history? [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 0:48]
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| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 23:28 - Feb 28 with 2206 views | mutters |
| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 22:45 - Feb 28 by jaykay |
if this is true lucky old rees
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In fairness this has been building and building for a while now and anybody who isn't a complete looooonatic would have moved money out of Russia.
I had some exposure to Russia via a fund which I sold two weeks ago due to th uncertainty and I am certainly not financial genius! |  |
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| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 01:10 - Mar 1 with 2155 views | jeera |
| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 23:28 - Feb 28 by mutters |
In fairness this has been building and building for a while now and anybody who isn't a complete looooonatic would have moved money out of Russia.
I had some exposure to Russia via a fund which I sold two weeks ago due to th uncertainty and I am certainly not financial genius! |
Surely the point is why our MPs have money invested in this way in the first place.
And how JRM also managed to move company funds into the EU just prior to Brexit too, that kind of thing, whilst being a prominent Leave campaigner.
I realise this means in some quarters I somehow hate my country or something equally weird. |  |
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| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 06:41 - Mar 1 with 2099 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 23:18 - Feb 28 by unstableblue |
The UKs measure are window dressing, and our stance on taking refugees deplorable
I’ll let someone else explain:
Did you not get the memo that this is the worst cabinet in history? [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 0:48]
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Our record on taking in refugees has been dreadful since 2010. The rhetoric is never matched b6 actions. |  |
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| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 07:18 - Mar 1 with 2078 views | itfcjoe |
| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 23:18 - Feb 28 by unstableblue |
The UKs measure are window dressing, and our stance on taking refugees deplorable
I’ll let someone else explain:
Did you not get the memo that this is the worst cabinet in history? [Post edited 1 Mar 2022 0:48]
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| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 07:46 - Mar 1 with 2037 views | Steve_M |
| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 22:45 - Feb 28 by jaykay |
if this is true lucky old rees
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It was earlier than that they were sold and exiting Russian positions didn't take inside knowledge.
Whether a government minister should be in such an industry in his 'spare time' is another matter. |  |
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| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 23:04 - Mar 8 with 1855 views | RKD |
It really is a shame that even under these circumstances our elected government can't show suitable compassion or support for those in most need. Johnson really does make you feel ashamed to British at times. |  |
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| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 23:14 - Mar 8 with 1828 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 23:04 - Mar 8 by RKD |
It really is a shame that even under these circumstances our elected government can't show suitable compassion or support for those in most need. Johnson really does make you feel ashamed to British at times. |
Cannot understand why, if they are fearful non Ukrainians finding a way to get a Visa and a way across the Channel, we want to set up a facility in Lille. Surely we should be looking to issue Visas in Poland and providing free transport to UK. Our government lacks compassion. |  |
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| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 23:26 - Mar 8 with 1812 views | RKD |
| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 23:14 - Mar 8 by Pinewoodblue |
Cannot understand why, if they are fearful non Ukrainians finding a way to get a Visa and a way across the Channel, we want to set up a facility in Lille. Surely we should be looking to issue Visas in Poland and providing free transport to UK. Our government lacks compassion. |
The lies and shirking of responsibility by both Truss and Patel have been painful to watch. I was actually quite impressed initially by the quick reaction the government had, but inevitably they have shown their true colours. | |
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| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 23:30 - Mar 8 with 1784 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 07:18 - Mar 1 by itfcjoe |
That doesn’t mean everything they do is wrong |
Have another read of the post on Twitter.
A stopped clock is right twice a day.
You & GB are simply apologists for this pathetic disgrace of a government full of liars, cheats and fraudsters and are apart of the problem.
They are the worst and most corrupt government in my 55 year old lifetime by a country mile. |  | | |
| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 23:36 - Mar 8 with 1766 views | RKD |
| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 23:30 - Mar 8 by BLUEGOLD |
Have another read of the post on Twitter.
A stopped clock is right twice a day.
You & GB are simply apologists for this pathetic disgrace of a government full of liars, cheats and fraudsters and are apart of the problem.
They are the worst and most corrupt government in my 55 year old lifetime by a country mile. |
I'm one of the biggest critics of this government you will find and I agree with your final statement, however I don't think Joe or GB can be called apologists. From what I have seen they have been fairly critical of them in the past couple of years, with particular praise to GB and his integrity due to his lengthy allegiance to the Conservative party.
If we show blind loyalty to our given party's MP's whilst refusing to acknowledge any good doing by our rivals, there is no progress. Even our own Tom Hunt, one of politics most notorious d1cks, clamped down on pet theft in Ipswich. | |
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| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 23:50 - Mar 8 with 1722 views | BLUEGOLD |
| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 23:36 - Mar 8 by RKD |
I'm one of the biggest critics of this government you will find and I agree with your final statement, however I don't think Joe or GB can be called apologists. From what I have seen they have been fairly critical of them in the past couple of years, with particular praise to GB and his integrity due to his lengthy allegiance to the Conservative party.
If we show blind loyalty to our given party's MP's whilst refusing to acknowledge any good doing by our rivals, there is no progress. Even our own Tom Hunt, one of politics most notorious d1cks, clamped down on pet theft in Ipswich. |
I’m sorry, but I disagree particularly with your GB comments.
He appears to defend the Tories on most threads that I see and comment on, although I accept I’m not on here as much as I used to be.
As for me, I’m no fan of the Tories, but was very vocal in my support of things like the furlough scheme.
The humanitarian problem is the big thing at the moment and our response has been pathetic.
See also the initial sanctions, bearing in mind the amount of Russian money there is in London, which has been their preferred destination, it’s looked like a case of giving them time to move it away before any real sanctions bite. | | | |
| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 23:54 - Mar 8 with 1732 views | RKD |
| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 23:50 - Mar 8 by BLUEGOLD |
I’m sorry, but I disagree particularly with your GB comments.
He appears to defend the Tories on most threads that I see and comment on, although I accept I’m not on here as much as I used to be.
As for me, I’m no fan of the Tories, but was very vocal in my support of things like the furlough scheme.
The humanitarian problem is the big thing at the moment and our response has been pathetic.
See also the initial sanctions, bearing in mind the amount of Russian money there is in London, which has been their preferred destination, it’s looked like a case of giving them time to move it away before any real sanctions bite. |
I agree with all of those points on the Tories. I'm not on here half as much as I used to be so I could be wrong, but most of the posts I have seen from GB the last two years have been him expressing his disappointment in them. | |
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| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 09:09 - Mar 9 with 1608 views | itfcjoe |
| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 23:26 - Mar 8 by RKD |
The lies and shirking of responsibility by both Truss and Patel have been painful to watch. I was actually quite impressed initially by the quick reaction the government had, but inevitably they have shown their true colours. |
Yep, it's just an aversion to immigration that they dress up in other language like 'points based schemes' etc and still claiming to want just the right immigration etc - but it's bo11ocks. They don't want any immigration, and never have done, whatever the reason.
It's an embarrassment and totally misreads the mood of the country in my view | |
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| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 09:18 - Mar 9 with 1597 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 23:36 - Mar 8 by RKD |
I'm one of the biggest critics of this government you will find and I agree with your final statement, however I don't think Joe or GB can be called apologists. From what I have seen they have been fairly critical of them in the past couple of years, with particular praise to GB and his integrity due to his lengthy allegiance to the Conservative party.
If we show blind loyalty to our given party's MP's whilst refusing to acknowledge any good doing by our rivals, there is no progress. Even our own Tom Hunt, one of politics most notorious d1cks, clamped down on pet theft in Ipswich. |
It’s about balance isn’t it!
The government has been good at things you would expect a Tory government to be good at. The UK were the first to get arms and military support to Ukraine. The UK was pushing other European countries and the US to suspend Russia from Swift.
Johnson and Zelenskyy are in daily contact and Zelenskyy considers Johnson his most supportive ally. It’s no coincidence that Zelenskyy chose to make his address to the UK Parliament yesterday. I’d also say well done to Johnson fir being the only leader of a NATO country to take the time to visit NATO states in Poland and Estonia.
I agree with you that there is no benefit in having blind partisan views and refuse to acknowledge any good by the people we would normally oppose politically.
Where the government have been bad is in the areas you would expect a Tory government to be bad at. Especially this Tory government.
The woeful lack of response to the refugee crises is a prime example. After a decade or more of open hostility to immigration, we have made it near impossible for refugees to find safe passage to the UK. Even if the government had the will to take in hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees, the culture of hostility has ensured that the infrastructure simply does not exist. Patel’s anti refugee bill remains on the table and should be opposed.
All of the above doesn’t change the facts that Johnson is an appalling human being, a disaster as Prime Minister and has one of the worst and most sycophantic cabinets in history. It’s a government and party that is morally bankrupt and needs a generation in opposition in order to work out what it stands for and who it should appeal to.
If that’s Tory apologism then I’m not doing a very good job on behalf if the government. [Post edited 9 Mar 2022 9:29]
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| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 18:33 - Mar 15 with 1508 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Joe you seem to be living in a parallel universe on 09:18 - Mar 9 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s about balance isn’t it!
The government has been good at things you would expect a Tory government to be good at. The UK were the first to get arms and military support to Ukraine. The UK was pushing other European countries and the US to suspend Russia from Swift.
Johnson and Zelenskyy are in daily contact and Zelenskyy considers Johnson his most supportive ally. It’s no coincidence that Zelenskyy chose to make his address to the UK Parliament yesterday. I’d also say well done to Johnson fir being the only leader of a NATO country to take the time to visit NATO states in Poland and Estonia.
I agree with you that there is no benefit in having blind partisan views and refuse to acknowledge any good by the people we would normally oppose politically.
Where the government have been bad is in the areas you would expect a Tory government to be bad at. Especially this Tory government.
The woeful lack of response to the refugee crises is a prime example. After a decade or more of open hostility to immigration, we have made it near impossible for refugees to find safe passage to the UK. Even if the government had the will to take in hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees, the culture of hostility has ensured that the infrastructure simply does not exist. Patel’s anti refugee bill remains on the table and should be opposed.
All of the above doesn’t change the facts that Johnson is an appalling human being, a disaster as Prime Minister and has one of the worst and most sycophantic cabinets in history. It’s a government and party that is morally bankrupt and needs a generation in opposition in order to work out what it stands for and who it should appeal to.
If that’s Tory apologism then I’m not doing a very good job on behalf if the government. [Post edited 9 Mar 2022 9:29]
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| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 19:13 - Mar 15 with 1446 views | Swansea_Blue |
Triple counting certainly helps get our figures up!
“For example, if you go to the UK sanctions site ( https://sanctionssearchapp.ofsi.hmtreasury.gov.uk/) to see how many entries are listed under the Russia list, you will see that there are over 770 results (as of 6 March). This is the UK government incorrectly presenting data. The UK actually has about 260 sanctions against Russia, but the UK’s search site lists every alias as a unique entry (e.g. there are six entries for Sergey Vadimovich Abisov, even though he is covered by only one sanction).“ |  |
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| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 19:40 - Mar 15 with 1417 views | longtimefan |
| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 19:13 - Mar 15 by Swansea_Blue |
Triple counting certainly helps get our figures up!
“For example, if you go to the UK sanctions site ( https://sanctionssearchapp.ofsi.hmtreasury.gov.uk/) to see how many entries are listed under the Russia list, you will see that there are over 770 results (as of 6 March). This is the UK government incorrectly presenting data. The UK actually has about 260 sanctions against Russia, but the UK’s search site lists every alias as a unique entry (e.g. there are six entries for Sergey Vadimovich Abisov, even though he is covered by only one sanction).“ |
I was presuming that the data they were presenting was after the cleaning and enrichment they mention. “keep in mind that government source data must be cleaned and enriched.” Surely they’re not stating this and then just presenting raw data? Looking at the source there are now 1742 sanctions listed on individuals compared to the the 787 presented in the Castellum.Ai figures, so I think my assumption is fair. [Post edited 15 Mar 2022 20:52]
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 22:54 - Mar 15 with 1337 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 19:40 - Mar 15 by longtimefan |
I was presuming that the data they were presenting was after the cleaning and enrichment they mention. “keep in mind that government source data must be cleaned and enriched.” Surely they’re not stating this and then just presenting raw data? Looking at the source there are now 1742 sanctions listed on individuals compared to the the 787 presented in the Castellum.Ai figures, so I think my assumption is fair. [Post edited 15 Mar 2022 20:52]
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It is great that the UK government have pushed ahead with more sanctions on Russia. Unfortunately this has only been since Monday and the delay has allowed a lot of funds escape. The FT has a good article on how easy it is to bypass these sanctions.
https://www.ft.com/content/a1b68eea-408d-43b0-ba4d-5b0c2c3ba195
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| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 23:19 - Mar 15 with 1325 views | Cafe_Newman |
| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 10:45 - Feb 28 by clive_baker |
I think it's a little easier for us to say that, than Germany to be fair. I read that 55% of our gas comes from Norway, so we're much less dependant on Russia, while 70% of Germany's is from Russia. I'm not disputing your initial point, but the circumstances are slightly different for the UK and Germany. It's encouraging to see 'the West' uniting in this though, it's really not going to plan for Putin and Russia and while there's still plenty in their armoury to take Ukraine should they so wish, they are seemingly getting a bloody nose in the process thanks to the courage of the people of Ukraine. Often all it takes to unite people is a common enemy, perhaps Putin represents that and any positive coming out of it might be more collaboration moving forward after what has been an unstable era in Western politics. Let's hope things don't escalate too much before that, Putin is utterly unpredictable and needs to be toppled. |
I think Germany's gas is closer to 40% Russian, anyway you're right in that its not easy for Germany to go without Russian gas.
France with about 30% Russian gas have the luxury of nuclear power and are therefore less dependent.
The Germans have gone big on "green" energy, but its pricey and not enough to power a country the size of Germany.
If Russia responds to German sanctions by cutting of Nord Stream 1 gas, it will be crippling for the German economy and for the EU as a whole.
The touted alternative is fracking derived LNG delivered via ship from the US, which if the Germans are true to their commitment to greener energy they shouln't take - if they do, it would be a massive betrayal of their eco-principles.
I don't think Putin is unpredictable in the slightest - disinformation on the other hand will make him appear to be.
Putin won't stop in Ukraine until his demands are met. I don't see anything courageous in Ukrainians fighting to the last man. What good is a country without a generation of young men - its suicide.
NATO can't join in this war because it plays into Putin's hands about NATO being in Ukraine.And NATO arming Ukraine just encourages Ukraine to fight to the last man.
Its a really ugly situation all round and its the Ukrainians who are taking the brunt of the suffering, they are being slaughtered and that will go on, and the longer it goes on, the sooner Europe becomes a basket case because Russia will likely cut off its gas in response to the sanctions being imposed on it.
I don't expect this post to be too popular, but that's my take on the situation.
The world really sucks at the moment and I really feel for the Ukrainians who I think are the victims of a proxy war. |  | | |
| Sounds like the UK are really leading the way on sanctions.... on 08:22 - Mar 16 with 1241 views | MalcolmBlue |
Sorry to disagree Joe but the EU are by far leading the way on this, last week they agreed that anyone fleeing Ukraine could live, work/ study anywhere in the EU for three years without a visa. Essentially they have de facto EU citizenship and I’m sure that when they are settled they will be able to extend the three years through visas and then citizenship (if that’s the route they want to take).
It’s really not a contest anyway as the only thing that matters is the people’s safety fleeing a war zone. But Poland alone have taken in millions of refugees, the UK is a mere fraction of that in comparison. |  |
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